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Give Key a wig and the casting makes perfect sense.

I'm sure by now we've all experienced the Hunt the Truth not-quite-ARG for Halo 5. The general concept alone is intriguing but for 343i to bring back such an obscure character is nothing short of amazing - a great example of the plot archaeology I've come to expect from them. It's also thrilling to hear Keegan-Michael Key in a serious role. I'm so used to him being funny it's kind of a shock, sort of like Keaton!Batman supposedly was in the late '80s; I'm totally on board with the choice, though. And what's this about anomalies in deep space? I think we all know where Halo 5 is headed. --Our vengeance is at hand. (Talk to me.) 12:20, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

And I thought they had done something spectacular when they brought Petra to Escalation... Good. I like 343's choices. Imrane-117 (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

Looking at the site my train of thought went something like follows: "Huh, so there's yet another war journalist who saw the Chief in New Mombasa... Wait a second, 'Giraud'? That sounds familiar... oh, right." That is some genius reuse of an existing character right there, and the casting is indeed spot on as well. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 14:45, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

It's going to be curious to see what this "untold backstory of the Master Chief" will be. Will it be the same old child soldier story we've heard since The Fall of Reach? Or are they going to retcon in something new and strange? Or is what we'll hear even necessarily truthful? Who knows so far.

With Giraud now back, perhaps 343 will let us know soon what happened to Maria-062. Hopefully it won't be through "death by Catalog"... Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 14:30, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

I think it's a given that we can't take everything we hear at face value as this whole campaign seems to be about keeping people guessing. So even if they introduce some all-new backstory through Giraud's podcast it should take more than that to overwrite what we've known for 10+ years.

It's apparent 343i have become a lot more careful with Catalog, at least when it comes to revealing character statuses. It's unlikely they'll off anyone in a forum post anymore, though Team Black-style killings are still possible. I, for one, fear for the safety of Blue Team in Guardians. Though it's obvious they won't get as unceremonious deaths as Black did, it is possible that they're there merely as loose ends to be tied up. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 14:45, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

The choice of this particular person to break this story is hardly coincidental. Giraud's backstory gives a very clear example of ONI's policy of never telling the whole truth. He will uncover what they want him to uncover and reveal to the public. He and his readers will think it's some shocking revelation as ONI spoon-feeds him these "threads" that are unraveling the "mystery" surrounding the Chief; a mystery that they themselves created and maintained. We, the players will of course know more than Giraud or his readers, but I am certain that things will be left vague enough to sow doubt and uncertainty as to the actual truth, because the fact is that ONI themselves don't know the whole truth, now that the Chief has gone off the reservation. "Contain, Control and Investigate" is a time-honored tactic in the intelligence community: When faced with an unknown, you first contain the situation to prevent outside access and interference, then you control the flow of information related to the situation in order to conduct counterespionage and (if necessary) sway public opinion, all while investigating the situation in order to make as accurate an assessment as possible. If this ad campaign is well-enough conceived and constructed, then the newer players will be questioning the Chief's motives while the more hard-core fans will be left wondering if the inconsistencies they're seeing are actually that or if they're supposed to be deliberate obfuscation on ONI's part. To that end, I believe any new info will be intended to draw these old-school fanboys (myself included) in. DJenser (talk) 09:59, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Indeed. Giraud's "search for the truth" may come across as sincere but given his past activities we can't be fully sure about the veracity of anything he says. As an aside, I really liked that they used this opportunity to reintroduce Sully as well (in a way that didn't amount to "KIA by falling rocks"). --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 12:38, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

I'm sure if we ask nicely we can still get Grey Team killed off in a Catalog post. ;) Sith-venator Wavingstrider (Commlink) 12:43, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

Second Sunrise Over New Mombasa

With the Hunt the Truth campaign I was reminded of how much I like this story. Aside from being the first and still one of the few forays into civilian life in the Halo universe, the writing works very well for such a short piece and it's full of fun little details. The art is very outlandish but Moebius' signature style has a clear sense of identity and the visual storytelling is very well executed. And unlike in a more conventionally illustrated comic there's no ambiguity that the visuals are not meant to be a 100% accurate representation. In any case I don't think this story would've worked as well or been as memorable without Moebius.

If they're going to show Key as a live-action Giraud (which is perfectly possible) I'm wondering if they'll be keeping his blue hair, sleek one-piece shades (he'd had time to get new ones) and forehead patches. I've always wondered what those things on his forehead are supposed to be. They could be a futuristic fashion thing, something like tattoos, or (as I like to think) cybernetics or wearable computing devices that have to do with his job — perhaps memory or sensory augments. Halo could use some exploration of how the private sector has applied cybernetics, though from what we've seen they don't appear to be very widespread. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 03:47, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

Like a 26th Century Google Glass? Interesting... DJenser (talk) 09:59, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

New Hunt the Truth Trailers

Guys, you need to check these out right now.

{{#youtube:tHQiYPiNVEE|300px|right|Locke trailer}}

{{#youtube:9rd8FWUCCZk|300px|left|Chief trailer.}}

Alright, if you've watched them now, here's what I think.

OH MY GOD!!! So much information, but nothing concrete, just enough to set you're taste buds on fire, right? Me personally? Well, from what I can tell, based on the videos, whatever it is that Chief does, causes some sort of cataclysm. What that cataclysm is, I don't know. Chief seems to be upset with Locke, while Locke is just downright furious, and possibly resentful. What do you guys think? Siphon 117 23:00, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

This.

The videos seem to be almost exact mirrors of each other, much like the picture I attached. It's impossible to see which side is "true". I don't think this was meant to give us information, but more a general feel. To "set our taste buds on fire" as you put it. It seems like both MC and Locke are going to fight each other, and then realize that ONI is really the big bad (maybe with Palmer aiding them in her fight against ONI, due to her character development that resulted from her encounter with Halsey).

I was a little disappointed with the music. It was mostly atmospheric, so we didn't get anything like the ODST trailer, which I still love. Granted, it was amazing atmospherics, but still... --Weeping Angel (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

This is a pretty intriguing ad campaign, and it's showing a side of Chief we haven't seen as much; his ruthless side. It's sounding almost the opposite of the Believe campaign. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 03:45, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

I'm sure this has been mentioned by someone else somewhere, but in the Chief trailer, when he asks if everything "you've" done was worth it he's not looking at Locke. He's looking at the statue of himself and only turns to Locke after saying "Was it?" I'm thinking this is not accidental. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 09:09, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

The official summary from [news.xbox.com] states that "Peace is shattered when numerous colony worlds are unexpectedly attacked". Based on this marketing campaign, we are obviously meant to infer that the Chief may be the one doing the attacking. However, the same marketing materials strongly hint at misinformation being disseminated by ONI, based on a long history of their doing just that. This is clearly meant to create polarity between the various camps of HALO conspiracy theorists who take up positions on either side of that fence. Also, did you happen to notice that the destruction being shown in the background was more extensive in the Chief's clip? Proof positive that, when it comes to wholesale devastation, you just can't beat the Chief... DJenser (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

He definitely seems to be acknowledging himself. I still wonder if that scenario will have any relevance to the campaign(Either one). For some reason it seems like Locke's trailer had more emotion in it, as if its the one trying to prove a point. Like the OP said, Locke seems "downright furious".Kal825B (talk) 19:08, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Especially if he's swallowing what ONI's spoon-feeding him... There are 3 sides to every story: Yours, mine and the truth... DJenser (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, leaves a lot open to speculation. Obviously, being ads, they might not even have any importance to the story, only acting in a symbolic nature. So far as we know, Chief has likely gone rogue for unknown reasons, and Locke has been sent to bring him back. However, these ads seem to be pointing to the Chief be the catalyst of something, with Locke trying to either stop Chief, or preserve what the UNSC and the rest of humanity see the Chief as. All very interesting.Siphon 117 19:56, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Okay, I know these are ads, so we shouldn't read too much into their specificity, but I just noticed that John had 3 grenades. Check out the MC ad at around 14 seconds in Does this mean we will be able to carry more than two of each type of grenade, at least in campaign? I always appreciated having a lot of grenades in Halos 1-3. I hope 343i brings that back. What do you guys think? --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:45, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Episode One

So this was certainly an intriguing entry, and we've got some insight into the direction of the ARG.

My questions:

• Is Ellie not a fake, since Giraud found her on his own? If so, why didn't she say anything about John's "death"?
• Could Thomas Wu also be an ONI plant, meant to exaggerate the Innies' methods and spread anti-propaganda about them torturing civilians?
• Giraud and others appear to not be aware of the Spartans' true backstory, or even of their existence prior to the Battle of Earth. But why is that, since Spartans were made public in 2547? Is the lack of knowledge about their abduction meant to be a retcon, suggesting that Parangosky and Osman didn't actually reveal the S-IIs origins but gave the populace a false backstory? Maybe the true backstory was only revealed amongst the military? (as some of Majestic knew who Halsey was.)

My speculation

• Fellow Spartans will be interviewed. Or at least, folks who claim they're fellow Spartans.
• Giraud's search for how John "died" might lead him to Lt. Parisa, who has an account of that.
• The Believe marketing campaign will be canonized as a false account of how humanity won the war and how the Chief died.
• Around this time, Giraud's London contact found and interviewed a Grunt who claimed to have fought and survived against the Chief because he was "smarter, faster, stronger than the Master Chief..."

Also, Subtank, I guess you win that debate from six years ago about whether Kelly was that girl in the Starry Night trailer. :D Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 00:48, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

RE Spartan-II publicity: New Blood indicates that there had been rumors for a while that the S-IIs were kidnapped as kids (and in The Flood Antonio Silva is clearly aware of their origins, which I always found odd). According to New Blood, the info isn't public knowledge by 2555, though Musa does confirm it to Buck in private. The rumors are probably where Madsen's info came from (or maybe Musa felt like confiding classified information again), but the lack of a public statement would explain why DeMarco or Thorne didn't know about it. Then again, it could be that they released the info for those willing to look, but presented it as though Halsey had done it all on her own without ONI/UNSC oversight. Still, it's odd that Giraud indicates the Master Chief popped out of nowhere when the S-IIs had gone public years earlier, though it's probably just dramatization for news story reasons. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 02:11, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

My interpretation was that the Master Chief was just one of many before the Fall of Reach, not given any special PR over the rest of the Spartans, until there were practically no more Spartans left, and he had to become the focus. As for whether the public know about the S-IIs true origins, Mal and Vaz in Glasslands didn't know about it by 2553, and as far as I know the UEG was still holding hearings about S-II and III. Nothing to say ONI didn't lie to them, or even that the UEG would declassify the whole story to the public.

I do like the theory that the teacher was genuinely not an ONI plant, and that it signifies that John's flash clone survived. Mass Effect did the Evil CLone story well, and this is better - it gives the clone a backstory and motivation, and may signify that someone is trying to replace the Master Chief in a similar manner - either the Insurrection, to sway people to their cause with the Chief's mythos, or ONI itself, in need of a more loyal saviour or perhaps to perform false-flag attacks to keep them relevant in a post-war galaxy as the UNSC tries to transfer power back to the UEG. We're probably blowing ONI's cover story way out of proportion, but I like the idea. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 05:30, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

I recall Parangosky was planning to make the S-IIs and their files public as of the Kilo-Five books, though it's possible it was just for some government committee who then promptly decided to keep the whole thing under wraps (which would be the sensible thing to do, unless Maggie wanted to bring ONI and the UNSC crashing down with her).

Honestly, I would hate it if this turned out to be an "evil clone" story. Too clichéd and contrived. I doubt this'll turn out to be the case, though. I suspect the Chief was framed by ONI for the destruction Locke blames him for, or he actually did do it for some greater reason (the most obvious candidate being a Flood infestation). --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:47, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

I highly doubt John's clone would have lived that long, let alone be strong enough to knock out boxers twice his size with two punches. Daisy's clone living for another decade was pretty miraculous and even she needed a wheelchair. John's clone living to his forties seems highly improbable. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 11:52, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

That, and I don't think it's a coincidence that ONI's cover story on John's life involves him beating up kids bigger than him in a boxing ring. His stated age isn't an exact match with the Atlas gym incident but it's close enough to have conceivably served as the inspiration for ONI's prettied-up version of the events. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:59, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

To top it off, Giraud finds local government docs at the end which basically say that "John" (his clone) died at age six. What username? (talk) 13:17, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

There's something weird about that document... Every one of those names on that list appear to be in First Name/Last Name order except for John's... Some of them are admittedly quite obscure, but Meng & Zhen are both Chinese given (first) names, Tatsuyuki is Japanese, Hedegaard & Dagmar are Swedish, Milena, Vanja & Ondrej are Eastern European (possibly Czech), My is Vietnamese, Raimo is Finnish, Costa is Greek and Callum is Gaelic. Throw in Christine, Gastone, Conrad & Russel and you can clearly see that John's name is glaringly out of order on that document. Hardly coincidental... DJenser (talk) 15:28, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Actually, you're not completely correct; both Meng and Zhen can be surnames in Chinese (speaking as a person of Han Chinese descent myself), and a lot of the names you've listed are can be surnames as well; notable real life examples including Connie Hedegaard, Albert Costa (in fact, Costa is most commonly a Romantic language surname), [Ian Callum, and Kent Conrad. Additionally, a number of other names in the same column as John can be given names as well; Gara (in Azerbaijani, anyways), Lori, Evan, Betty (Anglosphere), Marek (Czech, Slovak, Polish), Marcelo (Iberian), and Eyob (Eritrean/Ethiopian).

That being said, the real oddity is the timestamp; it goes from 08:14 all the way to John at 09:01, and then starts over again at 08:03, despite the fact that each row is marked as being taken on December 7, 2517. What username? (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2015 (EDT)

RE Ellie: My impression was that she moved to another city/neighborhood and lost contact with him sometime before the kidnapping (she mentions that she wasn't allowed to use Waypoint as a kid), and just had a really good memory. What username? (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

This series has such stellar casting, both out-of-universe and (in the likely case that "Govender" is a plant) in-universe. It stands head and shoulders above the often stilted ham and cheese in i love bees and Sadie's Story. I can't wait for Parisa to show up - She will, right? - though I hope "Palace Hotel" isn't treated as the true version of "Metropolis".

The May 2547 version of the CAA Factbook presents a lie of omission: It portrays the Spartans as veteran Special Forces operators, making no indication of their true origins. As far as the contemporary public was concerned (those who cared enough to do a little research, that is) the Spartans of the day were essentially Spartan-IVs. I doubt anyone outside ONI would have considered the possibility that the Spartans could have such a seedy background; the looming threat of annihilation would be an immeasurably more pressing concern.

As for Silva, he commanded the ODSTs John killed and maimed aboard the Atlas. If ONI were willing to tell anyone about the SPARTAN-II program back then it would be the man who'd just lost several Helljumpers to a fourteen-year-old. Maybe the "kidnapped children" rumors were prevalent enough by 2552 that he didn't mind spilling the beans in front of McKay. John's lack of a reaction (even from his own POV) is rather odd, though. --Our answer is at hand. (Talk to me.) 09:37, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

I mentioned this to Tucker over skype, but the circular symbols on the top of the page here appear to be circular Gallifreyan, generated from a user-made font such as this one. HEADCANON: John is a TIme Lord, and his MJOLNIR is his TARDIS! :P -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 04:44, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Thought I'd put this here before I got any feedback, in case I'm being hasty. Meant for the trivia section on the Hunt the Truth article, but holding off until someone else comments.

• In the image containing purported evidence of John's death at the age of 6, the partly circular symbols visible at the top of the page appear to be circular Gallifreyan text from Doctor Who, likely generated using a fan-made font.

-- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 05:47, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Episode Two

So we have confirmation; Ellie did move off planet shortly before John's flash clone died, hence why she didn't mention anything about it. Also, is it just me, or did Dvorak (I'm probably spelling her name wrong) sound like she was voiced by Jen Taylor? It was around the end of her lines, but her accent seemed to diminish and she started sounding more Halsey-like. It's hard to describe. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 21:37, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

I totally thought it was Jennifer Hale.Sith-venator Wavingstrider (Commlink) 21:51, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I heard a bit of Halsey in there, but I could see it being Hale. - NightHammer (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2015 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure I hear Jennifer Hale. --Our answer is at hand. (Talk to me.) 09:19, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Agreed, I hear a lot of Hale in that. I quite liked it! -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 19:12, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

It's not Jen Taylor. Still waiting to hear back from Jennifer Hale. Jarmatus (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2015 (EDT)