Talk:Halo 4

Legendary Planet

Ok so we see that at the end of Halo 3 that the Forward Unto Dawn (what's left of it) is heading towards a unidentified planet. We have an article about the planet. In the Halo 4 trailer, we see that John is awake and they are now REALLY close to it. The Halo 4 article should list the Unidentified Legendary Planet as the location for the time being. EchostreamFanJosh

Nope not Yet we don't know for sure if it's the legendary planet "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" 14:31, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

For all we know the FuD flew straight past the planet and found its way into a space station for the remnants of the Covenant.-- Forerunner 14:34, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Ok let's look at it this way. The Foward Unto Dawn is floating towards, what we have labeled it the Legendary Planet at the end of Halo 3. You're suggesting that by possibly the power of God, that the ship stops floating towards it and heads towards a completely different Forerunner looking planet. EchostreamFanJosh

I'm making a point - we have no idea how long it's been since Halo 3. I also don't recall seeing a "Forerunner looking planet" - I saw a beam of light coming out of an object that we see nothing else of.-- Forerunner 14:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Onyx wasn't made of rock, so no.-- Forerunner 15:33, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

since we don't have any confirmation that it is so then well leave it as such "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" 14:43, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Frankie hinted, or pretty much confirmed it on a G4TV interview (around the 00:45 mark) that it's the Legendary planet. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 16:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

So wait, were these guys just orbiting the planet for god-knows how long? Vegerot (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!

They couldn't have been gone too long, since Cortana would be completely rampant (or destroyed in the case of being gone for a very long time). People, sometimes we don't need a slap in the face word from the devs to confirm stuff. Halo 3 had a cliffhanger ending with them floating toward a Forerunner planet. Then in the new trailer, they end up being sucked in to a very familiar planet with a whole new adventure ahead. That's pretty much saying "yeah, this is the same damned planet".--File:PENGUIN4.gifFluffyEmoPenguin^{(ice quack!)} 15:25, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Not really, Cortana would have probably shut herself down as much as possible (i.e. Human Weakness) to avoid just that. And about what he said about the unlikeliness that they would find ANOTHER Forerunner planet; who knows how long it's been since we last saw the Chief? They could have been floating for CENTURIES, so it is not necessarily so improbable that they are at another planet. Especially considering how large the Forerunner Ecume spread. Vegerot.

• But at the other side, we DON'T know how long John and Cortana were underway when we watch the legendary ending...right? —This unsigned comment was made by Bdgroot-117 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Yep, we have no idea how long they've been floating when they approach the planet. Alex T Snow 19:08, 21 June 2011 (EDT)

M6G Personal Defense Weapon System

I can confirm it is used in-game because Forward Unto Dawn wouldn't have updated technology, unless somebody came on, and gave it to John-117 himself. -Spedster777, Administrator of the Saints Row wiki. 16:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Halo 3 didn't have an M6G that fired explosive rounds either, which is what the pistol in the trailer seems to do. It's way too early to make the conclusion that a specific gun will appear in the game, especially when all we've seen is a pre-rendered trailer. So please stop adding that into the article.--Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 16:50, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe 343 decided to screw us over and began to lay the nails in Halo's coffin. They're screwing all kinds of things over. -Whiskey Lima

I also added Trivia up there about what 343 did mess up with, but somebody removed them. -Spedster777, Administrator of the Saints Row wiki. 16:46, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Again, we only accept information that is sourced and confirmed, otherwise it is regardled as speculation. The sidearm may very well look like the M6 but that doesn't necessarily mean its the M6G. Edit warring is unacceptable, do not resort to it or the page will be locked down. If you disagree, discuss on the talk page and make a conclusion. - File:Major.png Nìcmávr ^(Tálk) 16:51, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Is it just me or did a rocket come out of that pistol? At first I though MC was just testing it or something, but after watching it about five times, I'm pretty sure he shot a rocket that blew up the wall ahead of him. Andrew996 16:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Could be a tracer. Furthermore, what prevents the Forward Unto Dawn from carrying explosive M6G ammunition? Just because we never saw the pistol fire explosive rounds in 3 doesn't mean it can't. It's the same calibre ammo.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 17:16, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

It doesn't look like an ordinary pistol to me - more like a miniature grenade launcher. Watching the trailer frame-by-frame, one can see the whole upper part of the weapon flip open when it's reloaded. The "attachment" part seems like it could be the grenade it fires. There's also a small display on the side of the weapon and "rails" where the attachment - or grenade - goes, visible near the end when the Chief stands up. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:17, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

It's also worth remembering that everything in the trailer is still pre-production - for all we know it was just artistic license SPARTAN-347 17:21, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Actually, the game has been in production at various levels for three years now as per Producer Ryan Payton, this trailer was using external CGI. User:CommanderTony/Sig

For the sake of completeness, we should remember that the M6 Sidearm series does indeed fire high explosive rounds, just not five-inch wide explosive canisters as the unidentified weapon apparently does. And I agree with Jugus: the weapon in the trailer does not seem to be a traditional pistol; rather it seems to be a cut-down or downsized version of a grenade launcher. As a side note, I believe it would also be beneficial to treat the "jetpack" as a hitherto unused integrated thruster pack designed for zero-gravity maneuvers in order to preserve equipment continuity. After all, except for Halo 2, we haven't seen the Mk VI MJOLNIR operate in zero gravity while under adverse conditions; and even in Halo 2, the camera was fairly far away. I know that there was never any mention of one, but we could have missed such a thruster pack's exhaust... Possibly. For your consideration, --Bruce2401 02:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Well those two bit that stick out of the back do look like exaust ports, and they've never done anything before, so it could very well be a built-in jet pack, that he hasn't needed to use until now. The grenade launcher looks like it's based off of the M6 series, and there are a lot of variants. Alex T Snow 04:04, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

^Agreed on the pistol/launcher Alex. The two are probably in the same series. Haha, anyone feel up for an M6-Doorbuster? I feel I should clarify my view on the thrusters: they would be specifically designed for zero-gravity, not as a "jump pack" like in Halo: Reach. They're easier to explain away in that case. --Bruce2401 07:08, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

It was my understanding that the pack on the back of the MJOLNIR Mark VI Powered Assault armor was the nuclear reactor that powered the assault armor (thus the name powered assault armor). But could it be possible that the reactor could vent a small amount of its energy, therefor "thrusting" itself like a thruster pack? And about that pistol. Guys, do you know how much 500 years is? I'm sure that the UNSC have developed ammunition that is capable of making an explosion that of a modern day grenade (or bigger, considering that that explosion happened in space)Vegerot (talk) 13:32, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!

*Sith'ari drools over possibility of .50 calibre pistol rounds with the power of 40mm grenades*. Does this suggest that the Semi-Armour-Piercing, High-Explosive rounds fired by the M6 series have a variable yield?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 13:36, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Wow, didn't think of that. *imagines a little computer screen that John punches numbers into to make a big explosion* Hell yeah! Vegerot (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!!

^ I was watching the trailer on a 48-inch screen at 1080p, the attatchment that John-117 places on the weapon at the end is actually another round, there was no traditional bullet. That thing looks to be at least two-by-five inches; I think we should treat it as some form of grenade and not a HE bullet. Vergerot: good point. If the suit vented some of it's energy by heating an onboard reservoir, NOT the oxygen supply, and then blew it out of those two ports then that would make a very effective T-pack. But the two vents that extend on on the dorsal side do need to be explained, so I would say the suit has an integrated thruster and does not merely vent gas to behave as though it does. --Bruce2401 18:49, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Or it could be both of them combined. Like the heating in your car, it vents the heat to it, and it heats the reseviour that thrusts the person. So it is not like it was something that John improvided on the spot (but you do have to give John some credit, I mean, he just woke up and then he did all that maneuvering and crap on the spot (and Cortana too, as she speeds up his reactions). Vegerot (using the iPad, and I can't figure out how to. make thet signature symbol)

If one were to read Ghosts of Onyx one would realize that all apartan armour has intergrated thruster packs.Sierra259 11:02, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

^ Are you speaking of how Ackerson got hold of Liutenant Kurt Ambrose by means of sabotage? Those were add-on packs, not integrated. If you're referring to something else please reply with a chapter number or something; that'll provide some much needed context. Thanks!--Bruce2401 01:14, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Plot

Well, it's obvious that John will be fighting in some sort of Forerunner shield world with Cortana along with him. But, I don't think 343 would be lazy enough to just say "Meh, we're gonna make him fight sentinels". I also don't think that they would center it around the Flood either, even though it would make sense to be fighting Flood in a mysterious shield world (i.e. in Halo Wars). So, my guess is that John meets up with the Forerunners who were either not wiped out at all and just hiding out in this (or numerious) shield world(s), or the last surviving population of Forerunners and they need his help to survive and such. My main uncertainties are if there is going to be an entirely new enemy and if the UNSC will link up with John and fight with him. If the game is going to feature UNSC weapons, yeah, some UNSC forces will have to show up because it's not like the all of 200 so weapons on the FuD are just going to scatter themselves across the planet in a gameplay-friendly fashion.--File:PENGUIN4.gifFluffyEmoPenguin^{(ice quack!)} 15:11, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Or, this "ancient evil" is something completely new to us.-- Forerunner 15:45, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Well, in the books, we have met a terrifying force other than the flood. One that either predicted the arrival of or created the Flood in an act of revenge. One of its members even unsettled the Didact himself. Precursors, anyone? --Bruce2401 18:54, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

possible, but unlikely. The Precursors (or the only one left at the time of Halo cryptum) had only ill-will for the forerunners, who seem to have overthrown the Precurors some time prior. I don't see why they would want to destroy the galaxy. Besides, the old one on Charum Hakkor ,I think, was absorbed by the Flood, but had enough mental strength to resist most of the flood's effects on it's mind, and became the first Gravemind. Mind you, that's all speculation on my part, but it seems the most likely answer. My bet is it's the actual creators of the original Flood strain. After all, aside from some four-year old symbology, there isn't much to suggest the legendary planet is a forerunner construct. 65.0.28.58 01:57, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

We don't really know anything about the Precursors just yet - maybe they really were malevolent (or at least had aims that were perceived as such). For all we know, maybe the reason the Forerunners overthrew them is because they had plans that would harm the galaxy. My personal bet is that the Precursors predicted the arrival of and sided with the Flood (which are the "inevitable future of the universe, after all), which caused the Forerunners to rebel. That would establish them as "bad guys" at any rate... That's just my thoughts, though, I'm probably way off the mark SPARTAN-347 02:10, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Here's a quote from the Charum Hakkor Precursor, after the Didact had discovered the existance of the Flood immediately following the Forerunner-Human War. "I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand" There isn't a lot of context to take from his entire quote but from the context of the chapter, where the newly-reformed Didact is contemplating the Flood's resurgence, we can guess that the "answer" may be the Flood. Now this is conjecture, but this seems to indicate that the Flood was made by the Precursors as an act of vengence. Maybe they had other plans as well... For your consideration, --Bruce2401 03:03, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Oooo, sounds interesting, and there was that whole bit where he told the humans where the Flood came from and they were so horrified most of them commited suicide. Pretty sure that's what happened. Alex T Snow 04:09, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I also support the Precursor theories, they seem like the most interesting addition to the halo games. Mcz117chief 08:56, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Exalted Obliteration and I believe that the Flood are actually the "transcendent" form of the Precursors. In this form, the Precursors are the perfect embodiment of the Mantle, which explains why the Gravemind seems fixated on peace, unity, and the like, as well as why it believes that its actions are necessary. By the way, this topic really should be taken to a forum; it's too speculative to remain on this page. --Courage never dies. 10:24, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I also believe that the precursors are the Flood, since the halo 3 line "Defeat is simply the addition of time, to a sentence I have never deserved." But it is just a believe. And maybe not all Precursors became the flood.85.71.235.7 13:19, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

This is a talk page for something we have next to no info about, and it's only the talk page. So long as we keep then main page speculation-free, I don't see why we can't all be excited and think about what they might do with the new trilogy here ;) Alex T Snow 16:34, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah the Precursors could be the Flood. I did not notice that the Gravemind was fixated on peace, but I noticed he was fixated on unity in his own sick demented way.--Theraptor92 09:22, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

I don't think the Precursors even have a slight chance of being the Flood, one is that the Precursors existed long before the Forerunners and as far as anyone knows, the Flood and Forerunners were contemporaries. And for a race revered like gods in the Forerunner religion, isn't it a little strange that they would be trying to exterminate their "gods"? 24.60.143.195 19:05, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

No, I doubt they are the flood, but I do think it's likely they created the Flood, judging by the fact that the last Precursor told some humans where they came from and they were so horrified they killed themselves. We also know the Flood came in ancient cargo ships from one of those mini galaxy things. Alex T Snow 21:43, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

^ Um Alex, I think you might be a bit confused. The humans sacrificed themselves to deliver whatever "anti-flood" measure they had come up with. And we don't know exactly what those cargo ships were. Theyy could easily be Precursor and not extragalactic.--Bruce2401 01:56, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

Nope, you're talking about the Flood cure, that was before, this was around the time Bias was testing the first ring on that planet. There was a prisoner there who turned out to be the last Precursor, and when the people there (or maybe they were Forerunners, doesn't matter) asked him what the Flood were and where they came from, when he told them the answer some of them were so horrified they killed themselves. Also the ships did come from one of the mini Galaxy things that orbit the Milky Way, they were really old and on autopilot. That was the first time the Flood came, when the Human beat them, not the second time, when the Forerunner's made the rings. All that info I got from this site, from the pages "The Timeless One", and The Flood page :) Alex T Snow 06:10, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

New info

It's found here: http://halo.xbox.com/forums/general/f/14/t/8274.aspx

I think it's safe to say it isn't canon until otherwise confirmed? But I do think it gives some nice stuff to talk about either way. Personally I like that plot very much, finally fighting other humans and possibly a new Alien race neither Covenant, Human, Flood or Forerunner :D. The Needle Launcher isn't something new, it has been speculated and cut since halo 3. --Thijsbos 05:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

It's made up. Confirmed by Frankie. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:54, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Chief's Armour

I'm just asking if it is worth adding a note about chief's armor to certain articles. I understand that artistic liberties have probably been undertakenthe trailer depicts an almost new or upgraded suit of armour (changed helmet, chest, gauntlets, legs, jetpack). As some artiles have speculative sections, I'm sure an educated, carefully constructed section in regards to this is necessary pending further information. SomethingDifferent 19:52, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

The rest of the gang.

I strongly remember that Kerin Travis was going to be continuing the Master Chief's AND the other SPARTANs' story. So from the trailer one could arguably assume that that series was scrapped. But the question is if the basic plot will be transferred. I honestly hope not, because if these SPARTANs take off their armor every other second I'm gonna have a bf (you got to see White Chicks, funny movie!). Vegerot.

The novel series is set after the end of the war, and doesn't centre around the GoO gang or John.-- Forerunner 00:12, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

If it's still happening at all, that is.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 09:25, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Just because Eric Nylund can write a bestseller in seven weeks doesn't mean that everyone else can. It took quite a while for Halo: Cryptum to come out after its announcement and the less said about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the better.-- Forerunner 10:10, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

Leaked Info

Maybe you've seen this already but a lot of unconfirmed info got on the internet:

 Halo 4 returns players to the story of the Master Chief and Cortana in the events that follow the conclusion of Halo 3. Players will experience an all new story and introduce a new roster of enemies and weapons to the Halo experience. Set against the top secret Forerunner planetoid known to ONI as Sigma 7, players will encounter a dark new foe and unravel more of the mysteries behind the forerunners and the Office of Naval Intelligence.

At the heart of Halo 4 is a stronger focus than ever before behind story telling and player choice. Players will be offered an unprecedented level of customization and a narrative experience never before seen in a first person shooter. On a technical level Halo 4 pushes the boundaries of the action genre by incorporating larger battlefields than ever before and players will experience conflicts that seamlessly span land, sea and space.

Halo 4 will expand the series trademark arsenal of weapons and vehicles beyond any other title so far. Players can expect fan favorites to return along with new additions.

Halo 4 will also feature the revolutionary new Arsenal Improvisation Mechanics that allow for menu-free, creative customization of weapons and vehicles in the heat of combat. Players will take their fight to a new level by dynamically tailoring their weapons and vehicles to suit any situations or enemies.

At the moment it seems 343 are focusing on the new and improved story and weapons system (of which the new AIM mechanic is only mysteriously alluded to) but there was some video shown that fills in some of the gaps. Halo 4 is set on a Forerunner planet that has an inner and outer surface that provides two distinct styles.

The outside is very industrial and features a wide range of hostile Forerunner tech and AI. The video showed space combat here. The inside of the planetoid is hollow and is sectioned off in to many tiers/bands (almost resembling Halo rings) that feature a myriad of natural environments not only resembling earth’s but many other alien terrains.

The video featured combat across a multitude of environments from space to mountains, plains and oceans. Presumably, ONI had been top secretly researching the planet for some. There are UNSC forces on the planet but they look really degraded and disorganized and it was implied that they may be divided into factions and warring with each other.

At one point we see a heavily modified warthog that has had the wheels replaced two kind of anti gravity devices. At another point the Chief is clearly sprinting which possibly implies a return of armor abilities. There was no sign of the Flood or the Covenant but at the very end of the trailer the ‘dark new threat’ was hinted at.

The video ends with the Chief standing at a dark cave entrance and from within can be heard some menacing gurgling and grunting. Cortana says “They’re coming back … and there’s a LOT more of them this time”, the Master chief then readies a new weapon that looks like a cross between a rocket launcher and a Needler and it focuses on his helmet and visor and a number of strange digital effects ripple across his visor then the videos ends. Any thoughts? BushWookieCamper

I don't think they would be releasing the storyline yet..."A Penny saved is a Penny earned" 15:05, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

I believe Frankie confirmed this as fake. Either way, we don't really learn much.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 15:10, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

This has already been mentioned in the "New info" section of this talk page. Frankie indeed confirmed it as fake. --Courage never dies. 21:51, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

New info from Frank O'Connor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FyEB5FhA8Q&feature=related This video is an interview with Frank, he gives some info about Halo 4 towards the end and offers a few brief tidbits concerning Master Chief's new look and mentions that the game is not immediately after Halo 3. I'm not sure how to go about adding this info to the article but I thought I'd let everyone know--Soul reaper 09:45, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

"An ancient evil that threatens the whole universe"

Okay, it definitely isn't the Flood. But that's the ONLY thing that pops into mind. Unless the Foreunners have turned out to be the bad guys...71.194.87.164 01:06, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

I know everyone's been saying it but, Preeeeeeecursors... or something new that we've never heard of before. Alex T Snow 03:07, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

TO be honest, it sounds nearly identical as the evil described in Marathon Infinity :) Mcz117chief 02:59, 1 July 2011 (EDT)