Editing Talk:Jonathan Doherty

==Pre-announcement Discussion==
Wait a minute, if this is the new guy, and we play him in campain, wouldn't that mean that he has no energy shields? Or not to mention motion trackers? Or is this going to be like a swat version of campain?--'''[[User:The evil O,malley|<font color="Tan">Bugger</font>]]| <sup>[[User talk:The evil O,malley|<font color="Blue">Bug Me</font>]]</sup><sub>| [[Special:Contributions/The evil O,malley|<font color="Purple">''Bugged''</font>]]
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:We don't know how it'll play, yet. We don't even know whether it's an FPS, or a Third-Person Shooter. Bungie have said we'll need to rely on stealth more, though whether this means a cover system or simply avoiding enemies is unknown. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 04:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::I would love a cover system. Energy Shields obviously wouldn't be featured, but the ODST [[Body Suit]] does feature a HUD, which includes a motion tracker and, as we saw in the video, a thermal sensor. These, combined with the possibility that the Superintendent may be helping him, should make it fairly easy to avoid most Brute patrols. '''''[[User:Spartan-055|<font color="orange">Lieutenant Baird</font>]]''''' '''<sup>[[User talk:Spartan-055|<font color="green">Comm-Link</font>]]</sup>'''''<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan-055|<font color="blue">Service Record</font>]]</sub>'' 04:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Cover system, like the Gears of War thing? [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bioniclepluslotr'''</span>]] 02:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

:::I've always loved swat, this is gonna be sweet!--'''[[User:The evil O,malley|<font color="Tan">Bugger</font>]]| <sup>[[User talk:The evil O,malley|<font color="Blue">Bug Me</font>]]</sup><sub>| [[Special:Contributions/The evil O,malley|<font color="Purple">''Bugged''</font>]]
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Grammar check! I noticed someone talking about how the gloves have no tips, so he/she can't function in a "compromised" environment. I don't think that's correct... someone fix it please, I don't like doing things myself. Also, I haven't been on in a long time, so I can't remember my exact username nor password, so here's my IP. :P   --[[User:72.84.128.210|72.84.128.210]] 17:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

In the a weekly update, bungie said that the video was made for them and not an exact representation of actual gameplay so its possible that in the actual game your character will have full gloves for non-atmospheric use.
[[User:Zuranamee|Zuranamee]]

Bungie said ODST was supposed to be a '''different''' type of Halo game, so wouldn't that make Rookie the Chief of ODST?[[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]]

That does not make any sense. How does them saying it will be different got anything to do with rank? [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 00:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Nah, ya got it all wrong, I meant Rookie might be like John and The Arbiter was in h3, the main characters [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]]

I hope that since the Rookie won't hit as hard as John-117 that he has a kickass combat knife!!!! I also vote for a cover system because if Halo get's one it WILL be the best game in the world[suck that gears]I also hope to be able to TOGGLE,yes,toggle between 3rd and 1st person views [i've always wanted to try halo in 3rd person]  and am I the only one who thinks that a Starwars BAttlefront-like halo game would be kind'a cool--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.67.67|4.153.67.67]] 23:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST

== Background change ==

The final version is different from the trailer version. I suggest someone should change it to what we've seen from E3.--<b>[[User Talk:-Ascension-|<font color="red">4</font>]][[User:-Ascension-|<font color="black">scen</font>]]</b> 21:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seven Reference ==

Isn't the fact that he's listed as enlisting on the date 0'''7'''/0'''7'''/254'''7''' and obvious seven reference? --[[wikia:templarsoftwilight:user:Kahn iceay|Kahn Iceay]] 02:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

don't forget '''25'''47 [[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 04:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

== New Guy Inconsistency ==

Although the Rookie is supposedly the newest member of the squad, according to their CSVs, Mickey enlisted later: the Rookie enlisted on July 7, 2547 (Bungie Day:-)), while Mickey enlisted on June 4th, 2548. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 17:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

:He's "The Rookie" because he was the new guy on the squad, not a new recruit.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 17:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

::That was pretty stupid of me. Never mind. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 17:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Locked? ==

I was just wondering why the page for the Rookie has been locked out so that not even established users can edit it. I don't have a problem with the lockout, page looks pretty good to me, and consistent with what we know so far. I'm just curious. [[User talk:Captain J|Captain J]] 01:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Locked ==

Maybe it's because we're awaiting new info on the Rookie, and so nothing just put there has to be deleted?(Yes, I am also clueless)--[[User talk:Turbogruntman117|Turbogruntman117]] 13:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== Source? ==

When it says that the rookie is a true silent protaganist, because he doesn't speak in the campaign, is there a source for that? We haven't seen the whole game yet. [[User talk:Sgtpickle777|Sgtpickle777]] 19:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

:In the ViDoc, Buck says that the Rookie "doesn't say much". {{User:General5 7/sig}}

"Doesn't say much" isn't the same thing as "says nothing at all". the fable series's main protagonists are examples of "says nothing at all".[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 04:25, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sure the Rookie will more then likely never talk because, well, he's not the real main character. His squad is. The plot of Halo 3: ODST will be conceived in their eyes, not the Rookie's. --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 04:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

If it hasn't been confirmed yet that he doesn't speak at all, we should remove that bit. As for the Rookie not being the main character, he's been confirmed to be the protagonist. We don't yet know the full extent of his relevance to the plot. [[User talk:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 16:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm two months late for this reply, but the Rookie ingame truly says nothing at all. --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

== Rookie Name? ==

Has anyone noticed that the Rookie's Service Number ends in 'JD'? These could be his initials because all the other ODST's Service Numbers end with their initials too. For example Mickey's ends with 'MC' (Michael Crespo). I could be wrong, but it's a fair guess?
--[[User talk:HELLJUMP3R 7|HELLJUMP3R 7]] 13:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

:Seems reasonable, but I have a feeling we'll never know his actual name (unless it says somewhere in that Halo Encyclopedia). --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 04:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

::Yes. The ending two letters of the service numbers are indeed initials, as [[Captain Jacob Keyes]]' is JK and [[Sergeant Avery Johnson]]'s is AJ. The article says "''Little is known of this Marine other than his initials being "J.D." (possibly for John Doe), ... "''. Where would the name "John Doe" come from? Is there a link or source? --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

:::john doe is a term used for unidentfied males, usally for the dead.

== How? ==

How is "the rookie is the main protagonist of the prequel and expansion of halo 3" trivia?[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 20:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

:The game is based on the Halo 3 engine, but during the events of Delta Halo. The Master Chief wouldn't have been there to claim main character title.[[User talk:Anoson|Anoson]] 16:36, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

== Strange Edit ==
{{Quote|The two letters at the end of his Service Number(JD) could mean "John Doe", a term used in the United States to classify male individuals, usually murder/homicide victims.|Anonymous IP}}

Um...okay? He's up, walking around, and fighting. Does he look like a murder victim? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 23:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

:John Doe has noting to do with murder its a place holder name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe --[[User talk:JacktheBlack|Jack Black]] 00:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

::Perhaps, but I still fail to see how its relevant or verifiable to the Rookie. As far as I'm concerned, its a coincidence. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 06:23, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

:::Should we remove it as speculation, or at least move it to a different section of the article? --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

:::I wouldn't include it at all. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:37, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think the "John Doe" idea is supposed to allude to the fact that the Rookie is sort of like a detective (the whole Film Noir idea), but there's no official source, so I suppose the John Doe thing is irrelevant.

[[User talk:Daget Sparrow|Capt. Daget J. Sparrow]] 02:07, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Then again, if the idea of "John Doe" was used, that would make the Rookie the 4th "John" in the Halo series, alongside '''John'''-117, Sergeant '''John'''son and Sergeant '''John''' Forge.

== The vs. the ==

People, please. This is Halo, not Homestar Runner. When you write this character's 'name' in the middle of a sentence, it's "the Rookie", not "The Rookie". We used to get this occasionally for the Master Chief, but for some reason people seem to be confusing the Rookie for The Cheat. [[User talk:Captain J|Captain J]] 01:18, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

: ... Now I'm compelled to use the integral article every time I refer to the Rookie. "Cover my six, The Rookie! Fire away, The Rookie! Why are you face down on the floor and not moving, The Rookie?!" :D --[[User talk:Kajex Firedrake|Kajex Firedrake]] 13:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

lol[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 02:22, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

== Drop Pod much? ==

Have you noticed that even if you play on solo there are still the drop pod locations of if you play on Co-op? Can someone put up pictures of all of them in the gallery? Or at least one? Thanks!--[[User talk:Mishulover69|Mishulover69]] 17:30, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

== Similarities? ==

in [[We Are ODST]], At the end of the video when we see Tarkov packing up the flag of the ODSTs, there are three other Troopers standing around. There is actually one who the camera focuses in on. This trooper says nothing. If I remember correctly, aren't Tarkov and the other ODSTs in the 29th REF? This would mean that one of the ODSTs seen at the video's end could actually be the Rookie, since the Rookie is stated as being one of the sole survivors of the 29th's last battle deployment. And based on skin tone and plot pertinence, the mute ODST the camera focuses in on could very well be the Rookie. WHat do you guys think?  [[Special:Contributions/71.166.87.224|71.166.87.224]] 01:15, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

:Highly doubtful about the mute ODST being the Rookie, since Bungie would not want players to gain a visual representation of the Rookie just based from an actor's face. Plus, Tarkov wasn't a character in H3:ODST, and it wouldn't be much of a chance that the Rookie would be included. You also noted that one of the troopers says nothing. If I remember correctly, ''none'' of the troopers say anything on camera. --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

It's a good theory though, based on the 29th REF story.

[[User talk:Daget Sparrow|Capt. Daget J. Sparrow]] 02:04, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

==Trivia==
''"The Rookie has no voice actor; he doesn't speak a word throughout the entire Halo 3: ODST campaign, save for assorted grunts and groans in the campaign, making him a true silent protagonist, unlike the Chief, who spoke freely during cutscenes, but remained silent during gameplay."''

Surely someone was recorded for his grunts and groans, unless they were scrapped from some other character's as well... :P --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

:I think they were referring to the fact that he doesn't speak a single word. I personally think they scrapped it from another character, because I doubt that Bungie would hire a voice actor to only do grunts and groans :P --&nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:General5 7|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:red; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;General5 7&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:48, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

::You'll be surprised what Bungie will do. I'd guess they got one of their employees to voice him. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 19:41, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
:::But hell, I'd still wanted to know, who. [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 14:59, 16 January 2012 (EST)

== Trivia item deleted ==

The addition I made for trivia was deleted. It was "*The only sound The Rookie will make apart from the assorted grunts and groans heard in gameplay can be heard only when the player has collected all the audiologs throughout the game. When The Rookie and Dare find Vergil, The Rookie will whistle to it."

The deletion cited "These two oppose each other". I don't really understand what they claim it opposes, how it opposes anything in trivia, and how anything there is wrong. Someone please enlighten me as to how it was deleted and anything I should change if I was to add it again. Thank you [[User talk:Tikalal|Tikalal]] 02:15, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

== Male/Female ==

How do we know he's a male? I mean, sure, he grunts in a pretty manly way, but without more concrete evidence, it's purely assumption. Seems like it should at least be mentioned in the article, or that the article only reference him in a gender-nuetral manner.
[[Special:Contributions/86.165.221.186|86.165.221.186]] 21:49, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

:Buck refers to him as a he when he talks about him in the first ViDoc.[[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 21:54, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
:we can deduce from his voice (which we only hear through grunts and cries of pain, but still) that he's a man, and characters refer to him as male from time to time.[[User talk:Capt Jim|Capt Jim]] 16:15, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

:Unlike a Spartan, his physique would've given it away. Not to mention the fact that in the ONI Candidate Assessment thing, when Romeo asks if he's a female, Buck says "no".--[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 17:06, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

== Xbox LIVE Avatar award proof? ==

I've beaten the game on Heroic and Legendary, but I haven't got the Rookie's helmet. Does anyone have any proof that there actually are any avatar awards in the game? [[User talk:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 16:10, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
*Never mind, I found out that the awards will be available when the Halo Waypoint goes live (and those who were selected for the Update Preview Program already have access to them). [[User talk:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 16:57, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

== Possible appearance in Halo: Evolutions? ==

In the story, Dirt, at the end, the ODST is constantly referred to as the Rookie. Could this be the same character?
[[Special:Contributions/70.94.248.185|70.94.248.185]]Natdogg1, first contribution

:I don't think so. The Rookie enlisted on July 7th, 2547 while the rook in Dirt is just a few weeks out of boot camp and the story takes place the same time as the fall of Reach. [[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 04:02, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

== Same problem as Lucy (Spartan III)==
Seems plausible that the rookie has the same post traumatic vocal problems as Lucy from S-III beta company. His entire group was annihilated, very stressful so he is now unwilling or unable to talk? He wasn't certified unfit for duty because if he can do better than the rest of the picket then he must be good, this late into the war the UNSC needs all good soldiers it can get. --[[User talk:CiaoGamer|CiaoGamer]] 09:24, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

:Buck saids in the first ViDoc that the Rookie doesn't talk much meaning that he has talked to Buck or someone else in the squad. More than likely, the Rookie just likes to be silent. [[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 15:27, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
::It probably wouldn't be the smartest thing to keep a soldier traumatised into silence on active duty. I can just imagine it: "Okay, Buck, here's the newest member of your squad. Just one thing, he's been traumatised into silence by everything he's seen and done, so if he sees that you're about to be outflanked or ambushed, or that one of your men has gone missing, he can't tell you. You'll also never know whether he's fully understood what you've told him to do, since he can't tell you otherwise." Yeah, a pretty dumb idea.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 15:31, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
:::The Covenant is on earths doorstep and running rampart in the inner colonies, the UNSC would need every soldier that they can get, if he is the sole survivor of New Jerusalem then he must be a talented soldier and why put him out to pasture? --[[User talk:CiaoGamer|CiaoGamer]] 01:22, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
::::I think he's just there for humor. He might just be silent so that we can put our own personality onto him. The master chief comes across as a gruff guy with a dry sense of humor and dedicated to his job. The Arbiter comes across as a dangerous, smart Elite out for vengence, with the same dedication. The Rookie? You can tell there's the same dedication, but that's it. He doesn't come across as a gruff guy, or focused on revenge, or ''anything'', really. He's like that so we can put our own personality on him. The best comparison in video games is probably Link, from the Legend of Zelda. He only grunts and whistles, just like the rookie. They could be ''whoever'' you want, and ''that's'' why they are like that.--[[User talk:LordGame|LordGame]] 02:45, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
:::::CiaoGamer, soldiers are only as good as the guy next to them, i.e: They'll always need help, no matter how good they are. If the Rookie can't speak, he's a liability to himself and his entire unit. If he sees that they're about to be ambushed, he can't warn the rest of the squad. If he sees that someone's gone missing, he can't tell anyone. If they're under attack and he sees a gap in the enemy's field of fire that they can exploit, he can't tell anyone. Buck wouldn't even be able to give him an instruction because he wouldn't know if the Rookie had understood it. He's essentially useless. Anyway, this whole argument is moot because as SPARTAN-117 said; "Buck says in the first ViDoc that the Rookie doesn't talk much meaning that he has talked to Buck or someone else in the squad. More than likely, the Rookie just likes to be silent."--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 13:51, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

::::::My name is SPARTAN-177 not SPARTAN-117.[[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 15:47, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

:::::::I think it's very plausible that after seeing his unit wiped out, the Rookie doesn't want to get attached to anyone and thus rarely talks to people, but he wouldn't be much use as an ODST if he didn't talk at all. Keep in mind that in the campaign he never finds himself in a situation where it would be necessary to talk, he fights alone or under Buck and Dare, whose orders he silently (and very effectively) follows.

::::::::It is possible that he just doesn't like talking, or that he was part of a unit that specialised in silent operations... hence his lack of speech, and the fact that "He silently (And very effectively) follows". [[user:Honor Guard Reborn|HGR]]

::People don't always mean exactly and literally what they say. Buck saying that "he doesn't say much" doesn't mean that Buck has ever heard the Rookie speak. And considering how talented a soldier the Rookie is it makes sense in this desperate war to keep him on duty despite his disability. Besides it's not like a mute can't communicate, you can say quite a bit with hand signals. I believe that noting that the Rookie may be mute from Post-Traumatic Vocal Disarticulation is worthy of the trivia section.[[User talk:EldritchWarlord|EldritchWarlord]] 01:59, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
It's possible since Rookie is the only surviving member of the New Jereuselum attack thhat he was shocked and became the type who doesn't get too attatched to his squadmates just in case that same type of inccedent occured again. He probablly does talk with his squad in convorsations out of game and in situations were it is needed ,but in ODST he isn't in the situation to talk, just think, because he is mostly alone deciphering clues about what happened in the last six hours he was unconsious. And it's probably to let the player feel as if they are in his shoes and to see how they would feel in that situation, like Gordon Freeman from HalfLife.- Anonamus

==Picture In Pod On Legendary==
No verification tag needed anymore, I checked, it's there.
[[User talk:Dr.Halsey|Dr.Halsey]] 19:56, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

can someone please tell me where in the pod the picture is?--[[Special:Contributions/4.152.165.74|4.152.165.74]] 20:23, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST

Bottom left corner. [[User talk:Dr.Halsey|Dr.Halsey]] 20:24, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--[[Special:Contributions/4.152.165.74|4.152.165.74]] 20:34, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST

Just because you said it's there, doesn't mean it is. Get a picture, or source for this and then you don't need  the "verification needed" sign. <font face="century gothic">[[User:Snore|<font color="#738678">SNOR</font>]]<sup>{[[User talk:Snore|<font color="orange">3</font>]]}</sup></font> 15:54, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh2ULkh9Gzk&feature=related Here] is a youtube video showing the picture.[[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 16:01, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of that picture, why did you guys remove my edit? It wasn't really supposed to be there since drop pods were ''made'' expendable and as one-way tickets to an atmosphere, so there's no point in putting a picture in it since there's also no point in "owning" one, since you just use it and lose it afterwards. So theoretically, you can't own one, just use one. [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 12:24, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

==Halo Evolutions==
I'm of the opinion that the private in the Halo Evolutions story ''Dirt'' is the Rookie.  He doesn't talk much, most of which is simply mumbling updates, and at the end he promises to do anything possible to fight the Covenant for every inch of dirt they took.  It seems that this story is kind of a prelude to Halo 3: ODST.  --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 03:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I thought about this too, but I don't think there's any proof of it.
--[[User talk:Dr.Halsey|Dr.Halsey]] 10:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

:I was just about to start a talk about this. I just finished reading ''Dirt'' last night, and from what I can gather, the two Rookies are the same. Think about it, it all fits. He is never referred to by name, only "rookie" or "rook", talks only when necessary, making gestures most of the time, carries a medical kit on his back, no backstory or any personal details are given, he is the only ODST survivor when the planet is glassed, he vows to do whatever he can against the Covenant, the planet glassed is never named so could very well be New Jerusalem, and at the end of the story he is told they are retreating to Earth. If that's not the Rookie, I don't know who is. The only flaw I can see, is that he is said to be a Private, not a Lance Corporal. Either, it was a mistake on the author's part, or it is a retcon, seeing as he is referred to as a Private in the VISR database also. I personally think they are the same person. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 15:21, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

::Isn't the word "rookie" a common nickname for new soldiers/military personnel? The other would be "greenhorn", I think. If you're new in a group, you are expected to talk only when it is necessary and make gestures instead of actually replying to questions/orders. Anxiety, some would say. Additionally, I would assume all ODSTs carry medical kits on their backpack though at a limited amount that is sufficient for one operation. Don't always assume Medics are the only military unit with medical kits.
::To skip one rank sounds unlikely. I would assume it is only possible if the personnel performed exceptionally well and beyond expected duties. To confirm that this "rookie" is really "The Rookie", we would need the date of when ''"Dirt"'' took place.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:42, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

:He could have been promoted on his way to Earth for all we know. [[User talk:Spartan 112|112]] 15:31, December 29, 2009 (UTC)


::I would not at all be surprised if i was the rookie. He was likely promoted on the way back as he was the only survivor. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 18:12, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

:::In response to the comment above by the unsigned poster, it is kind of ridiculous to assume he's a de facto medic because he used first-aid equipment; all modern Marines and Soldiers carry basic medical supplies. Hell, I carried a Corpsman's bag that I stole from the BAS that had all kinds of IVs and a defib kit. [[User talk:Griever0311|Griever0311]] 19:51, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

About the whole skipping rank thing, it's possible that he ''was'' a Private First Class. Almost always during battlefield situations, Private First Classes are referred to as Privates. So, if he was a PFC, he could have been promoted to Lance Corporal on the way to Earth. Another thing, is why else would the author go to the trouble of referring to this person as "rookie" and "rook" and all the other things I mentioned and ''not'' intended him to be the same character? Unless he was trying to trick us, which somehow I doubt. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 14:56, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ahhhh... this is just like the "Is Thel 'Vadam the Arbiter?" discussion. <font face="century gothic">[[User:Snore|<font color="#738678">SNOR</font>]]<sup>{[[User talk:Snore|<font color="orange">3</font>]]}</sup></font> 08:59, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

:The only difference is we ''know'' Thel is the Arbiter. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>
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::Anyone wanna get an interview with Tobias Buckell about this? :P --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

:::I think I will do just that. You can contact him from his website. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 07:29, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just noticed that last night. Seriously though, someone should bug him about that. It seems like he'd be the type of author to do that (especially seeing as how Thel 'Vadam was confirmed as the future Arbiter in an interview, but in The Cole Protocol it only implies it). --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)



From what I can find out about dirt on this site, it seems that rookie fought on reach while we have no proof that the halo ODST rookie was ever there.

:The "Dirt Rookie" is on whatever planet the story is on when they recieve ''news'' that Reach has fallen - presumably, if he was on Reach, they would already know. The "ODST Rookie" last fought in New Jerusalem, at Cygnus - is there any confirmation of what planet Yevgenny died on? For all we know, it could be Cygnus, making the appearance of an ODST referred to as Rookie all the more interesting. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 11:11, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I got a comment on my blog [http://goingrampant.blogspot.com/2010/03/examination-of-female-characters-part-3.html here] from someone who says he's Tobias Buckell, and that the Dirt rookie character is the one from ODST. Can it be confirmed to be legitimate? --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

:Well, it doesn't sound like a fake, but you never know. <font face="century gothic">[[User:Snore|<font color="#738678">SNOR</font>]]<sup>{[[User talk:Snore|<font color="orange">3</font>]]}</sup></font> 01:43, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

::Did a quick check and it's legitimate.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 01:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::How you did that, I have no idea, but it's been decided to go ahead and add the info regarding his role in ''Dirt''. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 12:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

:All I want to know if it is the right thing to do to put the information on the page so I am gonna become {{Neutral}} until it is fully confirmed. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|13:37, 2 May, 2010}}

:@Dragonclaws he doesn't actually state that "the Rookie" in dirt and "The Rookie" from ODST are one in the same, he just calls the caracter what he calls him/her in the story. Id like an actual statement on his site that the Dirt Rook and the ODST Rook are one in the same. --Chris-the-killer 12:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)

==possible name==

I remember playing the campaign, when your defending the ONI compound, and than I hear Mickey say, "I wonder how Johnny is doing?" in gameplay. Possible name?

[[User:Shadow Marine|Shadow Marine]]

Might just be, fits with the Rookie's initials at the end of his service number. Although it could also simply be a little joke put in there by Bungie, referring to John-117. [[Special:Contributions/193.134.242.13|193.134.242.13]] 10:39, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

:Not a lot of Marines know the Chief's actual name. But it is unlikely that Bungie would name both their current protagonists "John". But the rookie's initials remind me of [http://www.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Joseph_Daniel_O'Toole JD O'Toole] from GTA Liberty City Stories. Weird, I know. Arby116

==Trivia==
After looking over all the members of the squad, The Rookie is the only member who hasn't tampered with his armor or has a different variant. Dutch has painted his armor, Romeo's armor has only one large pauldron and goggles on the helmet, Mickey has an ammo belt around his right leg and tape on his helmet, Dare has the Recon variant, And Buck's armor looks mostly standard his helmet has an antenna on the right side. I think this should be part of his trivia as it shows that he might lack originality or prefers not to stand out.[[User talk:WolfMaster|WolfMaster]] 00:14, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
:The Rookie's armor has some custom paint.[[User talk:EldritchWarlord|EldritchWarlord]] 11:31, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Missing Trivia bit ==

A while back, there used to be a Trivia bit about how his last name was speculated to be Dante because of the many parallels of Dante's journey into Hell in ''"The Divine Comedy"'' in ''ODST.'' I'd like to return the piece, it sounded pretty convincing to me, but on a 2ndary note...

A lot of the trivia pieces are largely about the Rookie's character and speculated identity. I'd like to move them into a new section called "Identity" to help make the Trivia section smaller. Anybody else have a say on the matter?[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 15:41, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
:Nope. It is encouraged to do so actually. Just make sure to source them (and omit those without source).- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:45, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Subtank. I'll get down to work then.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 15:55, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Got the new section up. Feel free to fix it up.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 16:40, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

== TRIVIA ==

I think we should include a bit in the Trivia section about how he bears another similarity to the Chief in that they both start the game and end the game (or games, in the case of the Master Chief) while sleeping. Anybody else think so?

:I don't know, but in his HEV, I saw Master Chief flash for a second on the left screen on Normal.

== Naming ==

I'm suggesting that we rename it to '''Rookie''' instead. For one, I have not yet seen (canonically, but I may be wrong) an instance where "The" is capitalized. Every time we link to this page, we put [[The Rookie]], which looks unprofessional and is an eyesore for me. {{User:General5 7/sig}}

:I'd {{Support}} that. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

:This is true... You have my {{Support}} then. --''"Why am I here and what the hell are you?"''[[User: Yugiohtipman34|The guy who hates his username.]] 22:58, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Identity Section ==

Somebody says that playing co-op and using your VISR allows you to see the Rookie's face. Anybody else tried this?

And on a 2nd note, who keeps removing the section about "Dante?"[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 22:19, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Service? ==

In the Evolutions story, he had only been in service as an ODST for a few weeks, but in ODST, he had been serving for years.
Which is it.

Also, the "The rookie sleeps alot in the trivia is... unneeded, A soldier on the field gets sleep where they can, you can, never know when you next will be able to. And he had no choice when he was unconscious from the impact. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 03:13, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
==Medic?==
Is it possible the [[Rookie]] is the medic of the squad? In the end when they're all on the covenant dropship he inserts a needle into [[Romeo]]'s neck. This could mean he's the medic of the squad since he carrys the medical supplies and before that they had to resort to using a biofoam canister that they randomly found. Chris-the-killer 09:18, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

== Title ==

How do we know his name is J.D.? The only reference we have is his service number, which ends in "JD". But from what we know of service numbers, they don't always end w/ the person's first and last initials. For example, Maria Gilliam's SN is 00622-7120-RJ.

So basically, I think we should stick with the title "Rookie", which is the only canonical name he's ever had.

'''<span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: MidnightBlue;"> // [[User:Stryker117|<font color="MidnightBlue">ŝтŕγκęŕ</font>]]''' <small>[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">COM</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/M</font>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/S</font>]] ]</small></span> 03:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

:Changed back. J.D. could mean a multitude of things, namely "John Doe", considering the fact that I doubt Bungie wouldn't give him a name and then give his proper serial number. And as per Stryker, serial numbers don't *always* contain one's initials. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|August 27th, 2010}}

== Face ==

some one made an edit that says if you play on co-op you can see the rookies face,and it says he looks like Mickey. Is this even true.[[User talk:Legionwrex|Legionwrex]] 17:05, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

== 99.99 ==

I just realized that the %99.99 fatality chance of the Rookie's drop, as recorded by the Superintendent is probably inaccurate. The Superintendent is a city AI, and so his calculations would have been based on normal car physics. He would have only taken into account the structuring and collision study of everyday consumer motor vehicles. When the pod actually crashes, the AI refers to the incident as a "Motor Vehicle Crash". It has absolutely no data on SOEIVs and when scanning the pod, it comes up with "Vehicle Unkown". But we know that ODST drop pods are purpose built for outrageous crash landings. Of course if you dropped an "automobile" from such orbit the occupants would certainly be killed, an the Superintendent probably thought this was the case, having no knowledge of SOEIVs. Given the drop pod's design and function, I believe that fatality chance would actually be <%99.99. Now we don't know what it actually is, but we can't say %99.99 in the article or that would be false... unless of course we mention this. The article ''kinda'' makes this point, but not directly or clearly.--[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]] 21:20, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

:Good point, it had to be a significant percentage though, seeing as the crash knocked the Rookie out for 6 hours. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 23:41, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

We could just note this discrepancy as a side note. I actually thought the same thing when watching the trailer. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 00:00, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== The "the" ==

Per section title, I believe "the" is a case of an article that isn't part of the name and shouldn't be part of the article title. I've been playing ''ODST'' recently, and for the most part the characters in-game call him "Rookie" and not "The Rookie". So as per what we've done with the Flood, the Librarian, and others, I propose we rename the article to "Rookie".--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 12:54, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

== Unused voice lines ==

Poking through the game's files, in every map file which features the Rookie as a playable character (which is all of them but mainmenu.map, shared.map, and campaign.map), all the various grunts and pain sounds you'd expect to find are there. In the dth_drama section, however, there's three audio files in particular in which you can hear little snippets of his voice. Think it's worth adding to the trivia section and adding those extracted audio files as a source?