Template talk:Armor infobox

Not really necessary

While I appreciate the effort, I don't think this infobox is necessary for the wiki's armour permutation articles. For the most part, the reason is essentially because of the short-length nature of the articles themselves: compared to those with quite a history (such as the Mk V and ODST), most of the armour articles are very short. The short-length nature of these articles, contrary to what users might consider to be stubbed and/or requires expansion, is already helpful to the articles' presentation in such a manner that everything known about the armour permutation is already available to readers. To introduce the infobox to an article that has already provided short, concise information does not enhance or assist the readers in presenting a good summary; rather, what it does is introducing repeated information in a redundant manner (a good example would be the first article to ever use this infobox).

It should be reminded that infoboxes are not necessary for every wiki article; it is necessary only to assist readers to identify key information at a glace. This infobox, in my opinion, does not fulfill that purpose. I don't it is necessary to be implemented in articles. — subtank 15:37, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

Ugh, I just saw this a few seconds ago. Now I edited a bunch of pages... I tried checking the activity on halopedia to see if the was somethi f said or progress but I didn't notice this until a bit ago. The EVG has several bits of content that would make the armour articles longer, even game specific stuff lacks in certain articles. Well although I like the infoboxes, I suppose it's not my call to make. I'll stop editing the pages for now. Pardon my dust... Erickyboo (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

I for one think that we should use this infobox (if I wasn't stuck on a tablet and therefore with limited copy paste functions I'd have added some myself). However, let's try some of the larger armor articles like Mjolnir Mark V or Mark VI, and see how it looks. Also, If we can expand article information, go right ahead. -- SFH (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

Honestly, I would love to have an infobox for the armor pages, but I am inclined to agree with Subtank. The infobox is more or less rendered useless due to the size of the page and how easily it is to locate the information that is present in the infobox. However, I do not own the EVGs, so if they do contain enough information to length the page to a decent degree, then it may be useful to keep the template. At the time, we could possibly just use the template on pages like the ODST armor or MJOLNIR Mk V, instead of the different variants. Although that would be rather inconsistent. - NightHammer (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm not so sure. Having observed it in articles, the infobox does actually fill its purpose (conveying basic info at a glance) quite well. There is the matter of redundancy, which is admittedly pronounced in short articles, but it tends to be there every time an infobox is involved. As for using Wikipedia as a role model, they have infoboxes for far sillier kinds of topics. Hell, even Wookieepedia uses an armor infobox (they have one for assorted items too) and they haven't imploded due to the sheer redundancy of information. Same goes for both Essential Visual Guides, so it's not like there's not plenty of precedent. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 23:49, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

(reset indent) Firstly, anyone can make a template and they can do so without ever requiring permission. The only guiding principle that I always remind to others when doing so is to avoid template creep. I don't always see the need for an infobox unless the article itself is so lengthy that readers would be lost in finding out the key information and would eventually give up in finishing reading the article. As of right now, most of the armour permutation articles themselves don't require this infobox, save for the ODST, Mk V and so on. Inconsistency should not be much of a worry as long as the general flow remains consistent. I would just like to remind that we have a similar practice with the website infobox: only a handful of articles have this infobox while others, due to their short length, look fine without one. If we could just relegate the template to only articles with considerable length, I guess that would be a workable option.— subtank 07:15, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

An additional note. Given the general title of this infobox, I assume that this template will also be used for other armour articles and is not exclusive to MJOLNIR armour articles. This is a potential issue as the current parameters in this infobox could not properly serve other armour articles. However, if the usage is only limited to MJOLNIR articles, then I would suggest renaming it.— subtank 07:33, 22 June 2014 (EDT)