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#'''Strong Support''' - as per above reasons. Good Luck! [[User:Simon_rjh|'''simon''']] [[User_talk:Simon_rjh|'''rj''']][[Special:Contributions/Simon_rjh|'''h''']]File:rjh.jpg|30px]] 08:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Very Strong Support''' If he's an admin Halopedia will have much more order, unlike now where someone has made Halopedia Black!--[[User:Spartan781|'''Spartan-781''']] File:Seaman.png|25px]] [[User talk:Spartan781|Comm]][[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|CSV]] 09:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Support''' - Manticore will be a good admin, and makes more sense IMO than some other admins. '''[[User:HaloDude|What]]''' [[User talk:HaloDude|'''did''']] [[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|'''HaloDude''']] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:Halodude|'''Do!?!''']] 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Support''' - Manticore will be a good admin, and makes more sense IMO than some other admins. '''[[User:HaloDude|What]]''' [[User talk:HaloDude|'''did''']] [[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|'''HaloDude''']] [[halofanon:User:Halodude|'''Do!?!''']] 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Strong''' Manticore does prove himself as a capable admin. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 13:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#'''Support''' Already does wonderful work on the community management front, will be an excellent admin --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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#I don't think that you would be a good choice for admin. I believe that you need to be more active. Which you are active, don't get me wrong, but be more active. Plus you aren't very community oriented, if you get what I mean.--'''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 19:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

#I don't think that you would be a good choice for admin. I believe that you need to be more active. Which you are active, don't get me wrong, but be more active. Plus you aren't very community oriented, if you get what I mean.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 19:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

::'''Comment against H*Bad''':Nope, he's very hardworking and he's '''very, very''' active in the community. It's just that you didn't see what he did. I can tell you, Manticore is a very experienced user, and will DEFINITELY make a good admin. --[[User:Spartan781|'''Spartan-781''']] File:Seaman.png|25px]] [[User talk:Spartan781|Comm]][[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|CSV]] 13:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::'''Rebuttle''': If you check Manticore's contributions, you'll find that counting back 500 edits will get you only to July 23. He's on every evening (NA evening) and participates in the chat regularly with the handful of people on at that hour. I don't mind the comment about whether he's community oriented part (you're entitled to your opinion), but anyone who says he isn't active isn't paying attention. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 19:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:::(Should probably of reworded what I said, sorry. :P)Anyways, what I mean is, that he needs to do something that will put him over the top, like do something major for Halopedia. Not sure what, but something major.--'''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::(Should probably of reworded what I said, sorry. :P)Anyways, what I mean is, that he needs to do something that will put him over the top, like do something major for Halopedia. Not sure what, but something major.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::::It's not like he doesn't try. He was the one that announced the change to bring about 5 Councilors on CoH - not sure what his involvement was for that behind the scenes. He was the one that started the ball rolling on the Sentinel program for the MoH - though that was put on hold so that we could spend more time analyzing it. He also tried to bring about several new operators though those also got rejected by GPT. I fail to see how he hasn't done anything "big". --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 04:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::Well, in my personal opinion, those usergroup changes, while notable, weren't exceptional. What was exceptional was his drafting of policy that was unanimously accepted by the administration, his hard policy on fan fiction, and his good understanding of community dynamics. =] Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|'''RelentlessRecusant''']] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|TALK]] • [http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new MESSAGE] 16:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

H*Bad - was this matter resolved on IRC? Just wondering 'cause the new information you got seemed to suggest that. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 04:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, '''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

::I don't expect Manticore to be perfect, nor do I think for a sec that he would be forgiving. I've had my problems with the way he does things and I've challenged him for it before. However, that doesn't mean I think he can't do his job. He will do it, and he will perform admirably. I will and have stuck up to RR and GPT publicly and privately on several occasions. I have and continue to press them on issues of how they deal with the community, how they can improve the way they handle situations, etc. However, Manticore is already a community leader (as is Ryan, but that's beside the point and it isn't about which of these two is better), and his style of moderation is already applied. He already is contributing to the administrative and moderation duties of Halopedia and doing things like sending greetings to members. Unlike Ryan, if Manticore were handled the crown of Administrator, he really would only be getting access to a few extra buttons because of his existing social status within the community. From a social perspective, Manticore practically is an administrator already. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 22:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I don't particuarly want to drag anyone into the mud, nor do I want to get into a debate, but perhaps you should check these 2 diffs H*bad: [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Manticore&diff=next&oldid=138639] [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AED&diff=141342&oldid=141339]. -- [[User:Manticore|'''Manticore''']] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] [[User talk:Manticore|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|CSV]] | [[Halopedia:Requests for Adminship/Manticore|RfA]] 23:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, '''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::What the heck is with this BS concept that Ryan and Manticore can only be admins at the exclusion of the other? The administration team could either reject or take both of them by the time the voting is done based upon the decisions of this administration team. Of course RR and GPT prefer Manticore over Ryan, but they won't make their decision on Ryan based upon whether Manticore got in or not - they'll make their decision based upon the merits and concerns raised regarding Ryan and the the degree of community support for Ryan. This isn't a first past the post issue. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--'''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:So, just to clarify: you're voting against me, because you think I'm qualified to do the job, but you'll change your mind if everyone else does? O_o -- [[User:Manticore|'''Manticore''']] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] [[User talk:Manticore|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|CSV]] | [[Halopedia:Requests for Adminship/Manticore|RfA]] 09:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:It is the Sysop's decision, not the final vote, that decides whether an RfA passes. It is the right of those who's RfA's have been submitted to know where they stand with the Sysops and know what issues the Sysops have with them. Look at RR's RfA: all 4 Sysops at the time voted against him - but they gave him many points worth considering and thinking about. Despite that, the community supported RR - just as the community has supported Ryan despite the disapproval of the Sysops.

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::With all due respect, H*Bad, your insinuations against Manticore are completely unfounded. These suggestions that he is a repeat vandal/conspirer are denigrating, and only serve not to sully his reputation, but begin to hold in question the judgement of the user stating these accostings. To Manticore, I offer my fullhearted trust, and I offer the strongest support possible for his RfA, and hold all hopes that it will be concluded shortly. I would also like to remonstrate that ''Wikia is not a democracy'', even by Wikia regulation. The RfAs are chosen by the opinion of the "current administration" only, and no other body. The community, however, plays a significant role at Halopedia in advising the administration on how to proceed with RfAs, which is why a community vote is maintained in the first place, and why the results are valuable to advise the current administration. However, all RfAs do not imperatively depend on the vote count, and are subject to the opinion of the current administration, with advisory comments from the community. Apologies if this post was redundant, of if it was offending to H*Bad, but I believe this is a particular spacetime coordinate for me to make my statement. Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|'''RelentlessRecusant''']] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|TALK]] • [http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new MESSAGE] 01:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:::'''Addendum''': Not to mention Manticore is essentially the "night shift" at Halopedia, and spends 6-8 hours during his day (our sleeptime) on the IRC, active. =] Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|'''RelentlessRecusant''']] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]] [[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|TALK]] • [http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new MESSAGE] 01:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Why are you guys so wanting to get me to vote for this guy, that you guys go so far as to saying that I am being stupid for not voting for him. This is just a simple matter of not wanting him in office, because he is so endorsed by the Admins that he can't lose. Manticore, I have nothing against you, I just have against that the Admins endorse you more than they endorse Ryan. If the Admins would stop endorsing Manticore, then I will vote for him. Simple as that. And Relentless, you should know better, although after last (nights?) discussion I guess not. And Forgottenlord, the reason I have changed my story is because I have found a new thing to not like about Manticore.--'''[[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[~~w:c:~~halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 12:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Why are you guys so wanting to get me to vote for this guy, that you guys go so far as to saying that I am being stupid for not voting for him. This is just a simple matter of not wanting him in office, because he is so endorsed by the Admins that he can't lose. Manticore, I have nothing against you, I just have against that the Admins endorse you more than they endorse Ryan. If the Admins would stop endorsing Manticore, then I will vote for him. Simple as that. And Relentless, you should know better, although after last (nights?) discussion I guess not. And Forgottenlord, the reason I have changed my story is because I have found a new thing to not like about Manticore.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])''' 12:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::Quite simply: you are saying you've got something against Manticore. You are disrespecting Manticore. You are taking a private war against the admins and punishing an excellent person because of it. I don't care if you vote against a person, I do care if you vote against the person for reasons that either don't make sense or are just plain wrong. Thus far, you've hit that marker many times for your many different arguments.

:::::I support people who say they aren't voting for a person because they don't like them, because they don't trust them, because they don't want to have to be on a community where that person is an admin. I support people who go into much more detailed explanations of the flaws of such an individual. It's not that you're stupid for not voting for him, it's just that your reason for not voting for him is stupid.

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 #'''Strong Support''' - as per above reasons. Good Luck! [[User:Simon_rjh|'''simon''']] [[User_talk:Simon_rjh|<font color="red">'''rj'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Simon_rjh|<font color="green">'''h'''</font>]]File:rjh.jpg|30px]] 08:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 #'''Very Strong Support''' If he's an admin Halopedia will have much more order, unlike now where someone has made Halopedia Black!--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] File:Seaman.png|25px]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black">Comm</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black">CSV</font>]]</sub> 09:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
-#'''Support''' - Manticore will be a good admin, and makes more sense IMO than some other admins. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">What</font>]]''' [[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''did'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''HaloDude'''</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:User:Halodude|<font color="Red">'''Do!?!'''</font>]] 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
+#'''Support''' - Manticore will be a good admin, and makes more sense IMO than some other admins. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">What</font>]]''' [[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''did'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''HaloDude'''</font>]] [[halofanon:User:Halodude|<font color="Red">'''Do!?!'''</font>]] 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 #'''Strong''' Manticore does prove himself as a capable admin. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 13:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 #'''Support''' Already does wonderful work on the community management front, will be an excellent admin --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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-#I don't think that you would be a good choice for admin. I believe that you need to be more active. Which you are active, don't get me wrong, but be more active. Plus you aren't very community oriented, if you get what I mean.--'''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 19:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
+#I don't think that you would be a good choice for admin. I believe that you need to be more active. Which you are active, don't get me wrong, but be more active. Plus you aren't very community oriented, if you get what I mean.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 19:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 ::'''Comment against H*Bad''':Nope, he's very hardworking and he's '''very, very''' active in the community. It's just that you didn't see what he did. I can tell you, Manticore is a very experienced user, and will DEFINITELY make a good admin. --[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] File:Seaman.png|25px]] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black">Comm</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black">CSV</font>]]</sub> 13:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 ::'''Rebuttle''': If you check Manticore's contributions, you'll find that counting back 500 edits will get you only to July 23.  He's on every evening (NA evening) and participates in the chat regularly with the handful of people on at that hour.  I don't mind the comment about whether he's community oriented part (you're entitled to your opinion), but anyone who says he isn't active isn't paying attention. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 19:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
-:::(Should probably of reworded what I said, sorry. :P)Anyways, what I mean is, that he needs to do something that will put him over the top, like do something major for Halopedia. Not sure what, but something major.--'''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
+:::(Should probably of reworded what I said, sorry. :P)Anyways, what I mean is, that he needs to do something that will put him over the top, like do something major for Halopedia. Not sure what, but something major.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 ::::It's not like he doesn't try.  He was the one that announced the change to bring about 5 Councilors on CoH - not sure what his involvement was for that behind the scenes.  He was the one that started the ball rolling on the Sentinel program for the MoH - though that was put on hold so that we could spend more time analyzing it.  He also tried to bring about several new operators though those also got rejected by GPT.  I fail to see how he hasn't done anything "big". --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 04:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 :::::Well, in my personal opinion, those usergroup changes, while notable, weren't exceptional. What was exceptional was his drafting of policy that was unanimously accepted by the administration, his hard policy on fan fiction, and his good understanding of community dynamics. =] Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<span style="color: #6262FF; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''RelentlessRecusant'''</span>]] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]]  <small><sup>[[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>[http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new   <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE</font>]</sub></small> 16:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 H*Bad - was this matter resolved on IRC?  Just wondering 'cause the new information you got seemed to suggest that. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 04:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
-:No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, '''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
+:No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 ::I don't expect Manticore to be perfect, nor do I think for a sec that he would be forgiving.  I've had my problems with the way he does things and I've challenged him for it before.  However, that doesn't mean I think he can't do his job.  He will do it, and he will perform admirably.  I will and have stuck up to RR and GPT publicly and privately on several occasions.  I have and continue to press them on issues of how they deal with the community, how they can improve the way they handle situations, etc.  However, Manticore is already a community leader (as is Ryan, but that's beside the point and it isn't about which of these two is better), and his style of moderation is already applied.  He already is contributing to the administrative and moderation duties of Halopedia and doing things like sending greetings to members.  Unlike Ryan, if Manticore were handled the crown of Administrator, he really would only be getting access to a few extra buttons because of his existing social status within the community.  From a social perspective, Manticore practically is an administrator already. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 22:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 :::I don't particuarly want to drag anyone into the mud, nor do I want to get into a debate, but perhaps you should check these 2 diffs H*bad: [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Manticore&diff=next&oldid=138639] [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AED&diff=141342&oldid=141339]. -- [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>CSV</font>]] | [[Halopedia:Requests for Adminship/Manticore|<font color=black>RfA</font>]]</sup> 23:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
-::::Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, '''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
+::::Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 :::::What the heck is with this BS concept that Ryan and Manticore can only be admins at the exclusion of the other?  The administration team could either reject or take both of them by the time the voting is done based upon the decisions of this administration team.  Of course RR and GPT prefer Manticore over Ryan, but they won't make their decision on Ryan based upon whether Manticore got in or not - they'll make their decision based upon the merits and concerns raised regarding Ryan and the the degree of community support for Ryan.  This isn't a first past the post issue.  --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
-I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--'''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
+I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 :So, just to clarify: you're voting against me, because you think I'm qualified to do the job, but you'll change your mind if everyone else does? O_o -- [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>CSV</font>]] | [[Halopedia:Requests for Adminship/Manticore|<font color=black>RfA</font>]]</sup> 09:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 :It is the Sysop's decision, not the final vote, that decides whether an RfA passes.  It is the right of those who's RfA's have been submitted to know where they stand with the Sysops and know what issues the Sysops have with them.  Look at RR's RfA: all 4 Sysops at the time voted against him - but they gave him many points worth considering and thinking about.  Despite that, the community supported RR - just as the community has supported Ryan despite the disapproval of the Sysops.
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 ::With all due respect, H*Bad, your insinuations against Manticore are completely unfounded. These suggestions that he is a repeat vandal/conspirer are denigrating, and only serve not to sully his reputation, but begin to hold in question the judgement of the user stating these accostings. To Manticore, I offer my fullhearted trust, and I offer the strongest support possible for his RfA, and hold all hopes that it will be concluded shortly. I would also like to remonstrate that ''Wikia is not a democracy'', even by Wikia regulation. The RfAs are chosen by the opinion of the "current administration" only, and no other body. The community, however, plays a significant role at Halopedia in advising the administration on how to proceed with RfAs, which is why a community vote is maintained in the first place, and why the results are valuable to advise the current administration. However, all RfAs do not imperatively depend on the vote count, and are subject to the opinion of the current administration, with advisory comments from the community. Apologies if this post was redundant, of if it was offending to H*Bad, but I believe this is a particular spacetime coordinate for me to make my statement. Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<span style="color: #6262FF; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''RelentlessRecusant'''</span>]] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]]  <small><sup>[[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>[http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new   <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE</font>]</sub></small> 01:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 :::'''Addendum''': Not to mention Manticore is essentially the "night shift" at Halopedia, and spends 6-8 hours during his day (our sleeptime) on the IRC, active. =] Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<span style="color: #6262FF; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''RelentlessRecusant'''</span>]] 'o the [[w:c:halo:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]]  <small><sup>[[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>[http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit&section=new   <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE</font>]</sub></small> 01:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
-::::Why are you guys so wanting to get me to vote for this guy, that you guys go so far as to saying that I am being stupid for not voting for him. This is just a simple matter of not wanting him in office, because he is so endorsed by the Admins that he can't lose. Manticore, I have nothing against you, I just have against that the Admins endorse you more than they endorse Ryan. If the Admins would stop endorsing Manticore, then I will vote for him. Simple as that. And Relentless, you should know better, although after last (nights?) discussion I guess not. And Forgottenlord, the reason I have changed my story is because I have found a new thing to not like about Manticore.--'''[[w:c:halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[w:c:halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 12:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
+::::Why are you guys so wanting to get me to vote for this guy, that you guys go so far as to saying that I am being stupid for not voting for him. This is just a simple matter of not wanting him in office, because he is so endorsed by the Admins that he can't lose. Manticore, I have nothing against you, I just have against that the Admins endorse you more than they endorse Ryan. If the Admins would stop endorsing Manticore, then I will vote for him. Simple as that. And Relentless, you should know better, although after last (nights?) discussion I guess not. And Forgottenlord, the reason I have changed my story is because I have found a new thing to not like about Manticore.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] <sup>([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''</sup> 12:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 :::::Quite simply: you are saying you've got something against Manticore.  You are disrespecting Manticore.  You are taking a private war against the admins and punishing an excellent person because of it.  I don't care if you vote against a person, I do care if you vote against the person for reasons that either don't make sense or are just plain wrong.  Thus far, you've hit that marker many times for your many different arguments.
 :::::I support people who say they aren't voting for a person because they don't like them, because they don't trust them, because they don't want to have to be on a community where that person is an admin.  I support people who go into much more detailed explanations of the flaws of such an individual.  It's not that you're stupid for not voting for him, it's just that your reason for not voting for him is stupid.