Talk:List of inconsistencies in the Halo series/Archive/1

Sources

Since conflicts must use sources (and many are on the page but not stated as sources) there should be more than one source stated at the bottom 24.34.59.220 00:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Just changed about 56 such plain-text citations to wiki-format; still a few left, I think, plus some factoids that are missing citations or need more specific ones. File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.png|16px]] DavidJCobb  00:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Tiara's Space Elevators

Harvest was founded in 2468 by theUNSC Skidbladnir."Skidbladnir remained in orbit for more than a year to assist in the construction of the basic infrastructure for the Tiara". With that said when Sergeant Avery J. Johnson engaged in Operation:_KALEIDOSCOPE on 2502 the Tiara was not fully constructed (Contact Harvest, Page 65, Line 3) "They hadn't been there on his previous visit."-Johnson, the time he returned in 2525 however they were completed in 2524 (Dirt, Page 108, Line 9)"I could see one of the seven space elevators..."-Gage

With some quick math i figure you have 57 years (Y) to build 7 space elevators(SE) logically the build time would shorten.

Y Date SE

02 2468 0 (2 y to build the basic infrastructure for the Tiara)

20 2470 1 (20 y to complete 1 SE)[highest per capita agricultural manufacture of any outer colony.]

18 2490 2 (9 y to complete 1 SE)

10 2508 4 (5 y to complete 1 SE)

09 2018 7 (3.3 y to complete 1 SE)

please correct me if i messed up math wasn't my thing back in school, but its all speculation for construction. What i am thinking is that some where some writer messed up.... but having incorrect info on the article saddens me. can we fix it?--RussellofSwinhart 02:44, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

"Basic infrastructure" could mean anything, from warehouses to MagLev rails and foundations etc. It may be that the writer forgot mentioning that they hadn't been there when Johnson last visited Harvest, but it's not really an inconsistency since the wording is so vague. They could have started building the elevators after 2502 for all we know; the basic infrastructure could've been sitting there for several decades until it was deemed necessary to build the elevators, or alternatively, when they got the necessary funds to do so. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 04:12, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

True True.... I just felt wrong reading it and then the too not match up, i don't see how the Tiara could have the highest per capita agricultural manufacture of any outer colony without the SP's maybe i am lil OCD on the details but.. but... i like my theory and shame on the writer...--RussellofSwinhart 04:03, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

John 117's rank in "The Fall Of Reach"

In "The Fall Of Reach", John 117, is referred to as the Master Chief before he has made this rank.

He was given his current rank in 2535. Remember to sign you post with four of these ~ God2845 00:57, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Pillar of Autumn has no rotating sections, it received a refit for the mission and one of the features was gravity without the sections. I'll post what page this is mentioned in when I get my book back from a friend.

Discrepancy: Rotating sections in UNSC ships

the PoA doesn't have the spinning parts because they have artificial gravity they say this in the fall of reach book around when capt. keyes got on the ship and some LT. was telling him about the upgrades it got.

The top of page 274 of Fall of Reach describes a rotating section for the ship. It also describes the engine room as having no gravity. Though I do remember that being said somewhere, I can't remember exactly where either. -ED 00:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Although Crashing on Halo may have cased Gravity in the room.

Conflict: Pelican ordinance payload

The equipment in the pelican can be moved out or in to create more space. The idea of the spartans fitting in there was explained in FoR,

Where? -ED 21:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Early Scetches of the pelican were much larger than the ones in the game. Also just because it says its a pelican, it doesn't make it the t77-7 model or what ever its called, thats how like 75 kids could be on at the same time.

Where? -Chief2552 19:27, 14 September 2006 (GMT)

I believe they said it was an albatross dropship during the spartan training? when they were kids and each given part of a map that mission?--RussellofSwinhart 18:38, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

It says 10-12. I believe these are how many it SEATS. it could much more if the children were standing up. That coupled with Chief2552s' aurgument makes it pretty easy to belive that it could hold 75 children

Discrepency: Pelican ID

In Halo: CE, the easiest explanation for the repeated sightings of E419 on the pelicans despite each having its own unique ID is due to just using the same textures for the pelican models over again. This is a common technique used in the gaming industry, unfortunately.

That's noted in the Echo 419 page. For continuity reasons, I imagine we'll never be able to remove that one. -ED 17:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

There is only one Pelican on Halo: Combat Evolved that has another ID, and that is the crashed Pelican on "The Silent Cartographer". Its ID is Bravo 022. Kboy21 18:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Spelling Errors

Should typos be listed, such as "Jerico VII"? --Dragonclaws 21:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, with a source of where the spelling occurred-- Esemono 05:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Should that have a new header or use one of the existing ones? --Dragonclaws 06:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

new header -- Esemono 07:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Canon

Shouldn't the books, written later and in more detail than the manuals, be considered superior canon? I mean, they have added onto the original mythology, making them IMO more up to date. --Dragonclaws 02:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. --Andrew Nagy 22:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Grunt Conflict

The Section on Manual to Book Inconsistancies incorretly states that 1 meter is 6'3". This is incorrect. One meter is in fact approximatly 3'3"

Plasma on Books vs Games

In the Books vs Games section it talks about the Pillar of Autumn being hit with plasma, I think those were only pulse laser blasts, as a plasma blast is a giant ball of plasma and any plasma blast would have turned the Pillar of Autumn into a molten slag. --Captain Jacob Rathens 03:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC) heh what do yea know im not registered but that is possible that those were pulse lasers because your right, 1 hit and the PoA is just slag.

Yes, slag. Even with cross bracings and reinforcements it would be so damaged that no crew members could survive. And the temperature would jump by about 100 degrees. --Captain Jacob Rathens 03:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not a pulse laser. Pulse lazers are red in colour.--File:Hunter large.jpg|35px]] never ending-summer^{My personal COM chanelAKA R1e2u3b4e5n6} 08:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

In FoR the plasma salvos are described as ruby red, was'nt it written somewhere that the covenant ships tailing the PoA refused to use their Plasma weapons for fear of possibly damaging Halo ringDARKSTORM99 07:46, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Halo: The Flood isn't exactly the most accurate book. Some how Silva knew of the Spartan 2's origin's despite not being a part of ONI. Also game canon overrides any other source. we see the PoA getting hit by some massive blasts of plasma and plasma torpedoes fit the bill much better than lasers. Also plasma's color can change depending on what medium it's passing through as well as a host of other factors as well.--For the Swarm! 20:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Do you have proof that they are red? and do you have proof that they can only BE red? --Captain Jacob Rathens 00:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Seraphs in Halo: Custom Edition fire blue plasma/pulse laser blasts that look v. similar to those the PoA is hit by. Molotovsniper 09:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Halo Custom can't really be considered official material as it is fan made, I've played maps with Seraphs that fire the same blasts that H1 shades do. --Ineedacoolname 23:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Plasma Blasts that Covenant Ships fire are directed energy weapons. The Blasts are shaped into a spearlike shape and then fired at extremely high speeds, so the ship can be Gutted and inoperable.

100,000,000 degree

Um should we add this to the inconsistency's of halo, the sun is not even that hot and the nuking of the PoA looked like a 1 megaton nuke to small to be a 100,000,000 degree nuke that could possibly take out the gas giant halo orbits (cant remember the name) as well as 343 guilty spark and most of that system someone answer this

An inconsistancy is something that is contradicted in another halo canon source. And besides, it's not impossible to create a temperature that hot, In the future it could be even more possible. Also, it wouldn't have taken out Basis (the planet). It also was visible from space so I'm pretty sure it was a teeny bit bigger than one megaton. --Captain Jacob Rathens 03:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

isn't the gas giant called threshold? fludz 'carnttuchmee 15:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, sorry my bad. Is Basis the name of the moon? anyways, I still don't think it would take out Threshold. It was pretty far away. --Captain Jacob Rathens 04:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

To your first statement I must point out that in H:Ce level "The Maw" Cortana states that "detonating the ship's fusion core would take out enough of halo's subsystems. This would cause a catalyst chain reaction taking out the entire halo system. But would look much different in real life then portrayed in the game.

If you notice in the final cutscene, the explosion on Halo was pretty big. It was probably big enough to set off a cloud of gas floating near Threshold, and subsequently, a much larger explosion.

Please note that 100,000,000 degrees is a temperature, not an amount of energy. It would be possible to create such temperature in a very small space without (relatively) much energy consumption. A megaton is an amount of energy, specifically 4.184×10^15 Joules (4,184,000,000,000,000 written out). -- Nutarama 00:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

While Threshold could be made of any gas, most probable gasses are non-combustible. In addition, gaseous combustion reactions require the proper mixing of fuel and oxidizer to work - anyone who has tried to light gasoline fumes can attest to this. -- Nutarama 00:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Grunts overcharging plasma pistols

I forgot exactly what page, but in Halo: The Flood, it says that grunts overcharge their plasma pistols. In the game, only jackals overcharge. -EJtheSnail

That doesn't technically mean that they can't. --Andrew Nagy 22:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Lefty or righty?

In Halo: The Fall of Reach on page 208 It says that James's left arm was burned off from the elbow down. Yet on page 210 it says he "managed to salute with his left hand". Which arm was burned off? that seems a bit inconsistant to me. --Captain Jacob Rathens 19:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It's also inconsistent because they state numerous times in the Halo universe their ability to "flash clone." Which makes you question why they didn't make him a new arm.

[Response] In the books it on;y stated the possibility of cloning organs not limbs, possible because the organs are soft tissue and limbs are much more complex with cartilidge ,bones and muscles.

Wrong context?

343 said the range of the pulse not the actual power in watts, volts etc. So maybe Cortana couldn't work out the pulse genie's POWER range.

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right. maybe she meant it could deliver a larger pulse if needed. the guilty spark only stated the intended range----

Conflicts: MA5B

I believe that on page 310-311 in Halo: First Strike when the Master Chief switches from controlled bursts to full auto; he is merely changing tactics from firing bursts in full auto to holding the trigger until the clip is empty. I think it was merely a case of poor writing that created the conflict.

James' Arm

It's quite obvious that they DID flash clone a new arm for James. Why else would John choose a one-armed James over, say, a two armed Fred for James' final mission? Besides, James was setting explosives when his T-Pack was set off, so wouldn't it make sense that he had 2 arms at the time?

Maybe he had a prosthetic arm?? Molotovsniper 09:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Argument still sends - any prosthetic limb would never be able to match normal human standards, much less than those required of SPARTAN-IIs. If the UNSC can't build efficient armored exoskeletons, they couldn't be able to extremely advanced prosthetic limbs. -- Nutarama 00:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It could also be one of the robtic arms that the SPARTAN-III Kat has in Halo: Reach. Kboy21 18:23, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Jackals and SpecOps Elites in Halo: The Flood

As stated, "Jackals and Special Ops Elites on board the Pillar of Autumn (HtF p.7, 36, 29)". It may be that they were elsewhere on the ship than where the Chief was. --WTRiker 21:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

But in the book, the Chief clearly encounters them. --EDFile:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]] 16:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Halo Wars "Conflict"

According to not only the novels, but this website as well, Project: ORION was not only in full swing by 2525, but that was also the year in which the Spartans were given Mjölnir Mark IV armour. Hence, I don't see a "conflict" between the novels and the upcoming game "Halo Wars."

sniper rifle

it clearly says in the books that the scope can be swapped for other variants meaning that the night vision may not appear in 2 and 3 because it had been outfitted with different scopes.

Artistic License

Fair enough, there are some really outrageous inconsistencies in Halo, but many of the listed are simply due to game-play restrictions (such as no single shot option on the BR - however the Marines at the end of Halo 3 fire in single shot bursts) or the fact that the Halo 3 engine has greater power and allows for more detail - such as the doors in High Charity. Does anyone agree with me when I say that this should at least be mentioned somewhere?
Diaboy 20:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it should.

Most modern weapons have multiple shot settings-single, burst, full auto etc. Yet a lot of Games only show one shot setting for a weapon. Molotovsniper 10:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

It could be that the game designers decided to slightly simplify the controls by removing the ability to choose fire modes.

Vegerot (talk) 20:59, 7 March 2011 (EST): Thank you, that's what we were all just saying. But if this hasn't been done yet, then if we don't remove those then we should at LEAST mention it.

Halo Wars

I wanted to mention the fact that in Halo Wars, the ship the Spirit of Fire hits in the game cut-scene is just as big if not slightly larger, yet it is mentioned on the menu screen for viewing the cinematics as a destroyer. A destroyer is about 1500 meters according to the Covenant Destroyer page, yet the 2500 meter ship (assuming the Spirit of Fire's 2500 meter measurement is correct) is listed there as a destroyer. Thats a margin of 1000m difference! Was this a Super Duper Class Destroyer?

It might even make sense if it were a Reverence Class being that big but still smaller than a Carrier. It looks a little bigger than the spirit, around 2800 meters would be close enough to a Reverence. Not to mention Regret wouldn't travel around on a Destroyer and there were no other ships there on Serina's screen on the bridge.

Hatchling001 Tue. March 24, 2009 3:00am Eastern

Don't forget the MJOLNIR Mk IV being entirely different from the armor in the Cole Protocol, demonstrating Ensemble's wide-ranging mistakes and blind artistic license. The armor also has shields, which is another mistake. Another is the presence of Grunt and Jackal Combat Forms, when it stated beforehand that they are used as Carrier Forms.

Add to that the necessary presence of the SoF's Spartans at Reach, and you've got a number of glaring mistakes.

Remember that there was very little oversight from Bungie in this game's development, so Ensemble was allowed to make mistake after mistake in development, both deliberate and accidental. There are so many inconsistencies because of Ensemble's incompetence.

--Exalted Obliteration 02:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree with you, Ex. Thanks for the game, and for the screw-ups Ensemble.Hatchling001 04:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• Ever heard of a retcon?P.S. no sources :).Sith-venator Wavingstrider File:Red Team.jpg|100px]] (Holonet) 04:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Retcon is ok, at best though I don't really care for it. I mean folks, here we are in a Halo-Wikia that has to deal with an every changing and inconsistent plot/backgrounds cause someone rewrote a LOT of stuff to suite their needs and did no research other than play the Halo 3 game? Made ideas and concepts that just looked cool and didn't bother to look to maybe even fan art for designs, or asked Bungie to share some input. I build lego models of Halo stuff, and I always check here for information on stuff, especially if it has no pic cause its from the book. Might as well stop working on this site or let everyone change the story. In fact I got a few ideas of my own and maybe I'll write a one shot comic, post it on the internet and then everyone will have to change the pages on here again cause in my world Master Chief is a hot girl, who rides a pony. Point is they created a halo timeline and everything and tried to explain their new story as fitting in with the Bungie story, but it just doesn't. Maybe if they just said "our story is weak and totally off base from the books and games, sorry but we had to lock the doors." I would understand. Basically the game left room for a greater story, the books filled it in, Ensemble, rewrote it. If they did that for a Halo Movie, I'd walk out. Unless MC was a hot chick, on a pony. ;)Hatchling001 04:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• Random no?Sith-venator Wavingstrider File:Red Team.jpg|100px]] (Holonet) 04:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Precisely. Ensemble/Robot Entertainment should never have gotten involved in this in the first place, for their inability to preserve Halo canon as it had already been established and changing it shows that they are unfit to do anything with the Halo franchise. Halo Wars should've been written as a book and given a different title, for it would have been easier for canon to be preserved, for Bungie would've had some actual control over what was put down.

But instead, Bungie and Microsoft allowed an unqualified third party come in a scramble the entire canon ruthlessly for their own incompetent means. This fact places blame on Bungie as well, for they themselves kept on changing things for the sake of doing so, and allowing visual and canonical consistency fall to the wayside. It would be fair to say that as soon as Bungie left Microsoft's control, the Halo franchise and story should've ended.

Another example of Ensemble's idiocy is that they spent huge sums of time and energy making Halo Wars "look" like a Halo game rather than actually being one and following canon. Prime examples are the meaningless presence of the Flood, who were simply placed there for the sake of it, because they were afraid that people wouldn't be able to handle a game that didn't involve the Flood and the Foreruner machines, which also shouldn't of been there. The game was originally meant to just focus on the Human-Covenant war and the battle for Harvest and a few other planets.

There was no need to put the Flood, the Forerunner machines, and a Shield World into the game. The story would've functioned more elegantly had it focused entirely on the war and just the two factions without such extraneous elements. Even the Spartans should've had little to no presence in the campaign, for with them being on the SoF, means that they couldn't have been present at the Fall of reach, for there were 25 out of 28 surviving Spartans at Reach, with five already absent and dead. There were only 33 usable Spartan II's when the war began, so for 3 to suddenly go missing when they should've been at Reach is a glaring mistake on Ensemble's part.

With the way things turned out, however, it would've been easier to have Red Team be recalled to some other critical location before the SoF left Arcadia. This would've avoided the contradiction of them encountering the Flood and being at the Battle of Reach, for it has been pointed out repeatedly that they would've had to be there due the number of Spartans at the battle. If they had encountered the Flood, the UNSC and the other Spartans, especially John-117, would've known about the Flood before the events at Installation 04.

Of course, that would've left the player with no Spartans for the majority of the game, and naturally that couldn't be done, could it? The Spartans would have to be there because the average unknowledgeable fan couldn't appreciate it, nor could Ensemble. Same goes for idiotict placement of the Flood, Sentinels, and the Shield World.

Hopefully future projects in this franchise will correct this unsightly gaggle of incompetent blundering.

--Exalted Obliteration 18:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Couple of things I realized that may explain some of the 'inconsistencies' in Halo Wars.

• Regret and the 'Destroyer: Yes it is odd that a Prophet was riding in a ship that is so low compared to an Assualt Carrier, but maybe he used a Destroyer out of necessity? The tunnel used to access the interior of the shield world (the exit to the interior that is) was barely large enough for the Spirit of Fire. So there is no way a larger Covenant ship would make it through. Are there tunnels that are larger and could very well allowed a larger ship access? Quite possible, but since we never 'see' them, we can only speculate.
• Elites in Monsters cutscene: This was one inconsistency that bugged me since I first saw it. The explaination that the Red-armored elites left with the Prophet is not accurate, as they are still there when the Arbiter forces Anders to activate the Forerunner tech (and Regret by then is long gone). However when watching that cutscene again, I noticed something: those 'Minors' are decloaking. Where did we see this before? Way earlier in the game when stealth Elites ambushed Forge and Anders in the Harvest relic. So they are not really Minors are all, but Stealth Elites (I realize this still doesn't explain why they have those staves), or possibly the Honor Guard changed their armor to the Stealth armor due to the need to be able to sneak up on the humans. This would also explain why they didn't have any shields: in Halo: CE, the stealth elites there didn't have shields either.

Am I on to something? Zeno 'Ribal 16:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes you are,finnaly someone can find some canon in a "Third Party's" work.Sith-venator Wavingstrider File:Red Team.jpg|20px]] (Holonet) 01:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Forerunner structures on Harvest and Arcadia

I'd like to point out an another discrepancy in HW. In previous sources, such as the Fall of Reach or First Strike, the UNSC had very little or no information regarding the Forerunners, because they'd only found a couple of very small artifacts. Yet in Halo Wars, large Forerunner structures at Harvest and Arcadia are discovered, and seemingly not destroyed. After this, wouldn't the UNSC have a little more information about them? Even though the Spirit of Fire left and it can be assumed it did not make it back, the artifacts were still left at Harvest and Arcadia. Of course, it can be explained with a possible ONI cover-up, but one would still assume that Dr.Halsey would've known about them.--Jugus 12:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I know that Arcadia was largely unexplored and when the UNSC finally did discover the artifacts (during the battle of Arcadia), they probably didn't have much time to research them since the planet was under attack. The UNSC ships above Arcadia were either destroyed or damaged and the Spirit of Fire was busy evacuating Pirth City. Also, the SoF was one of the few ships above Harvest at the time and they commanded the only ground units, so whatever they did discover was returned back to the SoF which would have been given to the UNSC if the SoF made it back to Earth or another colony. But, the SoF doesn't have a slipspace drive so they never made it back to UNSC controled space. Darb 013 01:38, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Master Chief and others are cyborgs, and if you think otherwise please respond this time and dont delete

Ok, so here is my stance on it-

Master Chief and others are cyborgs Why?- The standard neural interface

Definition of Cyborg-" a person whose physiological functioning is aided by or dependent upon a mechanical or electronic device."

Think otherwise? please respond and dont flat delete my post plz, as a I said the 1st time I posted, I dont like MC or anyone else being a cyborg, but based on what Ive gathered thats the truth.

Note- I posted a comment here the 1st time b/c of this-

" Grunt combatants can be heard saying "Bad Cyborg!" to the Master Chief. Master Chief, however, is not a cyborg. The second chapter of The Pillar of Autumn is called "AI Constructs and Cyborgs first." Same inconsistency as above. However this could be a Marathon reference, because you are a Cyborg, or it could be because The Chief is able to contain an AI. "

I find this in error. Additionally, in Halo 2 a rare team kill line that the marines have is "Stupid Cyborg!" (Ive only heard it twice, ever) - Master Chief Petty Officer Matthew 124 21:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC) (AKA- User: Firehawk77

First of all, .... Secondly, it is an optional UNSC standard procedure for all its personnel to acquire standard neural interface. Not everyone with neural interface is a cyborg but a cyborg is a person with standard neural interface... :P Additionally, Master Chief and the Spartans were bioengineered as stated in the novels. The armour do, however, enhance their physique... but that doesn't mean they are cyborgs. Any individual with mechanised armour could not be Cyborgs. Thus, your definition of a cyborg is flawed. The correct definition is "A being that is part human and part machine". That said, certain parts of the physiology need to be replaced with mechanised parts in order to become a cyborg. In Master Chief case, it is only an armour which can be taken off if he chooses to do so.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 21:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the ability to contain an AI within the armour. Now, read again. The armour can contain the AI, without the armour, the AI cannot be contained, thus a Spartan without an armour could not be a cyborg. Also, the quote shouted by the Grunts is a humorous reference to Bungie's Marathon franchise where the player faced Mark VI Cyborgs in the first game. And no, this is not an inconsistency in Halo but more of a, I'm sorry to say, useless discussion about what is really a cyborg and what is not a cyborg.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 21:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Er... kk... well as for the def, it off http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyborg so that not me, though i guess my interptation is tainted due to Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun, seeing as Nod has Cyborg infantry and ever since Ive considered a cyborg a Human who is linked to tech (outside of something like a keyboard or something like that), thus my point on the SNI. But I do understand your point you make, though I also remember (though I forget which, H:FoR/H:tF[?]) novel states the when MC put a AI in his helmet his brain felt icy cold, and somewhere else I think it said something about AIs using the armor user's brain for extra storage or something, not 100% it been awhile since I read them and I already am getting CP all blurred up in my head. I think it odd, though I do know that an AI in MJOLNIR is indirectly linked (right? Im starting to get stuff mixed up in my head) and but it is odd that one's brain would go cold... but I again understand your point... so im kinda 25/75 (pro/aganist, if you get my meaning) on the whole cyborg thing, partly agree to disagree for now and think on it and finally make up my mind.... oh and one last thing, Mk-IV is called the Mark IV Cyborg, clairifation plz (or is my memory wrong or something or is this just a referance or Marathon???)... Master Chief Petty Officer Matthew 124 00:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

-PS- Please feel free to delete this now or when ever (*Victory is Yours!*).... and sry bout spelling i cant spell that good in english

standing orders to retrieve Covenant technology

"On two occasions, it is stated that the Spartans had standing orders to retrieve Covenant technology"

Why is this a discrepency? So the author repeated himself, what's wrong with that? did I miss something? 217.39.171.201 13:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Doors of High Charity

Are you ever in the same area of High Charity in both games or are you in a completely different area?

I think that the room you get Cortana from in the level of the same name is the same room in Halo 2 with and energy sword in the middle, it all looks the same, except the doors are different. God2845 23:11, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Vegerot (talk) 21:04, 7 March 2011 (EST): That's what I was thinking too!

Dead Elites In Halo 3: ODST Campaign

Assuming that the Halo 3: ODST campaign takes place directly after Regret's carrier slipspaces away from Mombasa, that would mean that the Elites were killed by the Brutes BEFORE the Great Schism actually took place. Either that or the entirety of the Halo 2 campaign after you leave Earth takes place in about five minutes. I thought that perhaps it was 6 hours, since the first ones I came across were in the Mombasa Streets levels, but seeing as how they are also in Tayari Plaza, and Buck and Dare comment on them, obviously not. -Madbird-Valiant 14:55, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Well, Truth was secretly planning a change in the guard during the events of Halo 2, so it's more then likely that the Brutes were given orders to secretly assassinate the remaining Elites on Earth. Although, the timeline does seem a bit awkward. Especially with how the Brutes were there and quickly assembled Sniper Towers, blockades, communications equipment, and turrets within the couple of minutes that it took Regret to escape and Buck to exit his pod.--TDSpiral94 07:57, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

I think those things were more likely put up initially by the Sangheili, before they were killed. There was fighting in the city itself before Reget beat feet afterall. Zeno 'Ribal 15:08, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Halo

Didn't it say somewhere in Truth and Reconciliation that the Covenant thought Halo was a weapon? And in Halo 2, it's revealed that the Covenant thought Halo was something to save them?

The Covenant thought that the Halo Installations were a weapon, and an oasis. They thought that the halos would destroy all who opposed the Covenant, and at the very time make them gods. But as gameplay progresses in the first Halo game you find out that Halo is one giant Biological/Sentient Superweapon. Kboy21 18:29, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

New section needed.

I'm surprised we don't have an entire section dedicated to the halo Encyclopedia yet as it contained monstrous amounts of errors and contradictions.--Zervziel 21:28, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Spartan-III Speed and Reflexes

I just finished rereading Ghosts of Onyx, and I came upon what might be a minor discrepancy: on page 21, the Spartan-IIIs are described as moving "with speed and reflexes no Covenant could follow". I find this interesting because a Sangheili is normally considered the physical equal of a Spartan-II in full MJOLNIR armor, and even in Ghosts of Onyx, MJOLNIR is referred to as 'superior in every way imaginable' to SPI armor, which I would take to mean it would make a Sangheili faster and with quicker reflexes than an SPI-clad Spartan-III. Futhermore, while normally I wouldn't take multiplayer into account, one has to notice a pattern emerging when Halo: Reach is going to have its Spartan-IIIs physically inferior to Sangheili in multiplayer- IE, they're slower, they don't melee as hard, they can't jump as far, etc. So, I have to wonder if, unless this is just artistic flourish used to describe the speed of their attack taking the Sangheili off-guard- which I doubt, given the fact that they saw the Spartans coming- that perhaps Onyx has a discrepancy in its treatment of SPI-clad Spartan-IIIs in relation to Sangheili in the speed and relfexes department compared to other materials. Dewback rancher 16:41, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Most likely an artistic flourish description. Note that "no Covenant" was used instead of specifically mentioning what race/species (i.e. Sangheili) of the Covenant.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 16:46, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

During that section, though, instead of stopping to individually describe the ranks, Nylund wrote passages like "Thousands of Covenant clashed with two hundred Spartans in open combat." Only when the main characters are specifically interacting with one alien in particular, or a very small group, does he bother to pick out the species. Dewback rancher 16:49, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fall of Reach Map issue

It's possible Mendez gave out multiple copies of certain sections in order to cause confusion.FATGUNN 00:19, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

He did.Kboy21 18:30, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Fall of Reach number of SPARTAN trainees "discrepancy"

I think the point of the statement "...which seemed to be all of them" is that a few of the trainees had died. -- CoD addict (talk) 17:18, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Halo Reach

Is Halo: Reach a 'perfect' game? Does it have any inconsistencies? If so, we need to add a section. Just sayin 99.110.237.249 21:43, 25 January 2011 (EST)

References and Sources!

Guys, this is a page where it is IMPERATIVE to have sources with every line. So, until there are sources for these. I will be removing them until they are fixed. Vegerot (talk) 16:26, 8 April 2011 (EDT)!!!!

Don't remove them yet. Just add a "citation needed" template to questionable entries. If they haven't been sourced after a while, feel free to remove them. --"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson 16:28, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

Didact

The Didact's appearance is no longer an inconsistency, with the release of Silentium - it's a result of his attempts to use the Composer on himself, warping his appearance to that which we see in Halo 4. If nobody objects, I'll remove it tomorrow (if I remember). -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 03:52, 28 September 2013 (EDT)

His in-game appearance isn't inconsistent since he's never desribed with fur post-transformation, but the presence of the quills on his earlier form in the terminals does contradict the descriptions from Halo: Cryptum. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:41, 28 September 2013 (EDT)

Yin and Yang

Two things are happening to this page. One, it's getting longer and inevitably will keep getting longer. Second, some of the inconsistencies are getting answers and thus merit their explanations appearing somewhere. Therefore, I propose that not only do we move the "list of rectified inconsistencies" section to its own page, but on that one we record the discrepancies that have been mended in the canon, such as the Didact's behavior and Fall of Reach dates, etc. It could be a useful resource to direct users to if they have a question about a canon plot hole that has been recently solved. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 04:05, 10 February 2014 (EST)

I like this idea. Not a lot of people are still aware of the Data Drops' explanation for the TFoR/Reach continuity goofs (flimsy as said explanation may be), or how the Halsey journal explains the issue of Halsey being (somewhat) aware of Noble Team and them being Spartans, so at least acknowledging that there used to be an (apparent) conflict might help clear up some confusion prevailing in the fandom. Even though the explanations do tend to become common knowledge over time, it would make for a nice meta-history record of the series canon's development.

One other potential way to break up the page would be to have the internal discrepancies and cross-media conflicts as their own pages since the two are already separate lists, but how would we go about naming them? The article's current use of the terms "discrepancies" and "conflicts" to set the two apart is rather arbitrary since a cross-media conflict might as well be called a discrepancy, while a discrepancy within a single book is still a conflict. Maybe something more descriptive like "cross-media inconsistencies" (though does that indicate different types of media as opposed to different pieces of media?) and "internal inconsistencies". We could also drop the "List of..." part from the title since it only serves to make it longer. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 04:32, 10 February 2014 (EST)

If we drop the "list of" from the title, should we also rename the "list of references to "seven" in the Halo series" page to just "Seven"? That's way easier to link to and also what most of the links to that page are anyway. The current long title feels cumbersome. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 14:53, 10 February 2014 (EST)

That makes sense. The title doesn't need to be that over-descriptive. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 23:34, 10 February 2014 (EST)

Also, what topics should the "rectified inconsistencies" page cover? I'm working on a draft, and currently I have discussing the default Mark IV, the Fall of Reach, Didact, the discovery of Covenant species, and Halsey's knowledge of NOBLE Team. The current "rectified" section on this page will be in its own section of "corrected errors". Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 23:10, 10 February 2014 (EST)

The explanation for Noble Team's origins comes to mind. While our pages are quite thorough in explaining why the SPARTAN-IIIs of NOBLE are able to use MJOLNIR and more importantly, not be long dead on the onset of the battle for Reach, it's still something worth mentioning if only for the record. Can't come up with anything else off the top of my head, but it's a good start. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 23:34, 10 February 2014 (EST)

Rebuttals for recent edits

Regarding a couple of new explanations added by 76.31.228.133, they don't quite hold up. I'm going to post these here since the edit summary box is a little short. The added explanations are in italics.

• Thel 'Vadam reacts to Jai-006's face-concealing MJOLNIR helmet with extreme disgust, believing that only a "soulless and dead" being would hide his face. This is contradictory in light of the fact that many Sangheili combat harness variants have helmets that fully cover the wearer's face.
  • This may have been personal preference on 'Vadam's part.

In that case, he's still calling thousands of his Sangheili brothers "soulless and dead". While you can expect some degree of hypocrisy from the Sangheili when it comes to weighing their own against humans, I can't see an opinion that strong, declared with such intense zeal, being just a "personal preference". If this was a proper thing and not just an author goof, you'd expect Thel to dismiss all SpecOps, etc. Elite units with face-covering helmets as demonic and evil, which obviously isn't happening.

• (Glasslands flash clone cover-up debacle)
  • Given that Admiral Parangosky was only a Vice Admiral by 2531 and was not Commander-in-Chief of ONI yet, it is possible she was not aware of the use of flash clones at the time.

Okay, but in that case Parangosky had no business knowing about them in the first place. If she were a relative nobody within ONI at the time (which in all likelihood wasn't the case), Halsey would've had no kind of obligation to divulge top-secret information to her. The implication in Glasslands is obviously that Parangosky was already in a position where she was supposed to be informed about everything that goes on in the program, but Halsey somehow, somewhy, covered it all up. Why she would do this is anyone's guess, given that ONI had already signed off on every other fiercely unethical aspect of the program and Halsey herself would have no reason whatsoever to assume they wouldn't do the same with the cloning. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:28, 3 March 2014 (EST)