Talk:UNSC frigate

Longswords?

It is assumed that Keyes' Longswords would have been destroyed outside of Earth. KillerCRS 02:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Does the frigate really include a squadron of Longswords? Seems far too small for those and at least 4 or 5 pelicans and an albatross. Plus wouldn't Keyes have used the longswords in the battles on Delta Halo? —This unsigned comment was made by 128.206.178.201 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Of coarse they have them, and she did use them in the battle of the ark. Remember the one that gets shot down? Also if you go near the crashed pelican it says "Flash two coming about" that is most likley a longsword. -Knife 26 February 17

Sure they are small but not that small any UNSC ship would look small compared to a Covenant ship.--Ryanngreenday 21:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm simply taking its compliment facts from Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo 2. Its credulity hasn't registered yet in my mind. cheers, RelentlessRecusant 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

In Halo: Fall of Reach the Frigate UNSC Commonwealth has at least one squadron of Longswords. Since most frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc are built to standard designs and specifications then it is reasonable to assume that at that point most frigates held longswords. If frigates are built to fufill specifications then the new frigates would also have the capacity to hold longswords. Also the fact that it specifically mentions that Destroyers have No single ships-that suggests to me that destroyers dont have single ships UNLIKE frigates. 81.76.51.222 23:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

There's a quote in the Halo 2 announcement trailer, "my frigates are Combat ineffective." should someone include that, or is it not enough?

The pelicans are stored behind those blue doors on the sides.--Malak

I was looking at this for reference for the Halo Wars game going on and I found this very helpful, I don't know who made this but thank you.--Omrifere 20:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

those airlocks on the side seem to small when you look at the size comparison showing a marine and a spartan for evan a pelican, and the frigate does not carry longswords not only becaus eit is to small but it is not listed on its equipment list from HBO. J!MMY8806 20:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

aswell as this the frigates used before had rotating sections the new ones that we have seen on the game use artifical gravity plating indicating that they are upgraded ships and not the same. J!MMY8806 20:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't these have two MAC guns? Look at the picture... the two MAC guns are in the front.

hey uhh that puts the fact up that that may be a destroyer "What those critics forgot that a UNSC Destoyer sported 2 MAC guns, 26 oversized Archer missile pods and 3 nuclear warheads. Only seven meters longer than a frigate. (note the) No single ship fighters. Almost as heavy than 2 frigates combined mass"

I think it's logical to assume that there are multiple Frigate classes, as the term Frigate is used to describe ships of a certain tonnage and role. For instance, the UNSC Commonwealth might have been built with larger but fewer bays dedicated to storing Longswords whilst the UNSC In Amber Clad was built with more hanger bays dedicated to Pelicans, though smaller in size.

The only time in game that gives reason to believe frigates have longwords is in Halo 3 when a longsword crashed on H3:The Ark. Halo 2 frigates gave no evidence of carrying Longswords. What if instead of frigates, the sanghelian ships were reinforced with UNSC Longswords to add as much strength as possible for the obviously uneven naval combat that would commence once the humans/elites emerge from the portal. As for the Commonwealth, perhaps the Longswords were carried externally, or it was retrofitted for extra firepower for its obviously important mission and is not standard pattern.

That is possible, I recall Contact Harvest mentioning that ships not carrying SF drives of their own would hitch a ride on larger shipsDarkfire27983 02:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Given that the more capable UNSC Destroyers don't carry Longswords at all, it seems reasonable to think that Frigates don't either.

I posted a picture on the main Frigate page, comparing the size of a Longsword to The Foward Unto Dawn. They are too big, they is no place on a frigate for them. I hope this can end that debate.

We can only assume the Longwsords launch from the same place(the lower compartment at the base of the frigate) ground units are deployed from as we,ve also seen pelicans launch from there as well, the airlocks on the side of the forward hull of the frigate may only be used for cargo/personel transfer like in the start of Halo 2. DARKSTORM99 22:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

The UNSC frigate Gettysburg is stated on pg 275 of Halo: First Strike to have three Longsword fighters in its hanger bay. This means that a Frigate is in fact large enough to contain multiple Longswords. Molotovsniper 08:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The refrence said its repairing them in the launch bay, with exoskeletons on the ground. It doesnt specify that it can house them, or launch them for that matter. The simple matter is they are too large, if destroyers cant house them neither can frigates, which are smaller. [sniper T53] june 26th 2009

The point is that they can house them, the main launch bay is large enough to hold at least three of them and a 50m long chiroptera class vessel, with exoskeletons, people etc.

They are not much smaller. Frigates are only seven metres shorter.

Since destroyers have more than double the armour thickness and probably more cross-bracing then that means that frigates have more internal space. A 2525 frigate has a squadron of longswords and a 2552 frigate can hold them Molotovsniper 06:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

A serious look at the two ships will reveal that the hanger bay is too small for longswords, not too mention that they are not in the bay of the Gettysburg on page 275 of first strike, they are in the hanger bay of the Assualt carrier/capital ship ascendant justice. Halo 3 shows that a assualt carrier/capital is capable of housing an entire friage, that is the bay that is being described not the bay of the Gettysburg. Its in the chapter title.

The bay is that of the Gettysburg.

"Locklear wheeled the table into the Gettysburg's launch bay....three Longsword fighter craft were being repaired." Molotovsniper 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello all, just wanted to contribute my two cents, or one cent at least if it doesnt seem valuable to people. I have here a screenshot I took of the action occurring just as the Ark Portal was opening, and one of the Frigate is being pulled in toward it, with several longsword interceptors being pulled alongside it. From the perspective presented, the longswords appear to be just the right size for several of them to be posted aboard a frigate. You may choose to agree or disagree with me if you wish, but I believe that the In Amber Clad's dimensions from halo 2 should not be assumed to be identical to the dimensions of the Frigates in Halo 3. The same should go for the longswords, at least until someone is able to adequately anylize the in game models. Just putting in my 2 cents, heres the picture. Rimnek 015 05:53, March 11, 2010 (UTC) Longswords And Frigate

I'm a bit confused about if the frigate can or cannot hold Longswords. Because in one scene of the campaign they are easily small enough to fit inside(The ending cut scene for the Storm. But other times it's much too large(The crashed longsword on the Ark.) I don't think the crashed one is too scale correctly and may be an oversight by Bungie, while the ones that appear in the cut scenes are to scale. User talk:OniLink 1:32, July 29th, 2010 (UTC)

The longsword is 75m wide, the frigate is 151m wide, therefore 2 longswords are about as wide as a frigate, there is no way they fit INSIDE the frigate, however it is entirely possible that they piggyback on an external hatch. Warman45/HeadachyUpdator 22:08, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Actually they could fit inside considering the length of the Frigate is 478 m its entirely possible that maybe a few could fit inside the Frigate. Col. Snipes450 22:21, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would imagine a frigate could hold more than a few longswords if it holds them like the Seraphs are held in the Corvette (map). Darb 013 02:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

One must note that even the smallest Covenant vessels are far superior in design to anything the UNSC has. I personally highly doubt the presence of Longswords on a Frigate. We've seen their hangar bays, there's barely room for these things to take off. And even if they could fit some on board, the number would be ridiculously small. And I don't think the Frigate ever real was meant to serve the purpose of a cruiser or a carrier, both of which are more appropriate for fighter launches.Fire Eater 04:44, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

You don't need advanced technology to have a few longswords on a winch or cable system hanging from the ceiling, and I'm not saying a Frigate would carry whole squadrons of longswords (thats what a carrier is for), but a few longswords can't hurt. I think it's not a matter of if they can fit but its a matter of how many. Darb 013 05:15, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, also take into consideration how many Frigates are in the UNSC Navy, even if it's only 3-5 Longswords per Frigate, there is more than enough Frigates to bring a significant number of Longswords to an engagement.Col. Snipes450 23:37, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget the Aegis Fate. For all we know, it was the fate that had the Longswords on it.-- Forerunner 23:50, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

With the 3 frigates we have seen during the Covenant war, it is physically impossible for Longswords to fit inside them. I'm all for entertaining an external docking somehow, but they definitely cannot fit inside a frigate. Even a Pelican can't fit inside the hatches on the sides yet I see the article here indicates that is so. (Hell, the Pelicans clip their wings through the hull even dropping from Forward Unto Dawn in the Halo 3 cutscene.) I understand what they books say, but with the models that were used in game, this is an impossibility. Perhaps whatever class the Gettysburg is can accomplish this as it has to be larger than the frigates we've seen. ScaleMaster117 (talk) 09:30, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

2552?

How were Frigates introduced in 2552, but used in 2525 during the Battle of Chi Ceti? Guesty-Persony-Thingy 04:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It's the first time it was seen in action.

Cheers,

49 Proximal Secant^[oracle] 05:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

TFoR, Chapter Twelve. The Commonwealth and a small Covenant ship engaged in battle while the Spartans and Dr. Halsey descended to the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Cheti 4 to test project MJOLNIR. If that's not action, I don't know what is. Guesty-Persony-Thingy 06:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes they've been around longer then we're being lead to belive.--ryanngreenday 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Humanity did not have artificial gravity technology at the time of the Chi Ceti incident (they used centrifugal motion/spinning bits). The frigates seen in the games obviously do. Therefore, it is likely that the current class of frigate was introduced in 2552, and an older model was in use in 2525.

Known Frigates Template

Firstly, this article should either have a listing of known frigates, or the template. It shouldn't have both. Also, the template should have ships names in italics (not the UNSC part), as the list does. Manticore 11:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that. I'd rather have the bulleted list, but it's up to whoever changes it. ODST27 1:29, 13, February 2007 (UTC)

I think this article should have the list, and any actual frigate pages should have the template. Also, ODST27, you can sign your edits by just putting ~~~~, and it'll automatically put the UTC time for you, since you were using CST.... g^ue_st^y-p_er^so_ny-^th_in^gy^{I too am an AI... my owner's name is Supreme Honcho.} 01:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This article's layout....

...Is somewhat screwed. would anyone have the knowledge on how to fix it? Because it looks horrid.

What's wrong? Cheers, My Name is Helen ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Helen)} 02:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The Spacing, the template are all overlapped and not at the bottom, it's all weird.KillerCRS 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Destroyer pic

there the mac gun pic has 2 MAC guns in it can i remove it because of the fact that destroyers have 2 mac guns

MAC

this can not be the placeof the MAC as there is a hatch door located thier so unless you can think of a good reason to take a strole into a MAC barrel then this isnt the MAC J!MMY8806 16:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

internal maintenence.--Maiar 06:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

halcyon

it look nothing like the halcyon class cruise and definatly not a smaller version of the ship Ralok 13:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a different class of Frigate was being talked about? Honour Light Your Way - Kora ‘Morhek The Battle-Net My Conquests. 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Defences

On the Halo 3 level "The Ark," I can count three 50mm CIWS turrets - one on the Bridge, and two underneath. Does anyone have a different number? Honour Light Your Way - Kora ‘Morhek The Battle-Net My Conquests. 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

If you do the 'camera outside of Sandtrap' glitch, the you can count four 50mm guns in total; two on each side. I may have mi