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Surprise, surprise! Disney is getting serious with the canon universe of Star Wars. Selected quotes from the op-ed:

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A sci-fi universe with as long a tail as Star Wars can be death for new stories, though. Finding space among the EU to make a mark without being hamstrung by established ideas is difficult, and even keeping the EU somewhat organized is challenging. Its growth has been cancerous—like a tumor, it has no plan and no organization—it simply expands, blindly, as the collective fan engine shovels in new material.

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This would appear to be the route 343i is taking. The hole is getting deeper and deeper. Only time will tell when they'll realize this inevitability.

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Most of the EU is simply layers and layers of garbage. It's filled with thinly veiled Mary Sue characters, ludicrous minutiae, and a ponderous and plodding history (past AND future) of the galaxy. It's creaky under its own weight, and [Leeland Chee]'s pruning is a welcome change. In him, Disney has a person who intimately understands the core elements of what makes Star Wars, Star Wars.

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Unfortunately, the same can't be said with Frankie (imo, anyway). Who can take up the mantle of responsibly ensuring that canon are given coherent, reasonable explanation and within a realistic realm, and not bent for the sake of making sales? I'm not sure anymore.

Comments

TL;DR: EU sucks... sometimes. I strongly suggest reading the article rather than relying on the selected quotes. — subtank 08:29, 11 January 2014 (EST)

Did you seriously just compare the Star Wars EU to the Halo EU? Dude, Halo is magnificently maintained in comparison. Maybe under Bungie the EU stuff didn't really have much direction (though it did have some), but 343's stuff definitely does. Kilo Five, Forerunner, and Halo 4 were all tied together and complementary, and Initiation and Escalation seem to be leading into potential Halo 5 plot points. They aren't just random stories like the article is referring to about Star Wars. I really don't get what you're complaining about, this is literally the most coherent and quality period of Halo EU.

Time will tell if the Halo universe becomes too fragmented with too many new secondary characters and too many new plotlines, but I seriously doubt 343's going to make too many mistakes there. Halo 2 was a lesson they will refer to, where too many directions and an unnecessary second point of view did exactly what so many Star Wars novels are guilty of. (Seriously, almost every single one has two or more main characters)--70.70.8.253 10:00, 11 January 2014 (EST)

It's an observation: I was merely pointing out one of many possible futures of the Halo franchise as well as giving out my doubt of Frankie's handling of the Halo canon (oh, this is more of a criticism than it is a complaint). Halo franchise is comparable to the Star Wars franchise as it is already considered as the new "Star Wars" for this age (debatable of course). Whatever changes made to the Star Wars franchise will eventually be made to the Halo franchise as well. It chimes. It's the natural progression of entertainment franchise. Time will tell. :) — subtank 10:24, 11 January 2014 (EST)

I agree Subtank. Halo 4 was a clear example of mishandling the Halo universe (and Halo gameplay) with all the inconsistencies and retcons. And it stretches even further with the whole Forerunner saga imo (splitting the Didact in 2, the humans being separate from the Forerunners). I was content with a more realistic story string & continuation of the Halo series but 343i did too much and also deviated towards unrealistic plot lines and science fantasy elements imo. And it seems like they may stretch the series thin with those "12" issues of Halo escalation. Not to say I don't like Halo escalation, it looks interesting (I haven't gotten a copy of the issues since I'm waiting for Mortal Dictata which will be my LAST Halo novel purchase). It seems like 343i is milking the series rather than supplementing it. That's why a lot of people said the series should have ended at Halo 3 especially after 343i's poor execution of Halo 4.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 11:48, 11 January 2014 (EST)

Halo becoming the new Star Wars was inevitable when 343i took over the handling of the universe. Not to say it's all bad, but all the inconsistencies and retcons they've created have been annoying. Not to say they can't be better, but as it stands now that seems a bit far-fetched. @Killamint: I have Issue #1 of Escalation and I found the storyline to be quite interesting.--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs} 12:02, 11 January 2014 (EST)

Edit conflict - I read that editorial shortly afer release and had a small chuckle at the writer's vitriol for the EU. He acts like only a small fraction of non-movie Star Wars is any good, conveniently ignoring KoTOR, the X-Wing multimedia franchise, and countless other highly successful and wonderfully written installments. Suffice it to say, I get that his real message is, "Too much EU ties the writers's hands for future projects," yet his comments come across as, "Ninety percent of the Expanded Universe is crap. Good riddance." As a long-time fan of the SWEU - I have literally hundreds of Star Wars games, novels, comics, and TV seasons - I'm disappointed that at least some of it will be thrown out the window. I can certainly appreciate the merit behind the decision from a creative standpoint, though.

My real point of contention is that Halo technically doesn't have an expanded universe. There has been only one contiguous canon ever since the Bungie days, although they kept shout outs to the books fairly low-key. It wasn't until 343i's takeover that intermedia connectivity became the name of the game. The biggest difference between Star Wars and Halo is that the the former is (first and foremost) a movie franchise; while the movies tell the core story of the Skywalker family, all the genuine wordbuilding has been through the hands of untold thousands of writers, artists, game designers, and so forth since Splinter of the Mind's Eye was released way back in 1978. Halo, on the other hand, has a much more unified creative focus, especially under 343i. One might even argue that continuity these days is too intertwined in some respects: I understand that a lot of people unfamiliar with the books had trouble following the story in Halo 4, since the novels laid the game's canonical foundation. The key difference here is that those stories are meant to bleed into one another (enriching the experience), while the concern about the SWEU is that different creative teams will inevitably want to go in different directions.

Of course, a younger series has less room for the continuity tangles that befall every long-running franchise. I'm not saying that Halo canon will forever remain as tight as it is today, but who knows? I'm with Subs in saying this: Time will tell.

P.S.: Initiation is an utter letdown, though I really like the Kilo-Five series overall. My beef isn't even with everyone hating Halsey, except for Mendez suddenly turning on her; after all, ONI can spin whatever lies they want about her and few will question them. Nope, it's the flash-cloning thing. Seriously, Miss Traviss, you make it clear (even in the same chapter) that you've read Halsey's journal, so why on Earth would you hinge the good doctor's arrest on a plot that comes completely out of the blue? Does Parangosky really have the gall to think that her approval of the S-IIIs is less morally reprehensible? If there's one thing I won't hesitate to admit 343i have dropped the ball on, it's approving that particular scene, at least the way it's characterized. --Our vengeance is at hand. (Talk to me.) 12:18, 11 January 2014 (EST)

I almost have to wonder whether Parangosky's hypocrisy was deliberate, that we were supposed to be outraged at it. Maybe I'm giving the writer too much credit. Mostly, I got bored with the Kilo-Five books.

On a more on-topic note, I think the sheer saturation of Star Wars, and the (mostly) carefully planned nature of Halo's EU are radically different. The SW novels have a...well, a varied degree of quality control. On the one hand, you get the magnificent Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn Duology, but then you get others, like the Jedi Search trilogy, where the characters are either badly characterised or outright detestable. I follow a similar policy to my Classic Who collection - read the reviews first, try to get a grasp on which ones are great and which ones to avoid. And then there are just the weird stories, that just don't fit, largely from the comics. As I understand it, the rights for the comic stories have changed hands many times, although LucasArts largely supervised the Star Wars games. When it comes down to it, all Lucas has ever really cared about was the films. Which is a fine policy in a way, since it allows you to discard everything without actually discarding it, because it was never "G Canon" in the first place, and focus on what's best for the movie. And even if that means Thrawn may not have existed in the next trilogy, I will be supremely gratified if it also erases something like the Yuuzhan Vong, which sound incredibly awful for Star Wars, or the Darth Caedus silliness. Marvel and DC have rebooted their continuities how many times by now just to keep things straight? I think it's about time Star Wars got the same treatment.

But with something like Halo, you just don't get that saturation or the contradictions they bring with it. 343's been surprisingly deliberate in its expanded universe entries, even if I haven't been able to care much about it since Nylund 's last book, while maintaining a solid output. The quality control has been much better - you don't have the Halo equivalent of Palpatine's mutant three-eyed son, the magical Glove of Darth Vader, or that time Han and Chewie found a planet of zombies and let them pass on. For better or worse :P

And regarding 70.70.8.253's assessment of Halo 2 - I actually think Halo 2's story is still the most interesting of the "main" Halo games, precisely because it tried to do different things. Many fans will disagree that it was for the best, but giving a Covenant's eye view of things made the universe feel more vast, and I still regret they reduced the Arbiter to a sidekick in Halo 3. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 19:40, 11 January 2014 (EST)