Editing Talk:M6C/SOCOM

==Untitled==
On the bungie website a render of this pistol shows it having MODEL 6C on the side so im guessing its just a m6c with a square silencer attatchment and smart link scope added to it. Btw this is alexspartan117 i cba to log in :P thought id let u guys know. i cant change it coz i gotta go, otherwise i would. cya 

P.S below is the address to the image on bungie net

http://www.bungie.net/projects/odst/asset_popup_viewer.aspx?at=53&cc=29&item=8


It seems to me like they finaly have it right with the sidearm, high power, fire rate, accuracy and decent range. the scope seems a little stupidthoug. its a friggin pistol![[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 13:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== Locked article ==

Why is the article locked? The article is so far not well written with an unfinished thought. Detailing the usable 2x scope the fact that its smart linked and ammo capacity. We should get a gallery of other images as well(from Bungie.net)

:I've changed the protection level to allow non-sysops to edit. Not entirely sure what that was about. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::CommanderTony locked it earlier due to stupid edits. I was asked to unlock it and then relock it earlier. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 04:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Auto-Mag Info Declassified==
The M6C/SOCOM information has been declassified over on [http://www.bungie.net/projects/odst/guide.aspx B.net's ODST Field Guide]. --[[User talk:Avatar of Chaos|Avatar of Chaos]] 17:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

==M6G with a black finish==
Even though it is clearly a modified M6C, it looks like a black finish was simply put over the M6G model which makes an inconsistency with the location of the safety/decocker lever between the two models.B2 00:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Whaaa???? The G's laser sight (which looks suspiciously similiar to the KFA-2 x2 scope) is ''above ''the barrel, rather than ''under ''it like the SOCOM. The SOCOM's silencer makes the barrel noticably longer than that of the M6G. The SOCOM's clip is also extended to accommodate 12 12.7x40mm SAP-HP rounds, instead of the G's standard 8 12.7x40mm M225 SAP-HE rounds. [[User:Anonymous ONI agent|A.O.A., Delta-3 Division, ONI Section-III]] 16:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

== SPARTAN size ==

Can anyone please redirectme to any information stating that the M6s are bumped up in size to compensate for hte MJOLNIR Armor? That don't appear to be the case with any weapons in game, or  in other media. And as for the ~117% size compared to the "Non-MJOLNIR-size", this seems as a blatant lie, or at the very least extreme speculation, especially without any references at all. I'll change the article in a couple of days if not someone comes up with any information regarding the matter[[User talk:Warhead xTEAMx|Warhead xTEAMx]] 20:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The information is stated very clearly in the field guide on Bungie.net. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 07:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, my apologies. The information seemed fabricated with no references or sources on that perticular statement. [[User talk:Warhead xTEAMx|Warhead xTEAMx]] 13:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that just means it's not mass-produced in an larger scale. Technically a high ranking officer can commission a unique specialized model of just about any weapon or armor.~~A.O.A~~ 03:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

== Laser Module  ==

The laser module portion of the weapon isn't just the laser sight attachment. Remember, you can zoom in with the M6C SOCOM. So it uses a amplification scope, not a laser. But the laser is still there. The laser is "stacked" above the scope at the bottom of the attachment. It's obvious once you look at it. In that case the Laser Module page should be renamed and rewritten, too. Call it Laser/Scope component or something. Just saying laser module implies just the laser sight.--[[User talk:Halofighter92|Halofighter92]] 05:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

isn't the SOCOM the first gun you get in the first 2 metal gear solid games?

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::SOCOM in general refers to the U.S. '''S'''pecial '''O'''perations '''Com'''mand, but can also refer to the weapons they've adopted (or variants that they use specifically- in this case, the inherent sound suppressor and laser sight setting it apart from civilian and other general military variants).--[[User talk:Kajex Firedrake|Kajex Firedrake]] 07:00, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
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::Technically, in this case it's the ''UNSC ''Special Operations Command. Firearm variants used, issued, and/or commissioned by the Special Operations Command generally have /SOCOM added to the name.[[User:Anonymous ONI agent|A.O.A., Delta-3 Division, ONI Section-III]] 16:04, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

== Something Funny ==
This may seem wrong to some, but I just thought of something kinda funny about the Halo pistols. In the original, we have God's own anti-son-of-a-bitch machine. In Halo Deuce, we saw it's feminine side (Either that or it got castrated). In the third, we get a REIMAGINATION of God's gun, but he needs some more work. Now, we have the prodigal son of God's Gun. What do you think we'll get in Reach?
:Wha... I thought I signed this. Oh well.--[[User: Modern day Vercetti|The Vercetti]] 02:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::lawlwut? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 02:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It was some spur-of-the-moment thinking and some thing I had heard in Halo 2 and 3 matchmaking (specifically Team SWAT). I know that they're different models, but it was too funny NOT to type.--[[User: Modern day Vercetti|The Vercetti]] 01:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, in the Halo: Reach trailer, the pistol shown looked a lot like the Halo 3 version. So I hope its not the "REIMAGINATION" of god's gun again, becease I'm sick of pistols with no scope. --[[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color:gray">ULTRA FORCE</span>]] 18:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Asian Characters on Laser Module ==

I have noticed the asian characters on the laser module on the RIGHT side is only Korean, only backwards (BOTH of the characters are Korean). I corrected the mistake, only to be reverted. Is there any source that any of these two symbols are Chinese? [[User talk:Jeffrey3732|Jeffrey3732]] 17:11, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
::Your previous edit was unclear. I've made adjustment to the article.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:02, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much. =] [[User talk:Jeffrey3732|Jeffrey3732]] 18:04, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
::::Rawr, the very fact that I am Chinese and I can read and recognize the characters as Chinese characters is your source, my good sir. ;) Actually, you are partially correct. The left character is ''"shi"'' in Chinese, which means "It is" or "Is". The right one is a Korean character. (Sadly, not all Asians are the same, so I am unable to read that.) {{User:Blemo/Sig}}

==Name Change (Spell out SOCOM)==
Due to our article naming policies that tend to spell out several abbreviations (e.g. [[SRS99D]] is [[Sniper Rifle System 99D Anti-Material]]), I was wondering if "M6C/SOCOM" should be spelled out to "M6C/Special Operations Command", which seems a bit weird to put on a handgun article, since people might mistake the weapon as some sort of organized fighting force. Anyway, just a thought. --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}

==Suppressor==
I'm trying the label the parts of the M6S (e.g. compensator, flashlight, laser sight, etc.), but I can't seem to physically find the suppressor on the M6S, as the M7S has a conspicuous suppressor seen attached to its barrel. Is the suppressor ''inside'' of the weapon, or is it just because this is a weapon of the future? --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}
:The weapons all throughout the Halo universe are BLAMed up.[[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 11:23, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
::Heh, yeah... --{{User:Blemo/Sig}}
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::The silencer conforms to the shape of the gun. The laser sight is attached to it.[[User:Anonymous ONI agent|A.O.A., Delta-3 Division, ONI Section-III]] 16:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
:::If you're saying the guns in the Halo universe are messed up because one suppressor is integrated and another is an attachment...you don't know much about guns. Look up integrated suppressors, I saw a Ruger 10/22 model the other day with a suppressor integrated into the barrel...on a civilian small game rifle of :::the 21st century. It is very feasible. That said, suppressing a .50 round in a long rifle can be effective, but with the short effective range of a pistol, the effectiveness of suppressing one is questionable... {{unsigned|38.100.119.106}}

::::Another example of an integrated suppressor would be the MP5-SD submachine gun.<b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 07:49, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Similarities ==

Hmm. Doesn't this weapon seem familiar to any of you guys, like you've seen it from somewhere before other than Halo? I could have sworn I've seen a weapon kinda like this from Star Wars somewhere. I'm not talking about the Original Trilogy, there's a lot more to Star Wars than that. I think it was used by some commando guy but I'm not sure. I'll do some searching to find out.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 00:30, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
:You mean the DC-15S Blaster Pistol?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 00:38, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
*Yes, that was it and it was used by clone commandos, the Star Wars equivalent of an ODST. Sould the similarity be included in this article's Trivia section?--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 00:53, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
::Knock yourself out and just do it profesionally,you know add a link to wookieepedia, so the Admins and Rollbackers(Me) don't revert it.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 01:04, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
*Why did they delete my edit?--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 15:59, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
*Probably because, such a gun form is quite common in how it looks, it's pretty much a standard pistol with slight texture differences, al pistols are gonna look similar to that basic design. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 21:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

== Is this really the best of all three? ==

Seriously, its great at pulling off headshots and the firing rate is quite impressive. But that said, after firing about 3 shots the reticle goes up like an SMG, and it easily  takes 2-3 clips to take down a brute. This is more of the Halo 2 pistol, retextured and with a silencer on it.--[[User talk:Hypnocake|Hypnocake]] 00:40, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
:M6D is probably the best of all the pistols,well at least most people would think...and Bungie XD.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 00:43, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
::Also, solely using the pistol to take down a brute is rather stupid.Your best bet is to hit 'em with the SSMG and finish them off with a headshot from the automag, mirroring the Assault/Battle Rifle relationship from the basic Halo 3. [[User talk:Werewolfhell|Werewolfhell]] 18:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

== Ammo type ==

The ODST field guide at B.net says the SOCOM uses the [[M225 Semi-Armor-Piercing High-Explosive]], however, the pistol's ammo packs (I found two by what I think is Romeo's drop pod; the one in the middle of a courtyard somewhat close to [[Tayari Plaza (location)|Tayari Plaza]]) say it's the [[M228 Semi-Armor-Piercing High-Penetration]] round. Despite Bungie's description, I feel the SAP-HP round is what the gun actually uses, as it's consistent to the damage it deals to units in game; it takes a good number of non-headshots to drop a Grunt, an obscene amount to drop a shielded Brute, and has virtually no stopping power.[[User talk:P0lar bear|P0lar bear]] 09:03, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

== M6S ==

From a firearms point of view, the M6C has almost nothing in common with this and the rest of the M6 series, only being aesthetically similar. Halo 2's M6C is very much like the real life [[Wikipedia:Jericho 941|Jericho 941/Baby Eagle]] in relation to the [[Wikipedia:Desert Eagle]], and I'm going to copy something from the Desert Eagle page that basically sums up what I'm trying to say:

"Magnum Research has marketed various versions of the short recoil Jericho 941 pistol under the Baby Eagle name; these have no functional relationship to the Desert Eagle and bear only a moderate cosmetic resemblance."

Okay, now let's try that again:

"'''Bungie''' has marketed the '''M6S''' pistol under the '''M6C/SOCOM''' name; these have no functional relationship to the '''M6C''' and bear only a moderate cosmetic resemblance."

While Bungie may have decided to call it the M6C/SOCOM, and therefore, it is canon, this makes no sense at all. Of note is that Buck refers to it as the M6S, and the special forces version of the M7, as the M6S and M7S respectively. As a matter of consistency, the M6 and M7 both do not have nearly enough variants to get to "S", so it's obvious it was chosen to show that they are the suppressed variants. From a UNSC standpoint, regardless of the funtion of the weapons, it just makes sense that they're both "S". Modern/Halo military designations are almost always consistent, and it ''should'' be possible to assume that a perminatly suppressed version of any other UNSC firearm would get the "S" designation, like MA5S or SRS99S. Sadly, as it stands, we can't.

I'm not saying M6C/SOCOM isn't canon. It is, but it shouldn't be. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:47, 6 March 2012 (EST)

::Not only does Buck call it the M6S, but the ODST manual does as well, while Bungie's site is the only place with the inconsistent M6C/SOCOM designation (and the main title there is "Automag"). I'll see if I can get an official response on this. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:07, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, M6C/SOCOM is used instead of M6S in ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide''. Dutch's page (53) has a callout. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 20:29, 5 August 2014 (EDT)

::::The [[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]] also lists it as the M6C/SOCOM.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 21:20, 5 August 2014 (EDT)