Talk:John-117/Archive 5
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390 POUNDS!? Bullshit. Somebody edit this. I would edit it myself, but I fear the edit would be unmade. -Kluutak 19:20, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
PS: CHanged it to 250, seems like a regular weight. If some spammer reverts it to 390 I will rever it back and contact the admins. You have been warned.
- 250 pounds? Seems like a regular weight? By god, if you don't know the weight, don't put it in! UNSC Las Vegas File:Mac.jpg|50px]] Orders/Parking tickets/The letters from the Admiral, regarding regarding the Admiral's Daughter Maintenance Records/Insurance details
- I think he is talking about average SPARTAN weight for SPARTAN Super Soldiers. Due to their ceramic ossification implants, it is likely they are about 70 pounds heavier than an average Human. Three-hundred-ninety is a little much though, that is more than a Sangheili, which have overall more strength and body mass than a SPARTAN.
- SPARTAN-IIs weigh quite heavy because of their augmentations, as stated above. 250 lbs is actually quite a regular weight for a Spartan.Rollersox 02:44, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
- In The Fall of Reach, John's canonical unarmored weight is stated.
- "It was hard to mistake the Master Chief for anything other than a Spartan. He stood just over two meters tall and weighed in at 130 kilos of rock-hard muscle and iron-dense bone." - Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 217 (in my edition, anyway)
- This translates to roughly 286 lbs. Spartans are big, yo. I'll cite it and put it on the page. Zita 21:53, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
- He doesn't...look...285 pounds. Hell, Carter is bigger than him and he's only 250. It is possible this was a typo -- however I guess it stays until the author says otherwise. He has a really thin waist though, he looks really skinny, like 240. --Kluutak 19:44, 24 November 2010 (EST)
- The halo 3 limited edition bestiarium notes that a Spartan is 179 kilos. iamapersonguy 25/7/2011
- 179 kilos is an absurd weight assertion, he doesn't have nearly enough body mass to support all of that weight and walk normally. The ground would probably creak every time he walked, remember that MJOLNIR armor, once activated, is nearly weightless. --Kluutak 17:34, 16 February 2012 (EST)
179 kg is his weight in underamor, I think we should replace the "without augmentations" with the underamor weight.87.97.96.134 07:19, 3 August 2012 (EDT)subjani
- From an earlier quote of mine on this talk page pertaining to his unaugmented weight:
- I personally think 286 is a good weight, when including his augmentations - although his biological weight, if his bones were of normal composition and not alloy, would probably be closer to 230-240 pounds, I think the weights of Noble Team given are excluding these proportions as well. When including the ceramic ossification procedures I am sure Carter would probably weigh close to Chief's weight of 280 pounds if we were including the ceramic augmentations. The data I got this number from is Fall of Reach, it is stated the carbide-ceramic ossification procedure is not to exceed 3% of total bone mass. The skeleton weighs roughly 40% of your total body weight, seeing as John-117 is 286 pounds, his skeletal weight would be 114.4 pounds. 286 x .40 x .03 you get 3.43 pounds. There are 206 bones in the adult human body so 3.43 x 206 = 706.99. The procedure is not to exceed 3 percent of the total final skeletal mass so 706.99 x .03 = 21.21. Subtract that from 286 to get 265 pounds, his biological weight, which is what I assume has been brought forth for Noble Team, their biological weight, Jorge's being 320, fully augmented his weight is probably closer to 350. --Kluutak 12:34, 29 September 2012 (EDT)
- From an earlier quote of mine on this talk page pertaining to his unaugmented weight:
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When did he get Mk VI armor. In the books I own, it never states when. It seems like he should've just had Mk V armor through all the games. - Echoes image: SpecHarness.jpg | 50px High Resolution Poor Quality 20:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
- He got it in Halo 2, which is after his appearances in the books. You should play the games as well to get an accurate view on the storyline.-- Forerunner 20:43, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
- He can't have Mk V, it's an old version and things change so it would be dangerous to where a helmet that they no longer support. It doesn't function as well as the latest version.RvBrocks1 18:26, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
I know he got it in Halo 2, but it never states when. It makes a spiratic change from Mk V to VI. - Cprl. Echo 1 image: SpecHarness.jpg | 28px High Resolution Poor Quality 18:03, July 20, 2010 (UTC) PS: how do you get the Mk V helmet in Halo 3?
- 20 October 2552. It outright tells you on the FIRST LEVEL what day it is.-- Forerunner 18:29, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
- "Came from Songnam this morning." -TheLostJedi 15:04, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
Promotion?
Is there any information on when he was promoted the Master Chief? VadersFist666 04:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
- All we know is that he was definitely an MCPO by 2544, during the events of The Package. Nothing has ever stated exactly when his promotion to Master Chief occured, however. --"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson 04:30, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
- thanks VadersFist666 04:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
- He was also referred to as "Master Chief" on page 8 of The Fall of Reach (at least the original version), during the Battle of Jericho VII, which means he held the rank of Master Chief in 2535. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
- We may find out in the online series halo 4: forward unto dawn cause in the Official Full-length Trailer the young thomas lasky calls out "chief". not sure if this meant his rank was chief petty officer, senior chief petty officer or as we all know him master chief petty officer, also the time frame in which the online series is based in is 2526 so probably he gained it some time in between the book the fall of reach and forward unto dawn SPARTAN-225 03:27, 10 October 2012 (EDT)
- He was also referred to as "Master Chief" on page 8 of The Fall of Reach (at least the original version), during the Battle of Jericho VII, which means he held the rank of Master Chief in 2535. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:49, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Okay so he must of got the promotion to master chief in between the 27th of november 2525 and the mini series based in 2526, thats pretty fast for a promotion considering he was promoted to petty officer third class on september 12th 2525 before the assault on Eridanus Secundu SPARTAN-225 06:43, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
I'm fairly sure that John was still a Chief Petty Officer in 2535 (Jericho-VII event). He is repeatedly referred as "the Chief" in that chapter alone (except in one sentence) and the "Master Chief" in all other subsequent chapters. The only mention of the word "Master Chief" in that one sentence at the end of introductory chapter is most likely an error by the author (not sure if this has been changed in the definitive edition). — subtank 04:14, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
True true, during the prologue chapter he was referred to as "the chief" apart from once on page 9, you've got a point there. Grr 343 making this confusing, reminds me of bungie rewriting canon with the game halo reach SPARTAN-225 06:30, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
- @Subtank - Contrary to what I said earlier, John is consistently addressed as "Chief" is the Definitive Edition during the Battle of Jericho VII, hence implying that he was a CPO. I imagine that the extended cut of Forward Unto Dawn will be geared more toward hardcore fans rather than newcomers. That being the case, hopefully "Call me Master Chief," will become "Call me Chief," or something of the like. For that matter, maybe "Chief out," will be redubbed as "John out." --Courage never dies. 09:47, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
- Thanks for checking that bit. :) — subtank 10:18, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
Does anyone remember what his rank was during Raid on Camp New Hope?? SPARTAN-225 06:57, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
New Screenshot and Headquote
Yes? No? I think its been getting kind of old, and is relatively out of place as opposed to the rest of the pages. I personally think the page needs a quote by the Master Chief himself. Discuss. --Kluutak 13:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
- I think both the headquote and the infobox image (is this what you mean?) are the ideal ones for this article. --Odysseas-Spartan53 13:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
Personality Changes from Game to Game
I think there needs to be some description of how his personality is by game, for example, in Halo: Combat Evolved he's kind of a joker, but still serious about getting the job done, in Halo 2, he is even more serious and has even less of a sense of humor, whereas in Halo 3 he is completely serious and somewhat distraught, has a very "we've got a job to do here, quit screwing around" non-nonsense kind of attitude, sort of like Carter only less talkative. --Kluutak 09:44, 19 November 2010 (EST)
- It's the atmosphere of the games itself that makes him behave that way. Also, that's what you think of his personality and might not reflect what others think. Throughout the Trilogy, his personality has remained somewhat consistent, and changes based on the gravity of the situation.- 5əb'7aŋk(7alk) 10:45, 19 November 2010 (EST)
- Well realistically after all he's gone through surely he would've undergone some sort of psychological change after being separated from Cortana, watching his friends (family really) die before his own eyes, I'm sure he is somewhat damaged from it, I mean he doesn't show it but I'm sure the psychological damage is there. I'm not to sure he particularly likes his job either, or what he is. Not that I'd put this in the article or anything, but I'm just being realistic here --Kluutak 17:46, 20 November 2010 (EST)
- Not really. He would be able to cope with the losses after 27 years of actively serving as a SPARTAN soldier. He seems to be able to easily suppress those sadness/anger whenever he gets up close and personal with the Covenant, and it doesn't seem that he has stopped joking around and making friendly remarks (i.e. after the massive loss of Reach, John can still joke around with Cortana on Alpha Halo about her driving). It's consistent behaviour that he is able to cope with the loss... he's cool. ;) - 5əb'7aŋk(7alk) 18:48, 20 November 2010 (EST)
- Yeah I guess you're right, I guess thats why I like him so much, he's probably the friendliest character (to humans), I'd rather hang with him than a bunch of a**hole rowdy ODST that's for sure, lol. --Kluutak 09:08, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- However I would like to note that in The Flood after he finds Captain Keyes he sorta enters an 'autopilot' state of mind, now do you think it would be worth putting in there somewhere, that he has been trained to cope with the death of a friend or close ally by 'shutting down' his emotional side? -- Kluutak
Birth date
Where did the July 7th date come from? To my knowledge, his date of birth has never been revealed anywhere. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 13:43, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- That was my bad, there was some misinformation on b.net, somebody mistook bungie day as John's birthday, a friend of mine. Won't happen again. --Kluutak 15:14, 23 November 2010 (EST)
Transcript
Many levels in the Halo trilogy had John-117 named "Master Chief". Shouldn't we change it to John-117, as we didnt use "Chief Warrant Officer" with Jorge? —S331Talk • Contributions 01:55, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
Degree of humanity left...
What would you say the degree of humanity in his personality is? Would you say he has more of his humanity left than most of the other SPARTANS, or less...? Also, would you say the war might have changed him psychologically? It seems he is nearing the end of his sanity (just like Cortana) by the last two levels of Halo 3, but this is just a personal observation. --Kluutak 20:44, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
- Trust me he hasn't lost any of his humanity Forgive My English TALK TO ME BABY 23:21, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Read Halo Effect, and you'll see that he never had much humanity in him in the first place. Vegerot (talk) 07:40, 12 May 2011 (EDT)!!
- What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!
- What is human nature? Define it. Is it the ability to live a normal life? To live, and learn free of constraints? Most people don't have that luxury. Is it being purely, 100% biological Homo sapiens? Amputees would disagree. To me, humanity is a mental process and philosophy - our tenacity, our creativity, our urge to go out there and and do the impossible. Does this remind you of anyone?
- Halsey could have ground out any sense of individuality, any sense of self, to produce unquestioning killing machines. But she didn't. Persuasion really is the most powerful weapon, and she wields it well. Train a child from the age of six, subject him to brutal combat against rebels and Covenant, let him see comrades and fellow Spartans die beside him. And yet he still chooses to fight on. Sanity can be lost. Humanity cannot. -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 01:29, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
- Considering he felt something from the most vulnerable civilian to the simple soldier and Marine to his beloved SPARTAN comrades, John was a calm and consistent person throughout the war who didn't loose his cool or his humanity. High Command wouldn't allow a ruthless ass to operate as a senior non-commissioned officer. User:CommanderTony/Sig
- There is a point made in Palace Hotel when John sees the photo of himself, that despite all his Spartan upbringing and loss of his childhood memories he still considers himself to be human. True, Palace Hotel gave him a different personality than usual, but it's still a perfectly valid point, since there's no reason to view himself as different, just stronger. Especially during the war, when pride of "being human" was one of the strongest ideals enforced, he'd be just as sure to consider himself one of them so that he'd be right about defending them. Tuckerscreator(stalk) 09:45, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
Page Picture
The Picture for the page should be changed to his new appearance in Halo 4. —This unsigned comment was made by ArchedThunder (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Has his new appearance in Halo 4 even been released yet?? J1MMYP4Z 07 04:00, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
We do have an appearance of him in Halo 4, but to me it seems there isn't a good frame in the trailer we can use as an article image. So, I think, not yet. —S331 
(Talk • Contributions) 07:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)