Editing Talk:UNSC destroyer

==Image of Destroyer Exists!==
There is an image of the fore and aft sections of the UNSC ''Heracles'' in the ''Halo Wars'' Genesis graphic novel/comic book. I don't have access to a scanner but I will attempt to get one and upload the image asap. Unless someone can do it sooner. The picture of the fore section is where the ''Heracles'' is exiting the slipstream and the aft picture is when it's  reentering after the Vostok and Arabia were destroyed. [[User talk:Lord Hyren|Lord Hyren]] 03:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

==Ships of the Line==
Change this section to a list to match the frigate article. Put the template on articles for the individual ships. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 06:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Where does it say Destroyers have two MAC's?==

can some one please tell me were it says it has 2 MAC guns, and were are they i cant evan fina a place for just one of these on the frigate  on cairo station. [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 14:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

:It says in Halo: the fall of reach, you can look at thoerys of where MAC canons might be on [[MAC]] and its talk page --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 18:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 
*Fall of Reach page 139:
What those critics forgot that a UNSC Destoyer sported 2 MAC guns, 26 oversized Archer missile pods and 3 nuclear warheads. Only seven meters longer than a frigate. No single ship fighters. Almost as heavy than 2 frigates combined mass.
--[[User:UNSC AI #23|Will]] 11:55, 06 January 2007 (UTC)

shouldn't a UNSC destroyer be able to take on a covenant one with 2 MACs? first round takes out the shields (completely or almost) second one cripples the ship, or at least that's what they do in most battles described in the books.(when they do fire)

:That's assuming the other ship isn't firing back at it. A Covenant Destroyer can put out far more firepower than its human equivalent, which also lacks the comparable defences. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 22:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

==Picture is NOT a destroyer==
In The Fall of Reach, Captain Keyes' destroyer Iroqois uses both of its MAC's against two Covenant Frigates and a Destroyer. but the image on the the article page is a cruiser, not a destroyer, and is in the wrong place entirely. the destroyers, from their description, seem to be merely heavier-armed friagtes. perhaps a picture of one of them should suffice?
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:The image is a destroyer from a ''Cairo Station'' viewport. It must be, b/c it is approx. the same size as the frigates beside it, and they're only 7 meters different...too little to see from the distance that they're streaming by at. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>22:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think we should keep this Lego "destroyer" as the pic for this article.

::No offense and with all do respect that is a marathon class cruiser. If not marathon possibly another halcyon. Mostly marathon class though. I forgot which one but I think one of the books stated that the UNSC destroyer was very similar to the frigate except that the armor is thicker. In Halo Ghost of Onyx it states that the In Amber Clad was a destroyer. If only I remembered which books and what pages contained the proof.--[[User:Halo3|Halo3]]Halo3
:::the pic I have was nearly the identical length as a destroyer, which fits in with the fact that the destroyer is only 7 meters longer. Thaks, H3. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::That picture blaitently a Cruiser, its to big and the ship in the opening scene is most likey a cruiser, i believe i know which one's are destroyers but my picture is in bmp ill send it to you Relentless if i have your MSN and we can debate if you want. --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 18:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

*Fall of Reach page 139:
What those critics forgot that a UNSC Destoyer sported 2 MAC guns, 26 oversized Archer missile pods and 3 nuclear warheads. Only seven meters longer than a frigate. No single ship fighters. Almost as heavy than 2 frigates combined mass.
--[[User:UNSC AI #23|Will]] 11:55, 06 January 2007 (UTC)

===This Image===

Is this what we could be looking for? (sorry, first time writer on pages)[[User:Helard|Helard]] 06:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The image to the left appears to be [[In Amber Clad]] which is a [[UNSC frigate|Frigate]] not a destroyer -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 07:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
{{Clear}}
 Note the In Amber Clad may not be a frigate see frigate Discussion page for more details
ill post a new one

== Ship design thinking==
This may help make sense of the confusion around the destroyers so
like the thinking behind our modern day warships UNSC ships designed solely based on there function, Frigates have the same function as carriers only a lot smaller but loaded with essential utilities- they are needed for plannet side deployment of troops, supplies and equipement, they can launch a number of fighters but have the bare minimum weapons and defenses and a vast amount of storage space, there design shows this.


Destroyers on the other hand have next to no utilities, theyve been described as a rifle with an engine with a bay large enough for 2 pelicans with the rest of the mass left to the titanium A battle plate and weapon systems, essentialy the smaller equivelant to the battle cruiser, each class is balanced on a scale of these functions. 
Utility ships on one end to warships on the other ie- frigates to destroyers or carriers through to cruisers to battlecruisers respectivly.


This reasoning is based mostly on common sense, eg if u gave a carrier the same mass of titanium plating of a cruiser it would probably be too heavy for it to move plus the enclosed design would cut down on its utilities so each design has to closely adhere to its function.


So long story short- The UNSC Destroyer isnt a Frigate with extra armor[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|.DARKSTORM99]] 12:23, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

=== Even Though ===

Like I said the frigate is similar in ship, texture, and appearence except that it is 7 meters longer. On close inspection like you said Will the destroyer is alot different when it comes to weaponry.--[[User:Halo3|Halo3]]Halo3

but it isint just hull texture and weaponry, the frigate design is far too fragile to be a destroyer regardless of armor, its engines hang out on the sides, easy targets and has a large target profile with its storage space and living quarters protuding from either side of the hull leaving it exposed, if it was any way similar it would be the worst destroyer design, the true destroyer design would have a narrow profile with enclosed compartments and a low target profle and no part of its hull geometry would be left exposed or protruding it would be an almost solid length of titanium -A battle plate idealy. not too far from the Babysitter and Heart of Midlothian stories depicted destroyers.[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 12:49, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

== a image please!!!==
which user is going to put a image of this ships -- [[User:24.202.100.43]]  2 February 2007
:There is no image -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 07:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

well, there is now. it can be found in the Halo Wars: Genesis graphic novel. however, i do not have a method to take a scan of the ship. so can someone do this as it is the first canon appearance?

== date used ==

they have been used since before operation trebuchet. at the beginning of fall of reach, halsey tells keyes that the eridanus rebels had managed to take out 4 destroyers.
[[User:CaptJim|CaptJim]] 01:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

== Picture ==

is that an actual render of a UNSC destroyer? [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 20:38, 12 Oct 2008 (UTC)
:It's a fan-made version, and has been removed as such. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 06:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

From Halo: Black Spartan
http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/6832new_storyimage4207651_full.jpg
Is it a Destroyer ?

What happened to the novel picture we had a few days ago? If this is confirmed to be a Destroyer, then we should keep it.[[Special:Contributions/71.192.134.75|71.192.134.75]] 01:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

:Read the above. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:blue;">The 888th Avatar</span>]] [[User_talk:The 888th Avatar|<sup><span style="color:blue;">(Talk)</span></sup>]] 11:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ugghh! The capital ships of the Halo universe are sickeningly undeveloped. No lousy pictures![[User talk:Fire Eater|Fire Eater]] 21:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

==Generic Destroyer Image==
What about this? 

I had an image... of a generic UNSC Destroyer which was undone by someone, so I came here.

Here is the image, shouldn't it be included in the page, because the image of the Heracles exiting Slipspace is too vague?

:Your Destroyer = Not from any official canon sources. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]]

== Armament ==

Hi, could someone who knows the weapons on a UNSC Destroyer (e.g. someone who plays the game :P) clean up the page? Cheers. <span style="color:SteelBlue"> [[User:A F K When Needed|A F K]] [[User_talk:A F K When Needed|When]] [[Special:Contributions/A_F_K_When_Needed|Needed]]</span> 17:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

All the information known about UNSC destroyers is currently listed. the only ships that have appear ingame are cruisers and frigates. Hence the wellspring of information about each.
[[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 17:40, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late response. I mean how some of the information appears in the box, and some at the very bottom of the page. <span style="color:SteelBlue"> [[User:A F K When Needed|A F K]] [[User_talk:A F K When Needed|When]] [[Special:Contributions/A_F_K_When_Needed|Needed]]</span> 17:48, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

== Power Plant ==

Same problem as the frigate page. It says deuterium fusion, but there's no source. It could be any type of fusion.

==Gorgon-class==
Since Heart of Midlothian occurred after the UNSC Gorgon was built (it did, right?), wouldn't that make the image on this page that of a Gorgon-class Destroyer? [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 17:16, 23 November 2010 (EST)
:I'm not exactly sure why would that be the case. No one said that ''all'' UNSC destroyers built after the ''Gorgon'' were of the Gorgon-class. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:20, 23 November 2010 (EST)

== why can't destroyers carry fighters? ==
i know that they don't have hangers, but couldnt they just attach them to outside airlocks/hatches?? this is suported by Halo:first strike. it says that the master chief's longsword docked with sgt johnson's pelican using a ventral docking hatch. ---[[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:04, 31/01/2012

:They don't carry fighters in the Aircraft Carrier sense. For an appropriate Naval comparison to your suggestion, it would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:08, 31 January 2012 (EST)

"''It would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.''" Why wouldn't that work? this is a tactic used by several militaries, in the form of chase boats, which are deployed from the sides or from the back of the ship. This is also used by several illegal, factions namely somali pirates. all in all it's a valid tactic. (and on an unrelated topic, how do you sign your posts? theres a button for it but mine doesnt work, so i have to type it) [[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:25, 31 January 2012 (EST)
:I can't imagine towing fighters would be good when the ship entered slipspace. It's pointed out in ''Ghosts of Onyx'' that technicians have been known to vanish when trying to repair unshielded, active slipspace drives. Clamped to the side of the ship, a fighter would be outside the shielding...--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 13:33, 31 January 2012 (EST)

I don't think that would really be a problem, the fighters would be latched and locked onto a hard point. i'm not talking about long and flimsy umbilicals, just holes/latches in the hull, it wouldn't be any different than '''bolting''' an antena or even plating for the ship, they would technically be part of the ship, until they were unlocked. the only reason techs disappear is because they're unatached to the ship, for the fighter to disappear they'd have to take the ship's armour with them. and it's not like the ships are undergoing extreme forces, slipspace travel doesnt involve thrust, the ship travels at the speed it was going prior to entering slispace --[[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 2:28, 31 January 2012

:Do we have a source for the thrust bit? Of course, your argument is that how a UNSC ship can travel, say, a lightyear in an hour relates to how compressed slipspace is. The only thrust-related source I can find, however, is from Contact Harvest's opening chapter, where it disambiguates the slipspace drive from the thrusters (it seemed to suggest that how fast you travelled would depend on how fast you were going ''in'' slipspace). A hole in your argument is in ''Halo 2'', where Regret's carrier goes very slowly into a slipspace rupture, and yet still travels at tremendous speed.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:19, 31 January 2012 (EST)

The point I was trying to get accross was; that in the vacuum of space there would be little to no (wind) resistance to ''tear'' the ships from the hull, this goes the same for slipspace (theres no anything in slipspace). I can see no real reason why they couldn't be latched onto an airlock. And I see your point about regret's carrier, on that same note, the covenant have a way better understanding of slipspace. besides slipspace isnt the most understood topic in the halo universe, bungie has used this to their advantage, to explain discrepancies  --[[User: maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 07:36, 31 January 2012 (EST)

== point defense guns?? ==

where are they? i looked at the picture at the top of the page. i cant see any --[[User:maccabeuse|maccabeuse]] 03:07, 31 January 2012
:It's an image of an outdated UNSC Destroyer. Besides, the model used by 343i of the UNSC ''Heart of Midlothian'' in the motion comic ''Midnight on the Heart of Midlothian'' on Halo Waypoint isn't all that detailed, as most of the events take place inside the ship, not outside. But it's a destroyer, so just like real-world destroyers in the US Navy and the world's varied navies, it should have some antifighter suppression-fire systems onboard. Not like it matters, since the Covenant launched a surprise sneak attack that was so stealthy the destroyer's systems didn't have time to react, and even then, they were probably destroyed in the first attack, or were surreptitiously sabotaged when Covenant strike teams came aboard. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:22, 31 January 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

Makes sense, took a closer look at the picture too. it looks hand drawn. [[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 05:30, 31 January 2012

== Pelicans? ==

It says that destroyers carry pelican'''''s'''''. plural. where do they dock? i can't see a hanger on the destroyer. ad it says that it doesnt carry any single ship fighters, this ties into one of my other questions, if it has room for pelican'''''s''''' than why not a single longsword. --[[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 09:47, 31 January 2012 (EST)

:Destroyers have small hangars to carry Pelicans. But Longswords are so much bigger. A Pelican is only 100 ft long and 76 ft wide. A Longsword is 210 ft long and 246 ft wide. Just one would be take up the space of three Pelicans. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:04, 31 January 2012 (EST)
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	:Destroyers have small hangars to carry Pelicans. But Longswords are so much bigger. A Pelican is only 100 ft long and 76 ft wide. A Longsword is 210 ft long and 246 ft wide. Just one would be take up the space of three Pelicans. [[User:Tuckerscreator\|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator\|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:04, 31 January 2012 (EST)		:Destroyers have small hangars to carry Pelicans. But Longswords are so much bigger. A Pelican is only 100 ft long and 76 ft wide. A Longsword is 210 ft long and 246 ft wide. Just one would be take up the space of three Pelicans. [[User:Tuckerscreator\|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator\|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:04, 31 January 2012 (EST)

	~~Do you have any indication of where these hangers are? [[User:maccabeuse\|Maccabeuse]] 10:50, January 31 2012 (EST)~~