Talk:Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)

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My opinion would be to treat this as legitimate until we know otherwise. Ghost sangheili

There was a hawtymcbloggy blog about this, so I went on google, found out it was true and then I made this article. FishType1 00:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

So, this Encyclopaedia will only cover the Trilogy and not the novel series? That's what I perceive after reading the article. It will be a great boost for our multiplayer-related articles. -5ub7ank^(7alk) 07:45, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I always thought Halopedia was lacking in regards to our Multiplayer and Campaign articles. —Kougermasters 07:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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Only 352 pages!??! Halopedia has over 5000 articles. I think it should be at least the size of a single volume of a real world encyclpaedia. --MuteNRS

Don't forget, we have articles devoted to, for example, apple and doors. I doubt the Encyclopedia will be quite so pedantic. -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek ^{Honour Light Your Way!} 07:25, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

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Released 5 days after my birthday...Hey mom!!! Blade bane 12:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Blade bane

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Strange... I went to Xbox's halo website and they said this encyclopedia was coming out November 9, 2009, not October 19, 2009. Go to http://halo.xbox.com/ and go to news, you'll find it. - Annonmous 10:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Opps... sorry, my bad, It says November' 09, not November 9. Sorry about that, it was how it was typed that I got it wroug. But they changed the release date to October 19, and again, sorry for the confusen. - Annonmous 11:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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Only 352 pages? That's a quick ref guide, not an encyclopedia. This is an encyclopedia --Lord of SPARTANs_{LOMI HQ}^{I here your cries}_{May your works be honorable}
16:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

My best guess is that the book will go more in-depth about stuff that we don't already know. For example, we have dozens of articles about the Covenant, but very little on their religion. The same goes for the history of the Forerunners, or the UNSC's colonisation efforts. It would give us a look at stuff we haven't seen before - hopefully from an in-universe perspective, but that's not a prerequisite for me. -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek ^{Honour Light Your Way!} 05:27, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I got the encyclopedia today, and i must say that from reading the articles so far, there isnt any NEW things in it (but i've only dug in to about 20 pages or so)

the majority of the first bit of the encyclopedia has the timeline of the entire halo series (even dating back to the forerunners), but they are quite brief and not very detailed.

oh, and for those wondering (like did before getting the book), every page is colored --—This unsigned comment was made by 99.226.132.207 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

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Hey I recently went to my local libary to pre order my copy of the encyclopedia. But the release date here in England is November 2. Is this noteworthy?--<SCROTE> 23:40, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes

--Ugh! I just read quickly through the book and... Oh, wow. This book has more mistakes than it has truths! Why does the Brute Major look exactly like the Minor? Why does the Scout and Rogue show exactly the same armor? Why the heck does it say John Forge is married and has a daughter!? These were just a few mistakes I found quickly reading through it. Going back again makes me nearly vomit. Who checked this book? Why are there some incomplete sentences such as, "needed them for"... and just stop? This book is going to give Halo newbies a false perspective of the game! I think we need to petition for a TOTAL RECALL so they can fix this inaccurate piece of encyclopedia. What happened during the development process that made all these drastically unacceptable mistakes? I am really quite mad at the publishers for caring so vastly little about the Halo universe that thy thought they could publish this piece of crap of a book for some money. What happened?! This is horrible! --Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato

From what i've heard, yeah, it's got a lot of inaccuracies. Also, it refers to "first" and "second" Battle of Earth, while newer sources (GoO, ODST) have confirmed there's no distinction between them. I think a lot of the stuff in the book was probably taken from Halopedia while the battles were still divided.

It even gets most of the dates wrong, like placing the Battle of Installation 00 a day after Regret jumps, the so-called "First battle of Earth". It also states that the "Second battle of Earth" - John's arrival, takes place on Nov. 4, while it's commonly known it's supposed to be Nov. 17. It even puts the Battle of Installation 00 taking place on the same day. So, it's not very reliable. Problem is, how do we differentiate actual canon and the bogus stuff? --Jugus 16:06, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thankfully, we have a policy on this issue. Also, apply the "unless it contradicts the previous established canon" test when deciding if it is canon.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 16:10, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

--Then there is practically no canon. How did they publish this?--Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato 16:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

In the prowler section, they have a section that reads (I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but here goes) that the prowler's sled protects from bumps that would flip a Banshee or Warthog--24.63.181.248 01:17, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

I have four mistakes that I have found: Kelly's service number being incorrectly labled as 058 when it should be 087, the Truth and Reconciliation's image being an Assault Carrier when it should've been a Ket-pattern battlecruiser and even it's data file says that it is a Ket-pattern battlecruiser, the Reverence having two of the same fact file, the Zanar-pattern light cruiser's image being the same as the Ket-pattern battlecruiser's image. --SPARTAN-125 Cally99117

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"'Why the heck does it say John Forge is married and has a daughter!?'"

— Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato

That part, at least, is not wrong. Forge does have a daughter, which we knew already, because he was busted for defending her honour from a lecherous lieutenant. Why is her existence, and that of her mother, a detriment to the books quality? As for the other issues - The Brute Minor/Major and Scout/Rogue image issue isn't anything new. The Engineer was in the Halo: Combat Evolved Strategy Guide in place of the Infection Form. Likewise, the inaccuracy of the dates are simple typos. I would support a reissue in future, with the mistakes corrected, but I don't think that's enough to automatically say "worst thing evar." -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek 20:35, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

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The mistakes get to me as well. Couple other examples I found:

- On the pages covering the Hunters. One paragraph said the worms were 2-feet long. In another paragraph it said they were nearly 5-long. Which is it?

- Rtas 'Vadumee. In the encyclopedia it stated he became SpecOps Commmander after the Infinate Succor mission. How can that be when it is clear he is both SpecOps and refered to as commander throughout that story in the HGN(not to mention Sub-Commander Kusovai is subservent to him).

And they changed the avg Sangheili height again to 7'4". I am starting to wonder if Bungie had any control over what was put in this thing, and if they did, if they bothered to do any QC on it. Zeno 'Ribal 21:19, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

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Wow. I too am extremely angry about the quality of this book. Besides the numerous spelling and grammar mistakes, I was very upset to see not only a lacking of new material, but a TON of WRONG material. An entire page is devoted to the Truth and Reconciliation yet the ship is depicted as an Assault Carrier. Tags for the Rocket Hog and Gauss Hog are switched. The existence of an extensively seen naval ranking structure including the ranks of Captain, Admiral, and even Master Chief is completely denied. H3 equipment is labeled with H2 names. The list goes on and on.

Though I am glad to see that our community has clearly had an impact on the Encyclopedia (a few sections are word for word, two that I even wrote), it's discouraging to see that some of the erroneous information was pulled as well. A good example for me (thanks to being involved with the article from beginning onwards) is the Cobra's Rail Guns. These were renamed by Halo Wars VERY early on in development from M66 Guass cannons to LRG Rail Guns. After that time, we at Halopedia were the ONLY ones that referred to the guns as M66 with no existing source anymore (besides I think one outdated concept art piece). Upon receiving the HW Strategy Guide, I was quick to comment on the needed change. As I was new to editing the wiki however, I was unwilling to change the name myself. Months went by and only weeks ago did I finally grow disgusted enough to change the name myself. Unfortunately, somewhere in that time, the Encyclopedia article regarding the Cobra was written with the older, wrong name, clear evidence that the book had leached of information from our beloved Halopedia. In this case, it just happened to be wrong info.

This name had been seen for a very short time window, maybe a month, before HW cleared the info and gave it a new name so it's doubtful that the Encyclopedia got information from HW executives. So why would a so called encyclopedia pull info from a website that ANYONE can edit? Beats me. But it was probably a lot easier. I'm about sick of this book. Not worth $40, that's for sure.--Nerfherder1428 23:31, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

--It's horrible, it really is... Oh yeah, and with the John Forge thing, they mention he was 40... twice. --Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato 05:00, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. I was actually going to buy this but after reading the mess they made of it, I doubt I will. --Jaguartalon 07:37, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, but it's so good for a laugh, though! Okay, I'm kidding. Don't give them any money for this trash. --Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato 22:20, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

You say that the Halo encyclapedia has retrieved much of its information from Halopedia, then this is a very good reason to keep Halopedia as accurate as possible in case anything similar to this happens in the future.(Drone232 19:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC))

Deluxe edition

hey, amazon shows a page for a deluxe edition, anyone know about this?

http://www.amazon.com/Halo-Encyclopedia-DK-Publishing/dp/1405348879

Jabberwockxeno 19:14, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oh...so a potential 'deluxe 'this-is-the-one-we-didn't-fuck-up' edition'? Lovely...if this is true, I'll wait until a bit after it is released to see what is different....Zeno 'Ribal 19:18, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

heh, it's funamation's remasterd DBZ boxed sets all over agian. Jabberwockxeno 12:52, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Is that really the purpose of the "Deluxe Edition", though? To fix all the stupidity in it? I don't know. --Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato 22:21, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, the only thing I found about it was the amazon page, so it could be anything. Jabberwockxeno 19:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Canon

Okay, so I can see we've all noticed some inaccuracies. That's honestly not a huge issue for me. The big thing that did catch my eye was the inclusion of materials which are currently debated in terms of canon. For example we see elements from I Love Bees and the Believe marketing campaign. So where does this leave us? Do these things count as canon now? What does everyone else think? This is something we really need to figure out.--Rusty-UserWiki:Rusty-112|112]] 23:57, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Given how messed up that book is, I say we don't even count it as a resource. We keep on believing what we have been, no matter what this book-shaped piece o' poop says in it. --