Editing Talk:UNSC frigate

==Longswords?==
It is assumed that Keyes' [[Longsword]]s would have been destroyed outside of Earth. [[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 02:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Does the frigate really include a squadron of Longswords? Seems far too small for those and at least 4 or 5 pelicans and an albatross. Plus wouldn't Keyes have used the longswords in the battles on Delta Halo? {{unsigned|128.206.178.201}}

Of coarse they have them, and she did use them in the battle of the ark. Remember the one that gets shot down? Also if you go near the crashed pelican it says "Flash two coming about" that is most likley a longsword. -Knife 26 February 17

Sure they are small but not that small any UNSC ship would look small compared to a Covenant ship.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 21:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm simply taking its compliment facts from ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]'' and ''[[Halo 2]]''. Its credulity hasn't registered yet in my mind. cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''' 16:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

In Halo: Fall of Reach the Frigate UNSC Commonwealth has at least one squadron of Longswords. Since most frigates/destroyers/cruisers etc are built to standard designs and specifications then it is reasonable to assume that at that point most frigates held longswords. If frigates are built to fufill specifications then the new frigates would also have the capacity to hold longswords. Also the fact that it specifically mentions that Destroyers have No single ships-that suggests to me that destroyers dont have single ships UNLIKE frigates. [[Special:Contributions/81.76.51.222|81.76.51.222]] 23:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

There's a quote in the Halo 2 announcement trailer, "my frigates are Combat ineffective." should someone include that, or is it not enough?

The pelicans are stored behind those blue doors on the sides.--[[User:Malak|Malak]]

I was looking at this for reference for the Halo Wars game going on and I found this very helpful, I don't know who made this but thank you.--[[User:Omrifere|Omrifere]] 20:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

those airlocks on the side seem to small when you look at the size comparison showing a marine and a spartan for evan a pelican, and the frigate does not carry longswords not only becaus eit is to small but it is not listed on its equipment list from HBO. [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 20:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

aswell as this the frigates used before had rotating sections the new ones that we have seen on the game use artifical gravity plating indicating that they are upgraded ships and not the same. '''''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]]''''' 20:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)''

Don't these have two MAC guns? Look at the picture... the two MAC guns are in the front.

hey uhh that puts the fact up that that may be a destroyer "What those critics forgot that a UNSC Destoyer sported 2 MAC guns, 26 oversized Archer missile pods and 3 nuclear warheads. Only seven meters longer than a frigate. (note the) No single ship fighters. Almost as heavy than 2 frigates combined mass"

I think it's logical to assume that there are multiple Frigate classes, as the term Frigate is used to describe ships of a certain tonnage and role. For instance, the UNSC Commonwealth might have been built with larger but fewer bays dedicated to storing Longswords whilst the UNSC In Amber Clad was built with more hanger bays dedicated to Pelicans, though smaller in size.

The only time in game that gives reason to believe frigates have longwords is in Halo 3 when a longsword crashed on H3:The Ark. Halo 2 frigates gave no evidence of carrying Longswords. What if instead of frigates, the sanghelian ships were reinforced with UNSC Longswords to add as much strength as possible for the obviously uneven naval combat that would commence once the humans/elites emerge from the portal.
As for the Commonwealth, perhaps the Longswords were carried externally, or it was retrofitted for extra firepower for its obviously important mission and is not standard pattern.

That is possible, I recall Contact Harvest mentioning that ships not carrying SF drives of their own would hitch a ride on larger ships[[User:Darkfire27983|Darkfire27983]] 02:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Given that the more capable UNSC Destroyers don't carry Longswords at all, it seems reasonable to think that Frigates don't either.

I posted a picture on the main Frigate page, comparing the size of a Longsword to The Foward Unto Dawn. They are too big, they is no place on a frigate for them. I hope this can end that debate.

We can only assume the Longwsords launch from the same place(the lower compartment at the base of the frigate) ground units are deployed from as we,ve also seen pelicans launch from there as well, the airlocks on the side of the forward hull of the frigate may only be used for cargo/personel transfer like in the start of Halo 2. [[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 22:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


The UNSC frigate Gettysburg is stated on pg 275 of Halo: First Strike to have three Longsword fighters in its hanger bay. This means that a Frigate is in fact large enough to contain multiple Longswords. [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 08:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The refrence said its repairing them in the launch bay, with exoskeletons on the ground. It doesnt specify that it can house them, or launch them for that matter. The simple matter is they are too large, if destroyers cant house them neither can frigates, which are smaller. [sniper T53] june 26th 2009

The point is that they can house them, the main launch bay is large enough to hold at least three of them and a 50m long chiroptera class vessel, with exoskeletons, people etc.

They are not much smaller. Frigates are only seven metres shorter.

Since destroyers have more than double the armour thickness and probably more cross-bracing then that means that frigates have more internal space.
A 2525 frigate has a squadron of longswords and a 2552 frigate can hold them [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 06:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

A serious look at the two ships will reveal that the hanger bay is too small for longswords, not too mention that they are not in the bay of the Gettysburg on page 275 of first strike, they are in the hanger bay of the Assualt carrier/capital ship ascendant justice. Halo 3 shows that a assualt carrier/capital is capable of housing an entire friage, that is the bay that is being described not the bay of the Gettysburg. Its in the chapter title.


The bay ''is'' that of the Gettysburg.

"Locklear wheeled the table into the Gettysburg's ''launch'' bay....three Longsword fighter craft were being repaired." [[User talk:Molotovsniper|Molotovsniper]] 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello all, just wanted to contribute my two cents, or one cent at least if it doesnt seem valuable to people. I have here a screenshot I took of the action occurring just as the Ark Portal was opening, and one of the Frigate is being pulled in toward it, with several longsword interceptors being pulled alongside it. From the perspective presented, the longswords appear to be just the right size for several of them to be posted aboard a frigate. You may choose to agree or disagree with me if you wish, but I believe that the In Amber Clad's dimensions from halo 2 should not be assumed to be identical to the dimensions of the Frigates in Halo 3. The same should go for the longswords, at least until someone is able to adequately anylize the in game models. Just putting in my 2 cents, heres the picture. [[User talk:Rimnek 015|Rimnek 015]] 05:53, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Longswords And Frigate

I'm a bit confused about if the frigate can or cannot hold Longswords. Because in one scene of the campaign they are easily small enough to fit inside(The ending cut scene for the Storm. But other times it's much too large(The crashed longsword on the Ark.) I don't think the crashed one is too scale correctly and may be an oversight by Bungie, while the ones that appear in the cut scenes are to scale. [[User talk:OniLink]] 1:32, July 29th, 2010 (UTC)

The longsword is 75m wide, the frigate is 151m wide, therefore 2 longswords are about as wide as a frigate, there is no way they fit INSIDE the frigate, however it is entirely possible that they piggyback on an external hatch. [[Special:Contributions/99.230.117.142|Warman45/HeadachyUpdator]] 22:08, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Actually they could fit inside considering the length of the Frigate is 478 m its entirely possible that maybe a few could fit inside the Frigate. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 22:21, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would imagine a frigate could hold more than a few longswords if it holds them like the Seraphs are held in the [[Corvette (map)]]. [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 02:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

One must note that even the smallest Covenant vessels are far superior in design to anything the UNSC has. I personally highly doubt the presence of Longswords on a Frigate. We've seen their hangar bays, there's barely room for these things to take off. And even if they could fit some on board, the number would be ridiculously small. And I don't think the Frigate ever real was meant to serve the purpose of a cruiser or a carrier, both of which are more appropriate for fighter launches.[[User talk:Fire Eater|Fire Eater]] 04:44, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

You don't need advanced technology to have a few longswords on a winch or cable system hanging from the ceiling, and I'm not saying a Frigate would carry whole squadrons of longswords (thats what a carrier is for), but a few longswords can't hurt. I think it's not a matter of ''if'' they can fit but its a matter of ''how many''. [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 05:15, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, also take into consideration how many Frigates are in the UNSC Navy, even if it's only 3-5 Longswords per Frigate, there is more than enough Frigates to bring a significant number of Longswords to an engagement.[[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 23:37, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget the Aegis Fate. For all we know, it was the fate that had the Longswords on it.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 23:50, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

With the 3 frigates we have seen during the Covenant war, it is physically impossible for Longswords to fit inside them. I'm all for entertaining an external docking somehow, but they definitely cannot fit inside a frigate. Even a Pelican can't fit inside the hatches on the sides yet I see the article here indicates that is so. (Hell, the Pelicans clip their wings through the hull even dropping from ''Forward Unto Dawn'' in the Halo 3 cutscene.) I understand what they books say, but with the models that were used in game, this is an impossibility. Perhaps whatever class the ''Gettysburg'' is can accomplish this as it has to be larger than the frigates we've seen. [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 09:30, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

== 2552? ==

How were Frigates introduced in 2552, but used in 2525 during the Battle of Chi Ceti? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 04:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

:It's the first time it was seen in action.

:Cheers,

:<tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> 05:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

::TFoR, Chapter Twelve. The ''Commonwealth'' and a small Covenant ship engaged in battle while the Spartans and Dr. Halsey descended to the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Cheti 4 to test project MJOLNIR. If that's not action, I don't know what is. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 06:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes they've been around longer then we're being lead to belive.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">'''ryan'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">'''n'''</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''green'''</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">'''day'''</font>]] 06:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)''

Humanity did not have artificial gravity technology at the time of the Chi Ceti incident (they used centrifugal motion/spinning bits). The frigates seen in the games obviously do. Therefore, it is likely that the ''current'' class of frigate was introduced in 2552, and an older model was in use in 2525.

==Known Frigates Template==
Firstly, this article should either have a listing of known frigates, or the template. It shouldn't have both. Also, the template should have ships names in italics (not the UNSC part), as the list does. [[User:Manticore|Manticore]] 11:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with that. I'd rather have the bulleted list, but it's up to whoever changes it. [[User:ODST27|ODST27]] 1:29, 13, February 2007 (UTC)

::I think ''this'' article should have the list, and any actual frigate pages should have the template. Also, ODST27, you can sign your edits by just putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, and it'll automatically put the UTC time for you, since you were using CST.... '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]'''<font color="purple"><sup>I too am an AI... my owner's name is [[User:RelentlessRecusant|Supreme Honcho.]]</sup></font> 01:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== This article's layout.... ==

...Is somewhat screwed. would anyone have the knowledge on how to fix it? Because it looks horrid.
:What's wrong? Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|My Name is Helen]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<sup>(Contribs)</sup>]] [[user:CaptainAdamGraves|<sup>(Helen)</sup>]]  02:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

:The Spacing, the template are all overlapped and not at the bottom, it's all weird.[[User:KillerCRS|KillerCRS]] 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Destroyer pic ==

there the mac gun pic has 2 MAC guns in it can i remove it because of the fact that destroyers have 2 mac guns

== MAC ==

this can not be the placeof the MAC as there is a hatch door located thier so unless you can think of a good reason to take a strole into a MAC barrel then this isnt the MAC '''''[[User:J!MMY8806|<font color="blue">J!MMY</font>]]''[[User talk:J!MMY8806|<font color="silver">8806</font>]]''' 16:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


internal maintenence.--[[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 06:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== halcyon ==

it look nothing like the halcyon class cruise and definatly not a smaller version of the ship [[User:Ralok|Ralok]] 13:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a different class of Frigate was being talked about? '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Defences ==

On the Halo 3 level "The Ark," I can count three 50mm CIWS turrets - one on the Bridge, and two underneath. Does anyone have a different number? '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

If you do the 'camera outside of Sandtrap' glitch, the you can count four 50mm guns in total; two on each side. I may have missed one or so, but I'm pretty certain that there are only four turrets. I'll add the information later when I've double checked. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 01:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How does a ship hover in an atmosphere?-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It is possible that UNSC ships have some form of anti-gravity device which facilitates this (The human ships in Stargate are an obvious example). A more humble explanation would be that they use some form of thrust vectoring; essentially vertical engines. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 19:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The picture posted by Ns5x (sorry if I got your name wrong), it says that the silver triangle things near the archer pods are Shivia Nukes. There is 4 triangles per side making 8 total, but the stats say there is only 3 Shivia nukes per ship. So wouldn't that make the picture incorrect? [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 23:31, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would remove the picture but someone will yell at me. [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 19:32, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

== Picture of a unsc frigate. Is it worthy of the title picture? ==

[IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/megatron6543/8511127-Full.jpg[/IMG]

yes is good
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Just add it to the gallery. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Can it be scaled down a little? It looks like it's taking over the page. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 19:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Freight Classes ==

If you look at a picture of the back of In Amber Clad and Forward Unto Dawn you can tell that they are of different classes. The cargo bay on the back of Forward Unto Dawn that you jump into at the end of Halo 3 is missing on In Amber Clad. Just wanted to point this out, perhaps In Amber Clad was an older frigate. Forward Unto Dawn, Aegis Fate, and the third frigate that fired on the Forerunner Dreadnought all appear to be of the same class. [[User:Adao1207|Adao1207]] 01:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Adao1207

That is possible, as Forward Unto Dawn is Miranda's ''new'' ship.

~Delta-718

== MAC ==

Do we know which of the bow "prongs" is the MAC? Top or bottom? I'm sure in a Destroyer both would be, but for a Frigate, just the one. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 20:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


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This is from Halo 3 when the 3 frigates are firing at the forerunner dreadnought ~Adao1207

Then supposse that neither is a MAC, because the flash of fire does not come from either prong. ~Delta-178


its comming from the top prong(the only one with a nozel-like spot on it). but iether prong looks to short to sport a MAC of any real power.[[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 06:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

After taking a fly around the Forward Unto Dawn in theater i found a barrel in the top prong. along with 4 of those turrets and 8 of what i guess are archer missile pods.

== Spartan Lasor? ==

I Read On the frigate page that if you betray merienes then a few spartan lasors will shoot at you is that true?[[User:Shipmaster117|Shipmaster117]] 07:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


Spell "Laser" right. ppl who say lazer, lasor or lazor are wrong

:In addition, the lasers are actually emitted by the towers that ring the map, ''not'' the frigate. There's no indication that the ship has laser weaponry at all. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 08:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Number of frigates left in the fleet ==

On the frigate page in says that there are 4 frigates left in the UNSC fleet. How can that be true if I only see 3 UNSC frigates in halo 3. Is there another one or did someone screw up on that.

For that matter, how do we know there are ONLY 4 left? Where is this stated? Just because we only saw 3 attack the dreadnaught doesn't mean that's all there are. In many cases, when a smaller force takes heavy losses, they carefully shepard the forces they do have left by moving them to a safe location and only using them when absolutely necessary. So again, where does it say there are only 4 left??? [[User:SpartHawg948|SpartHawg948]] 01:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

There were only 3 frigates attacking the Forerunner Dreadnaught, yes, but that doesn't mean those were the only frigates left in existence. Other frigates could have still been elsewhere around earth and the entire solar system. Truth never completely secured either the planet or the system, so there could be a sizeable portion of earth's home fleet remaining.

:One would think that since Fleeet Admiral Harper had 67 Frigates in one fleet.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 16:24, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
as we'll the UNSC SAY MY NAME was a cruiser, generally speaking larger ships are the first to be destroyed, so if the UNSC had a cruiser, it would only be logical to assume they had a few more than 4 frigates (1 cruiser 4 destroyers maybey 8 frigates at least.) [[Special:Contributions/99.230.117.142|Warman45/HeadachyUpdator]] 21:51, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

== number of Archer missile pods ==

Someone put that there are 30 Archer missile pods on a UNSC frigate but a UNSC frigate only holds 26. So that should be change back unless the UNSC made new frigates that hold 30 Archer missile pods or bungie put more Archer missile pods on it than it should have.

it's 30 pods (40 on the dawn) however each pod holds 26 missiles, for a grand total of 780-1040 missiles a frigate.[[Special:Contributions/99.230.117.142|Warman45/HeadachyUpdator]] 21:47, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

==Weight==
Do we seriously want to be batting around the frankly impossible weight of 4,000 tons?

The cited dimensions give a volume of around 8,083,936 cubic meters, but obviously the frigate isn’t a big box so let’s chop that by 75% to say 2,020,984 cubic meters. We’ll use basic titanium for density which is 4,500 kilograms per cubic meter. That gives us a mass of 10 MILLION tons, but the ship isn’t just a huge block of titanium obviously so let’s generously say 90% of it is hollow.

Final weight? 1,002,489 million tons.

This estimate is probably rather low as noted since it assumes 90% of the vessel is hollow which is rather unlikely. Just for fun let’s say the ship DOES weigh 4,000 tons well the above noted figures tell us the ship has a volume of about 2,020,984 cubic meters while 4,000 tons equals roughly 3,628,738 kilograms. Thus we have a volume of about 1.79 kilograms per cubic meter. AIR has a mass of 1.204 Kilograms per cubic meter at about room temperature… it wouldn’t QUITE float in an Earth Like Atmosphere, but it would be close.

I vote we Axe this nonsense on the grounds of being bloody impossible. [[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 02:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Where did we actually get the original figure of 4000 originally? Did we ever have a source, or was it just fanon someone just posted and we didn't notice? And on a related note, I found [http://www.5596.org/cgi-bin/structure.php this] - a calculator for starship weight. I don't think we know all of the neccessary factors yet, but I'd be interested in its initial results... -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea either. Vastly understating starship weight is a long proud tradition among sci-fi authors most of whom are, ironically, really bad at math. Still this is just outrageous as this number makes it less then half the weight of a modern destroyer it’s over three times the length of and probably dozens of times the volume.

Volume is what determines mass, but how it works is somewhat counter intuitive. Namely volume (which as noted is what determines mass) goes up much faster you might expect with increased size. Still this lacks even that excuse as the number given isn't "heavy, but not heavy enough" it's wildly too light to begin with.--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Nylund has a bachelors degree in chemical physics, though, which requires intimate knowledge of mathematics, so I'd assume he'd know how to calculate a ships mass. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Apparently not given that I just proved above (with a few minor and logical assumptions) how absurd his number was with