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| == Halo Wars == | | == How many species are capable of being assimilated? == |
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| Uh your wrong on Forge detonating a reactor he detonated there Slip-Space Drive and there not lost, there trying to get home without a slip-space drive, and it would seem from what Ive unlocked on the Halo Timeline in Halo Wars that only Anders is put in cryo cause it says that Cutter goes and sees the Sprit of Fires doctor and write condolances to families and all such stuff and finally sleeps for the 1st time in 2 weeks... Master Chief Petty Officer Matthew 124 -AKA- Firehawk77 (I tried to sign but it wouldnt work in preview,sry)
| | From the original trilogy we see flood in various forms yet only the humans, brutes, elites and the prophets are able to be infected. Yes in Halo Wars we see other forms of flood, including combat forms of grunts, jackals, hunters, buggers, engineers and even zombified birds, but those forms of assimilation are never heard from again. So is it safe only humans and three species of the covenant can be all alien races capable of been converted?--[[Special:Contributions/106.69.214.237|106.69.214.237]] 08:17, 23 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| Cryo protocol requires all non-essential personnel to go into cryo, to conserve resources and energy that would otherwise be wasted on life support. By non-essential, that would include Professor Anders. A skeleton crew is retained to keep the ship barely running, including the Captain. As for what Forge detonated, it was actually their FTL drive - the Spirit of Fire can still probably enter and exit slipspace, but without an FTL drive, it would be no faster, and a lot less accurate, than just drifting. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
| | :No. As far as I know, the Flood ''can'' assimilate ''anything'' with sufficient biomass, calcium deposits (ie; bones) and brain power. If it's sentient, it just increases its "processing power" for lack of a better term. It's perfectly capable of assimilating animal life - the animals aboard the Infinite Succor were also infected, and turned into terrifying forms. We only see a few forms in the games for sake of game balance, and because forms based on Grunts and Jackals, which are more fragile than humans, Elites or Brutes, wouldn't be as interesting to the player. To my knowledge, the Flood ignores Drones and Hunters because Drones don't have a skeleton, which it uses to build new forms, and because Hunters don't have a singular consciousness to take over. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 19:35, 23 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| | ^ I think they can also "infect" all dead things, but when they are alive they wouldn't be infected. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] ([[User talk:Alertfiend|talk]]) 19:53, 23 August 2015 (EDT) |
| I just noticed that about 3/4ths for is in bold can someone fix this i really don't know how.[[User talk:Snore|Snore]] 00:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC) | |
| Uh never mind i fixed it.[[User talk:Snore|Snore]] 00:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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| == Passages with Poorly Supported and Written Statements. ==
| | Could the other combat forms in Halo Wars be considered cannon? Because if they are, it would balance the list of the species that they assimilate.--[[Special:Contributions/106.69.214.237|106.69.214.237]] 05:02, 24 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| '''The Flood, a virulent species of parasites, is an anomaly in all known biology, and an anomaly to regular life. Due to this, it is thought to be an extragalactic species, originating from different galaxies, and even from different universes.''' | | :I don't see why it shouldn't be considered canon. Just because it hasn't appeared since doesn't mean it never did, or never will. If (when) the Flood ever do return to the Halo games, 343i could choose to diversify their game units by including some infected ambient wildlife, to fill new niches - a Flood Crawler, for example, made from an alien animal, etc. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:39, 24 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| While this sentence begins with accurate information which persists until the middle of the second, it ends with a statement that is not mentioned or corroborated anywhere.
| | Can anyone tell me why my edit to the infection section was deleted, despite the fact I provided a source?--[[Special:Contributions/106.69.214.237|106.69.214.237]] 06:09, 28 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| '''"and even from different universes."''' | | :As stated in the edit summary made by the person who reversed your edit, the precursors weren't the original hosts, what was left of the Precursors ''turned into'' the Flood. Also as stated above by Morhek, the Flood don't infect Lekgolo or Yanme'e. Even with these corrections, the information you have put is stated elsewhere on the page. -- [[User:Topal the Pilot|'''Topal the Pilot''']] [[File:Blueteam.png|20px]] <small>([[User talk:Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Talk'''</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</small> 06:22, 28 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| Where did this come from? I had earlier deleted it because it was flat-out wrong and part of this wikia's problem of poor grammar and reasoning being passed off as fact, but it was put back anyway. This is apparently someone's pet theory that they're trying to pass off as fact.
| | I too reverted the edits and I did to for the reason stated by Topal. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] ([[User talk:Alertfiend|talk]]) 06:39, 28 August 2015 (EDT) |
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| Since when is it said in actual canon that the Flood could have come from different universes? I have reviewed many sources of canon, and nowhere does it say this. All that is said about the Flood in regard to their origins is that they are foreign to all known forms of life in the Milky Way galaxy, and that they are extra-galactic in origin.
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| Even if they did come from other universes, how could they get here without it being noted somewhere that they came from a device or mechanism that could lead to this kind of event? No such statement or idea has ever been described.
| | Let's get an image of flood from Halo 2 Anniversary's campaign for modern graphics. Or the lockout map.{{Unsigned|Editorguy}} |
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| This kind of activity is rampant at this wiki, and really needs to stop. Proper encyclopedia's do not have baseless speculations and unsubstantiated pet theories being paraded around as fact. If people do this, then those who come here to cite this will be being fed false information and outright lies, and will perpetuate the problem even further.
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| --[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 15:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
| | Flood can consume all lifeforms from sentient creature to non sentient creature (it can consume animals,plants,microorganisms and absorb also nutrients from soil and also absorb sunlight for photosynthesis like plant.) |
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| :{{Quote|part of this wikia's problem|Your comment}} | | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J7qI-Zus730 |
| :Actually, every Wiki suffers from this problem.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:54, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
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| how come the article looks different, like at the top?
| | [[User:Nittin Das|Nittin Das]] ([[User talk:Nittin Das|talk]]) 10:35, July 11, 2019 (EDT) |
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| ==Elephants== | | == Flood virus form == |
| Elephants [[Special:Contributions/124.191.85.41|124.191.85.41]] 12:46, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
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| | | There can be hypothetical form of flood can known as Flood virus(also called fragment of flood DNA)which is a smallest form of flood (even smaller than flood super cell) that can easily infect any lifeforms. |
| ???--'''<span style="background:Gold;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Black">Shade</font>]] [[User Talk:Shade Link|<font color="red">Link</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Shade Link|<font color="Purple">Shadow</font>]]</span>''' 13:22, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
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| | | How the flood virus formed? |
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| ::Hi, I'm Sciencematt123. I am trying to make a study group for the flood. I need some field people, someone who knows how to mod, and some fom of organization I haven't really thought of yet. I don't think that everything about the flood is known, so we would really be helping out the wiki. Feel free to use my talk page. [[User talk:Sciencematt123|Sciencematt123]] 15:03, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
| | Some viruses may have evolved from bits of DNA or RNA of Precursor that "escaped" from the genes of a Precursor . The escaped DNA could have come from plasmids—pieces of DNA that can move between cells—while others may have evolved from other species. |
| | | [[User:Nittin Das|Nittin Das]] ([[User talk:Nittin Das|talk]]) 10:55, August 4, 2019 (EDT) |
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| See this article: [[Forerunner-Flood War]].
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| 98,379 - 97,448 != 300. In other words, that is not 300 years. That's almost 1000. 931 to be exact, just like the article said. Don't change it. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 02:44, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| This article requires massive cleanup, especially the Halo Wars'!- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 00:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| I concur completely. I think that the picture should instead be the flood-infested High Charity, and more screenshots from Halo Legends: Origins should be included. They show the massive scale of the Flood's attacks. - Vladith 10:01, June 13th, 2010.
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| I wonder whether we've seen the last of the Flood. There is so much mystery surrounding them. Where exactly did they come from, and how did they originally come into being? Did they develop naturally, or were they artificially created? Do they have any connection to the Precursors? After all, Mendicant Bias states to the Gravemind that they share the same ultimate goal somehow but that the Flood's way is "faster". What could Mendicant have meant? What do the Forerunners and Flood and perhaps Precursors have in common? In the same conversation, Mendicant says in response to the Gravemind "That would explain why [life] developed independently!" Is it possible that life ''wasn't'' supposed to develop in independent forms? Maybe there is much more to the Flood than meets the eye. So far, it seems like the Gravemind has merely been consciously rationalizing his primal instincts rather than trying to develop a world-view truly different from them, but maybe the Flood really ''does'' have an ultimate, rational goal for their behavior. Maybe that was the reason they were brought into the world: to end the suffering that comes with being independent beings. The Gravemind has implied this several times in his conversations with the Chief and Mendicant: that the Flood will make the galaxy into a utopia without pain or suffering, only oneness, since all life will be part of Compound Minds, such as the Flood or A.I.. Maybe the reason that the Gravemind is so fascinated by Artificial Intelligences like Cortana and Mendicant Bias is that he wants to find a program that will be able to assimilate all programs in the same way that he can assimilate all biological life, so that he can further the Flood's goal of universal oneness. It is likely that all Flood/Graveminds share this goal. Since the two Graveminds known seem to share the same memories (see the Gravemind's first speech in ''Halo 2''), it seems that the memory of all Flood is retained in even a single Flood spore. Therefore, even if a Gravemind is destroyed, or if a Flood specimen exits its Gravemind's area of mental control (by leaving its galaxy for a new one without a Gravemind, for example), the memories so far from the previous Gravemind are retained in the specimen. This would also explain why all of the Graveminds seem so similar.
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| Anyway, what about this mysterious "Intergalactic Stage" of the Flood? In ''Halo: Combat Evolved'', the Flood were in the "Feral Stage". In ''Halo 2'', they were in the "Coordinated Stage". In ''Halo 3'', they were in the "Interstellar Stage". Does that mean that we will eventually witness the Flood's "Intergalactic Stage"? If I have any guess as to what this stage may be like, I suspect that it would most resemble a "technologically advanced" Flood; it would resemble life pre-Flood, with all of its civilization and technology, with the exception that all life would be under the control of the collective intelligence of the Gravemind, and life would be self-sustaining. If this is indeed the case, galactic life's state of being would indeed resemble the "utopian socialism" advocated by the Gravemind. (Of course, if you think about the fact that there are no separate consciousnesses in this system and so the only "real" person is the Gravemind, then it seems less like "utopian socialism" and more like complete and total tyranny, where all organisms are merely the extension of one individual's will. But this makes the idea far less appealing.)
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| I wonder if the planet the Chief is heading toward at the end of Halo 3 is G617 g1. If so, that would explain the eerie, hectic music that plays when it is revealed. If this is the case, a sequel could explain how the Flood were able to get there in the first place.
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| Also, I wonder if there is a "good" Gravemind somewhere, that started out as a normal Gravemind but eventually learned the value of living in harmony with other forms of life. It is stated in ''Halo 3'''s Bestarium that it is "unfortunate" that the Flood's ultimate goal is to "consume all life". But what if its goal changed? If anything could change the Flood, I would guess that it would be contact with the Precursors, the alien beings (most likely from another galaxy) that originally taught and enlightened the Forerunners and handed down their Mantle to them, the religious belief that all forms of life are sacred and that sentient beings must respect biodiversity while allowing evolution to proceed untampered by them (unless of course, biodiversity itself is threatened). Theoretically, the Flood could choose to only assimilate what it needed to survive (like the dead), or use its technology to sustain itself, much in the same way that many humans choose to only eat what they need to survive without harming other intelligent species. In this way the Flood could exist as part of the universe's biodiversity rather than as a threat to it. Of course, such a Gravemind would need a much less sinister name; perhaps the Dreammind?
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| At the end of origins part 2, A gravemind is seen handing Spartan 117 a data core, showing no signs of hostility, could the flood have gained respect for 117 and the humans, seeing what they had done at the Ark, and called a truce, realizing that this is one race they cannot assimilate? -- User:Matt98 17 April 2010 13:29 (UTC)
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| Where is that article I couldn't find it?!?!?!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 06:15, January 31, 2010 (UTC)!!!
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| :[[Combat Skin]].<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:17, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| I would like to see the flood in a new Halo Game maybe The Flood.Anyone agree with me.
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| == Smallest Flood infection vector...... ==
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| I was under the impression that the only way one could be possessed by the Flood was via an [[infection form]]. Recent Halo sources have muddied the waters a bit, however.
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| Covenant commander [[Rtas 'Vadum]] states that "one single flood ''spore'' can destroy a species"<ref>[[Halo 3|The Ark (Level)]]</ref> and in the [[Halo: Evolutions]] short story "The Mona Lisa", the Flood seems to be ''transmitted'' through a bite<ref>The Mona Lisa, Halo Evolutions, pg 285, 290-291</ref> or scratch, almost like a bacterial infection.
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| :I just assumed 'Vadum was talking about infection forms. In The Mona Lisa I believe they were all attacked by infection forms. Benti, for example, mentioned "sacs of pus" attachted to them. The marines didn't know how it worked though, so they didn't pay much attention to them I guess.
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| Obviously, the way the Flood actually works is still "evolving" as more writers explore it, but I'm rather confused as to what the current official line is on this subject.--[[User talk:Mayhemm|Mayhemm]] 23:29, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Naturally, the Infection Form is the primary method. When the Flood spread, they change the atmosphere by releasing their Flood spores. If enough are inhaled -I presume- you will succumb to the "Flood Super strain", and be converted into a Flood form.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 00:06, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Does anyone remember the greenish mucosa-like substance that was dripping from the ceiling (as I recall, it looked to me like greenish-grey bird droppings) in the level [[343 Guilty Spark (Level)|343 Guilty Spark]] before Master Chief's first encounter with the Flood? What was it? Was it just biomass shed from Flood combat forms or was it something else? And if so, how does it relate to the way the Flood spreads (if at all)? [[User talk:Secret Service 88|Secret Service 88]] 06:07, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| Isn't "Infection Form"sopposed to be capitalized?If it is,the Flood page has SEVERAL captial errors. [[User talk:Ninja bebe|Ninja bebe]] 22:32, May 14, 2010 (UTC)Ninja_Bebe.
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| FWIW, mythology really just means a collection of stories belonging to a people. To call the Bible a collection of myths is true ''whether or not the stories themselves are true''. In informal usage, myth means a false story (e.g. Mythbusters), but I think in a formal usage such as an encyclopedia article you can call Noah's Ark a myth without starting a religious flame war. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:11, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| I'd just like to say that on the section "Attack on High Charity" is completely unfair on the covenant's part. The populace WAS a match for the flood onslaught, I mean they may have lost the battle but they managed to put up a good fight and kill a great deal of flood during the battle. I mean come on, something got to be done about that statement. High Charity wasn't QUICKLY overrun it was EVENTUALLY overrun. Sorry for over-emphasising but I just don't think that does the covenant justice.
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How many species are capable of being assimilated?[edit]
From the original trilogy we see flood in various forms yet only the humans, brutes, elites and the prophets are able to be infected. Yes in Halo Wars we see other forms of flood, including combat forms of grunts, jackals, hunters, buggers, engineers and even zombified birds, but those forms of assimilation are never heard from again. So is it safe only humans and three species of the covenant can be all alien races capable of been converted?--106.69.214.237 08:17, 23 August 2015 (EDT)
- No. As far as I know, the Flood can assimilate anything with sufficient biomass, calcium deposits (ie; bones) and brain power. If it's sentient, it just increases its "processing power" for lack of a better term. It's perfectly capable of assimilating animal life - the animals aboard the Infinite Succor were also infected, and turned into terrifying forms. We only see a few forms in the games for sake of game balance, and because forms based on Grunts and Jackals, which are more fragile than humans, Elites or Brutes, wouldn't be as interesting to the player. To my knowledge, the Flood ignores Drones and Hunters because Drones don't have a skeleton, which it uses to build new forms, and because Hunters don't have a singular consciousness to take over. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 19:35, 23 August 2015 (EDT)
^ I think they can also "infect" all dead things, but when they are alive they wouldn't be infected. Alertfiend (talk) 19:53, 23 August 2015 (EDT)
Could the other combat forms in Halo Wars be considered cannon? Because if they are, it would balance the list of the species that they assimilate.--106.69.214.237 05:02, 24 August 2015 (EDT)
- I don't see why it shouldn't be considered canon. Just because it hasn't appeared since doesn't mean it never did, or never will. If (when) the Flood ever do return to the Halo games, 343i could choose to diversify their game units by including some infected ambient wildlife, to fill new niches - a Flood Crawler, for example, made from an alien animal, etc. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 05:39, 24 August 2015 (EDT)
Can anyone tell me why my edit to the infection section was deleted, despite the fact I provided a source?--106.69.214.237 06:09, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
- As stated in the edit summary made by the person who reversed your edit, the precursors weren't the original hosts, what was left of the Precursors turned into the Flood. Also as stated above by Morhek, the Flood don't infect Lekgolo or Yanme'e. Even with these corrections, the information you have put is stated elsewhere on the page. -- Topal the Pilot
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I too reverted the edits and I did to for the reason stated by Topal. Alertfiend (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
New image[edit]
Let's get an image of flood from Halo 2 Anniversary's campaign for modern graphics. Or the lockout map.—This unsigned comment was made by Editorguy (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
Flood's food[edit]
Flood can consume all lifeforms from sentient creature to non sentient creature (it can consume animals,plants,microorganisms and absorb also nutrients from soil and also absorb sunlight for photosynthesis like plant.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J7qI-Zus730
Nittin Das (talk) 10:35, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
Flood virus form[edit]
There can be hypothetical form of flood can known as Flood virus(also called fragment of flood DNA)which is a smallest form of flood (even smaller than flood super cell) that can easily infect any lifeforms.
How the flood virus formed?
Cellular origin theory
Some viruses may have evolved from bits of DNA or RNA of Precursor that "escaped" from the genes of a Precursor . The escaped DNA could have come from plasmids—pieces of DNA that can move between cells—while others may have evolved from other species.
Nittin Das (talk) 10:55, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
