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:I disagree, I think moving the article is the way to go. It's the same rationale behind renaming species to "their" names rather than keeping the more recognisable titles - accuracy, over recognisability. As long as there are sufficient redirects, I don't think there should be many problems in finding what people are looking for. Personally, I'm uncomfortable moving "Maginot Line" to "Jat-Krula protected boundary," but objectively I think it's better to defer to the most recent sources of canon as representing the most current views of the franchise holders. So far, we haven't faced the issue of renaming things like weapons or vehicles to their Covenant names since we don't know them, and if we ever do I might revise my opinion. But at the moment, I'm leaning towards renaming this to "Saepon'kal." -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 05:31, 23 November 2014 (EST)

::My issue with the Maginot Line is that it's not the real name, it comes from a real world name related to WWII, and was obviously not the designation used by the Forerunners. I would revise my opinion only if "Maginot Line" was also in the ''Forerunner Saga'', along its Forerunner counterpart. (I have no idea whether it's used or not.) But as I said, it's my ''opinion''... Moving to Jat-Krula sounds kind of weird to me. As for Malurok/Decided Heart, I have to say that I'm kind of torn between the two of them. I do feel that original (read ''alien'') names should be preferred (as in Sangheili, Unggoy and so on), but if things like ''High Charity'', Ghost, Banshee, Plasma rifle, ''CCS''-class battlecruiser, etc, ever get their own Covenant/Sangheili names revealed... I would most likely reject us moving the pages towards their "true" names (unless they end up being forced into the games' canon). But for planets... I don't know. Most Covenant colonies that we know of have a Covenant name. Should we prefer uniformity? Yet, a good question would be: was the English name used in a Covenant context or a human one? From what I can remember, both Joyous Exultation and Decided Heart were used in Covenant context. That should be enough for us to keep the English name without feeling bad about not using "the names used by the Covenant". (However, this could also be said for the Covenant sometimes using English names for their species, like "Elites", "Brutes", etc.) [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 05:58, 23 November 2014 (EST)

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	:I disagree, I think moving the article is the way to go. It's the same rationale behind renaming species to "their" names rather than keeping the more recognisable titles - accuracy, over recognisability. As long as there are sufficient redirects, I don't think there should be many problems in finding what people are looking for. Personally, I'm uncomfortable moving "Maginot Line" to "Jat-Krula protected boundary," but objectively I think it's better to defer to the most recent sources of canon as representing the most current views of the franchise holders. So far, we haven't faced the issue of renaming things like weapons or vehicles to their Covenant names since we don't know them, and if we ever do I might revise my opinion. But at the moment, I'm leaning towards renaming this to "Saepon'kal." -- [[User:Morhek\|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:31, 23 November 2014 (EST)		:I disagree, I think moving the article is the way to go. It's the same rationale behind renaming species to "their" names rather than keeping the more recognisable titles - accuracy, over recognisability. As long as there are sufficient redirects, I don't think there should be many problems in finding what people are looking for. Personally, I'm uncomfortable moving "Maginot Line" to "Jat-Krula protected boundary," but objectively I think it's better to defer to the most recent sources of canon as representing the most current views of the franchise holders. So far, we haven't faced the issue of renaming things like weapons or vehicles to their Covenant names since we don't know them, and if we ever do I might revise my opinion. But at the moment, I'm leaning towards renaming this to "Saepon'kal." -- [[User:Morhek\|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:31, 23 November 2014 (EST)

			::My issue with the Maginot Line is that it's not the real name, it comes from a real world name related to WWII, and was obviously not the designation used by the Forerunners. I would revise my opinion only if "Maginot Line" was also in the ''Forerunner Saga'', along its Forerunner counterpart. (I have no idea whether it's used or not.) But as I said, it's my ''opinion''... Moving to Jat-Krula sounds kind of weird to me. As for Malurok/Decided Heart, I have to say that I'm kind of torn between the two of them. I do feel that original (read ''alien'') names should be preferred (as in Sangheili, Unggoy and so on), but if things like ''High Charity'', Ghost, Banshee, Plasma rifle, ''CCS''-class battlecruiser, etc, ever get their own Covenant/Sangheili names revealed... I would most likely reject us moving the pages towards their "true" names (unless they end up being forced into the games' canon). But for planets... I don't know. Most Covenant colonies that we know of have a Covenant name. Should we prefer uniformity? Yet, a good question would be: was the English name used in a Covenant context or a human one? From what I can remember, both Joyous Exultation and Decided Heart were used in Covenant context. That should be enough for us to keep the English name without feeling bad about not using "the names used by the Covenant". (However, this could also be said for the Covenant sometimes using English names for their species, like "Elites", "Brutes", etc.) [[User:Imrane-117\|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117\|talk]]) 05:58, 23 November 2014 (EST)