Editing Talk:Halo 4

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==Features 2==
Agreeing w/ what ''Subtank'' had [[Talk:Halo_4/Archive_3#Features_section|previously]] said, I think the new multiplayer map template could be moved to the [[Infinity (mode)]] page while we just have a concise list w/ links for the MP maps here. Don't get me wrong, the template looks great but it does look like it will get long, plus we have to take into account DLC/map packs which will make it longer. Moving it to the Infinity article would be a great way to expand that page once more multiplayer maps are revealed. Also I think the plot section at the beginning (not the actual in-game plot) should be moved to the "Development" section since its refering to how the plot was "developed". Just a thought. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">KillaEX</span>]]'''''</small>  19:04, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

==RTX==
Arrrr, shipmates. If ye been followin' the Rooster Teeth's news, RTX visiters be gi'en the opportunity t' play ''Halo 4''. Tis info be added t' the page? —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 12:37, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
:Sure why not, the Cap'n says.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 12:41, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

== Ancient evil ==

okay for those who have watched the trailers and have noticed the part where an unknown character say "I have long dreamt of this day, Reclaimer." it is obviously not didact as the symbol is clearly not his, unless its his new combined born/didact one of when his personality took over bornstellar's body at the end of cryptum but comment what you think. [[User talk:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 19:58, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

Also this part in the trivia is incorrect as it is not didacts symbol,

'The Didact's symbol also appears in the Halo 4 Cinematic Trailer, in which the icon is shown overtaking the UNSC Infinity's monitors while a wave of orange light scans throughout the ship. The icon is later seen turning over in the end of the trailer, superimposed by the text "An ancient evil awakens" while an unknown voice is heard saying "I have long dreamt of this day, Reclaimer.'
 
would someone be able to delete this part as the symbol is not his, you can clearly see the difference in each other when you look at didacts halopedia page and with some clear analysis of the symbol in the trailer [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th6TZbMj2NQ] watch from 0:53 and see that it is different from this [http://www.halopedian.com/File:Didact.png]as the vertical lines connect to the outer circle in the trailer when didact's one doesn't and plus the symbol is upside down from didact's [[User talk:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 20:13, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

:Read [[Talk:The_Didact#Halo_4_Demo_Quote|this]] and the very [[Talk:The_Didact#Bornstellar.2FDidact|bottom of this]]. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">KillaEX</span>]]'''''</small>  06:13, 24 June 2012 (EDT)

In this article under the '''Demonstration videos''' section, it says that the Prometheans are unveiled to be the "ancient evil" when in fact, Frank O'Connor says [http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/06/13/The-Halo-Bulletin-61312.aspx#continue here] that they haven't revealed what the "ancient evil" is yet. I just thought I would bring that up for accuracy purposes.--[[User talk:Kamikaz|Kamikaz]] 13:35, 25 June 2012 (EDT)
:Good point. Go ahead and change it. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">KillaEX</span>]]'''''</small>  18:27, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

Possible Spoilers you are warned. I believe the symbol is that of the Composer. Look at the achivement list released for Halo 4 and one of the missions is called Composer. If I'm remembering correctly the Ur-Didact said in Cryptum that the highest level of the Prometheans all got their name/title from the most noticable trait they carried, such as the Grammarian(sp) and the Didact. So could this be one of the Didacts 'generals' that was really good at composing stuff and has snapped? We don't know what any of the other Forerunners personnel symbols look like but maybe the symbols for the Classes are similiar to each other. Or maybe it is just the Bornstellar-Didact. Maybe the Composer does show up but not as the bad guy.--TLLorax
I just remembered, composer is what was used to put Chakas mind into 343 isn't. So maybe they will have to deal with the composing of living beings into a.i. bodies? --TLLorax

::Perhaps something kinda like: '''HALSEY(CONT'D):''' ''"An alien AI full of Human memories."''? (See my entry under "Halsey page" further down this page) [[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 10:16, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

Wait maybe it turns out Spirite(sp) of Fire from Halo Wars made it to Requiem and that is who was composed? ~~TLLorax~~

== Exoskeleton in 'Vehicles' section ==

The vehicles list has two these entries: "Cyclops Mark II" and "UNSC powered exoskeleton". Is that a mistake, or there is a second type? [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 21:06, 25 June 2012 (EDT)
:Read [[Talk:Halo_4/Archive_3#Cyclops_Mk_II_vs_.22Mini.22_Cyclops|this]]. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">KillaEX</span>]]'''''</small>  21:18, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

== New Inifinity Slayer Info ==

They just posted a new [http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/06/The-Halo-Bulletin-7612.aspx Waypoint Bulletin] (post independence day) with some new info as well as some new screenshots and a video for Infinity Slayer. I'll try to add some of this info soon unless someone else gets to it first. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">KillaEX</span>]]'''''</small>  15:48, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

== Forerunner EMP Grenade ==

In a new Spartan ops gameplay, a player can be seen throwing a grenade that bursts in an EMP explosion [http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%252F&gl=US#/watch?v=7RyWblhPQE8]
It is used at around 11 minutes in. {{Unsigned|Crisperstorm}}
:Its too soon to say the grenade itself is a "Forerunner" grenade. Even if it is, the video is very fuzzy and unclear, pretty much recorded with a cruddy cellphone camera. To put it in better terms, we need an offical/reputable source from youtube before coming to conclusions and adding a new feature. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">Comm</span>]]'''''</small>  19:45, 18 July 2012 (EDT)
::Actually there's a better [http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=7RyWblhPQE8&nomobile=1 video]. The one you posted was for "mobile" use so it appears fuzzy. I did see a <s>new</s> grenade thrown @ 11:00 but for now its unknown. Until a reputable source unveils it, its best to wait. Nice find though :). --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:black; font-family: Aerial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>'''''[[User talk:Killamint|<span style="color:red">Comm</span>]]'''''</small>  09:41, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

== Theater Mode ==

Is Theater Mode returning in ''Halo 4''? I didn't see anything on any articles mentioning it. [[User:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ιι</span>]] [[User talk:Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ηη</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iota Eta Pi|<span style="font-family:font; color:#B80000;">Ππ</span>]] 02:42, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
:Most likely but it hasn't been confirmed by 343i yet.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 16:08, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== Covenant Organization ==
I was searching the internet for news about the game when I came across several articles that indicate that the new Covenant organisation is known as the "Storm", which is consistent with the new "Storm" variants and weapons. Should we add this to the page, or wait until more information is released? Source: [http://www.examiner.com/article/halo-4-s-storm-covenant-faction-officially-revealed Here]. --[[User talk:Cyrannian|Cyrannian]] 20:45, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:I guess you can add it to the "Features" section. In my opinion, "Covenant Storm" (?) should deserve its own article. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 21:07, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== Weapons ==
Hi, there is the prometean repeater [https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/557547_452329724800489_902105639_n.jpg] --[[Special:Contributions/78.12.158.96|78.12.158.96]] 17:42, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
:Nice find but we need a source stating for sure that is the Promethean Repeater, and also we need a picture of it without a weapon skin before we can setup an article for it. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 19:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
Here the Boltshot [http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/image.axd?picture=2012%2f8%2f15%2fSpecialization_TRACKER.png ref http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/08/15/The-Halo-Bulletin-81512.aspx] --[[Special:Contributions/78.12.158.96|78.12.158.96]] 03:06, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

==Confusion with Source==
A new [http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/15/halo-4-specializations-will-change-halo-multiplayer-forever source] has popped up from IGN explaining Halo 4 specializations that will be available in the game along with descriptions of each. However, with each "specialization" they show an image of a unique armor permutation. My question is this: '''Does that armor permutation represent the specialization? Or does the specialization come with that armor permutation?''' It's a tad bit confusing especially because I see "pathfinder" which I thought was a armor variant. Also ADinoSupremacist added the Hyabusa armor to the article as making an appearance, however after reading the source it doesn't explicitely state that the armor will be in the game, more-so just mentioning it. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 19:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
:bs angel clarrified a bit in [https://forums.halo.xbox.com/yaf_postst104998p2_Specialization-Helmets.aspx this thread]. Just scroll down to her post on page 2.--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.91.48|210.56.91.48]] 22:56, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

==Halsey==
States "Catherine Halsey" in the characters section. SDCC Panel QA says she and other Blue Team members are not in Halo 4.[[Special:Contributions/‎27.252.196.179|27.252.196.179]]

They lied.--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 21:59, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
:Not the guy above, but if the source points to Halsey and the other listed characters being in the game, I can't see them. Certainly I can recognise some, even Lasky and Del Rio, but not the ones listed by the source.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 22:51, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

::Edit: Found the script which reads some of the names. I'm wary, remembering the old ODST script leak SNAFU, but I guess they can be listed.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 22:59, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

Frank responded to the Halsey leak over NeoGaf (which I don't use so I don't have a link, it's on Waypoint), and he said that it's not a serious leak at all. It would actually make sense for Halsey to be on the Infinity since it's made up of Forerunner tech. Maybe Paragonsky decides she's useful on Infinity.--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 00:11, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
:Speculation alert!- ''"...Maybe Paragonsky decides..."''. You cannot "guess" her appearance in the game. <s>Also this could be a completely different "Halsey".</s> 343i "lying" is also a guess. Best to wait till more clear-cut information has been presented especially since it has already been stated that she (nor Blue team) will not be in the game. --'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 08:46, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
Why would there be a different Halsey? The script shows Halsey talking with Lasky. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 13:45, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
:Can someone link the script here so others can see it?--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 14:27, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
[[File:Halseyproof.png|right|200px]]
You can see Lasky saying: "Doctor Halsey!." At one point Halsey shoves aside Lasky and talks to a character named Roland. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 16:14, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
:Looks like Halsey will definitely be in the game based off "[[Making Halo 4: A Hero Awakens]]" when John mentions Halsey in relation to Cortana's condition, and we see John walking away from some older female "doctor". Goes against what 343i stated earlier. I guess they want us to be surprised, so they gave us false answers to cover up plot elements, idk.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:47, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
:: Just thinking about it, the Doctor seen in the video looks very different to Halsey, so i doubt that one is her. In my opinion Halsey will make an appearance on Spartan Ops. Well, at least i think that would be better than having her in campaign. [[User talk:Siul S-249|Siul S-249]] 18:42, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
::: That's possible, since the third chapter of Spartan Ops is called "''[[S1/Catherine|Catherine]]''". --[[User talk:Dr Mutran|Dr Mutran]] 20:19, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
::::Yeah, it can't be Catherine Halsey, even though ''The Thursday War'' states she was assigned to the ''Infinity''. Also, have you ever heard of artistic license?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 20:22, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
::::: Yeah, 343i could change her appearance, but i doubt they do. They (not just 343i) have kept the facial structure all the way since Fall of Reach, Legends and Reach, and i doubt they would change her suddenly. [[User talk:Siul S-249|Siul S-249]] 20:26, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

== Couple of new info ==

Hey, i just read this from an italian site 

La Limited Edition includerà:

    Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn Special Edition, ossia una versione estesa da novanta minuti dedicata alla serie live action ambientata nell'universo di Halo.
    Contenuti bonus utili ad approfondire al meglio tutti i personaggi e le storie di Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn.
    La featurette "Bringing Gaming into Reality".
    Il "making of" di Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn.
    Accesso completamente gratuito al War Games Map Pass che permette do scaricare tre map pack multigiocatore che saranno rilasciati in futuro comprendenti tre mappe ciascuno.
    Accesso anticipato a sei specializzazioni che serviranno a ottenere subito risultati migliori.
    L'UNSC Infinity Briefing Packet con lo schema dell'armatura e della nave e informazioni precise su cosa vuol dire essere uno Spartan-IV.
    Armatura Spartan-IV Recruit.
    Skin Prime per l'armatura Spartan-IV.
    Skin Prime per il fucile d'assalto.
    Emblema Prime.
    Avatar per Xbox LIVE con l'armatura Recruit.
    Avatar Cryo-Tube Xbox LIVE.

Wich roughly translated tells that a new skin for the assault rifle and for the armor are included into the LE (the skin name seems to be "Prime"), and also a new armor is shipped with that, the "Recruit Armor", and a "Prime" Emblem too. For the avatar there are the cryo-tube and a recruit armor. Sorry for the bad english, but i don't speak it as Motherlanguage

Source: http://www.mondoxbox.com/news/35392/la-limited-edition-di-halo-4-nel-dettaglio.html

== Halsey Page ==

Ok I went through the time of fixing up the Halsey page script and this is all I could get. Anything that is "---" is blurred.

*Halsey? Lasky?  Is knocked on her ass by The ---
*---she’s recovering, we that all ---
*---and FLASH a symphonic WHITE ---
*---into the room, followed by----
*---their weapons raised, turning---
*---for battle
*'''Lasky:'''
*''Doctor Halsey!''
*Halsey --- Lasky aside as she gets to her ---
*'''Halsey:'''
*''Roland, freeze all monitors''
*--- then, monitors FREEZE FRAME on screen ---
*---, motion-blurred or low light, ---
*---, from a “mind’s eye” ---
*---, life in the 26th Century.
*'''(Roland (V.D.)'''
*''Pictures? Civilian Life. ---
*-or something.)''
*'''Halsey'''
*''Not pictures.
*---
*''Memories''
*---, by the physical object of the
*--- inspecting it some more.
*'''Halsey (CONT’D)'''
*''---….full of human memories''
*--- who has completely let his guard down.
*---, wide eyed. Stunned
Here is a link to the page that I fixed up in photoshop.[http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz145/DaliThought/halseyscript.png]…
After reading this I think this might not be apart of the game. It seems to much like apart of a book, possible The Thursday War. This would make sense as Frank said those two pages of scrip are not spoilers.--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 15:48, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

I took a look at that script too & here's what I was able to make out: 
*Halsey is knocked on her ass by the blast 
*As she's recovering, we see that, all around her, the (screens?) FLICKER and FLASH a symphonic WHITE NOISE 
*Lasky races into the room, followed by DeMarco(?), Madeen(?) and Thorne, their weapons raised, turning about, diamond formation(?), prepped for battle. 
*'''LASKY:''' "Doctor Halsey!"
*Halsey brushes Lasky aside as she gets to her feet.
*'''HALSEY:''' "Roland, freeze all monitors."
*All round them, monitors FREEZE FRAME on random scenes (images?) They are indistinct, motion-blurred or low light ???? ???? ???? like snapshots from a "mind's eye camera". ?????? ????? depicting everyday human life in the 26th Century.
*'''ROLAND (V.O.):''' Pictures? Civilian Life. Maybe a (record?) for something.)
*'''HALSEY:''' Not Pictures. (beat) Memories. ''(notation: "Fascinated de--")''
*Halsey is fascinated by the physical object of the ????? ?????. She leans in close, inspecting it some more.
*'''HALSEY(CONT'D):''' An alien AI full of Human memories.
*(Thorne?), who has completely let his guard down, (stares?) at the screens, wide-eyed, stunned.
*'''THORNE:''' (That's?) New Phoenix. ??????. (I?) grew up there. ''(notation: "Voice Catch?")''
*'''DEMARCO:''' (That?) can't be right.
*??????? calling out images (from?) ??????
Based on a couple of things I can tell that this is defnitely a voiceover script for spoken dialog, as indicated by Roland's "V.O." line & also by the notations in red which are meant to emphasize some sort of vocal inflection; In Halsey's case, it's a tone of fascination, & in Thorne's a welling of emotion as his voice catches in this throat. I very much doubt it's from "The Thursday War", but it might not be from the H4 Campaign, either... Possibly from Spartan Ops?
::[[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 15:17, 20 August 2012 (EDT)

Maybe the Spirit of Fire made it to Requiem and one of the crew was from New Phoenix? If Thornes voice is suppose to catch could it be because he was remembering where he grew up and it has been glassed? Also didn't Frank O'Connel say they were bringing a new connectativity(sp) to the universe and maybe this is their way of wrapping up that story arc without having to do another game. ::[[User Talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]]

Halsey could be there if this is a scene from Sparten Ops. Ops takes place six months after the main game and that os planty of time for news from the Infinty to reach ONI and to have ONI decide that Halsey would be a good asset to have on Requiem and send her. [[UserTalk:TLLorax|TLLorax]]

== Inclusion of the Jiralhanae ==

Okay, so [[Explore the Floor|one of the unveiled achievements]] has just revealed the return of Hunters. However, [[Chief, Smash!|another achievement]] has also revealed that the Gravity hammer will be in the game, and that most likely means the Brutes will be as well. The Achievement requires you to kill Promethean Crawlers on the eighth mission, in case anyone is currently unfamiliar with the achievement. Because enemies like the Prometheans are restricted to campaign and Spartan Ops mode, does this mean that the Brutes will also appear those game modes? It seems highly likely to me; the gravity hammer is a highly ceremonial weapon for the Brutes, one which is reserved for their pack leaders. And unless [[Covenant remnant|this new Covenant faction]] has recently gained a fondness for Brute weaponry, I think the appearance of such a weapon in the game's campaign is credible enough for us to conclude that Brutes are in the game.--[[User:Brute Honour Guard|<span style="color:blue">Brute Honour Guard</span>]] [[Image:Bruteface.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Brute Honour Guard|<span style="color:black">"Talk"</span>]]) 00:30, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
:Sounds good enough to me. Also, does anyone find it odd that there are only eight missions? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:30, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
::It does set a new record for the least campaign levels. Combat Evolved and Reach both have ten levels (excluding Lone Wolf in Reach). At 15 tracks, the soundtrack is relatively short too. Back to the Brutes, I agree with the BHG. The Storm is probably compromised of the [[Servants of Abiding Truth]], and since there are Brutes like [[Manus]] who followed the Elites after the war, the Brutes we might encounter in-game are probably also part of the Servants of Abiding Truth. Man, are those Elites forgetting about the Great Schism?—[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 06:08, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
:::Bad news, everyone; Frank O'Connor has confirmed that the Jiralhanae will '''NOT APPEAR''' in Halo 4: http://halocouncil.com/content.php?r=702-No-Brutes-In-Halo-4 -- [[User talk:Dr Mutran|Dr Mutran]] 13:07, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
::::Good news to me, I don't like fighting them anyway. Lets put it this way, the Storm needed weapons, whether it was Brute weaponry or plasma. The schism took away resources and they had to scavenge for anything they could find, like the Abiding Truth. @Alex, S331: The campaign levels, while being smaller in number, may in fact be longer than the previous games. Reach, for instance was quick, especially [[Nightfall_forklift_glitch|Nightfall]]. In contrast, Halo 4 may have campaign missions that last 10-30 minutes longer (being realistic). But that's just a guess for now.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:39, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

== Campaign ==
It seems to me that, since we have the list of the Campaign levels, it's time to give Campaign its own section. Do you agree? Please share whatever thoughts you have, stupid or otherwise.[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 15:09, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

:<s>I'll use Halo 2 as an example. Many of the original levels were cut into two due to technical limitations. If we condensed the New Mombasa, Threshold, Delta Halo and Library pairs of levels into one playable level each, easily possible with modern technology, we would be left with only 9 playable levels. which is only one level more than in Halo 4, and considering how wonderfully cluttered Halo 2 was, if 343i can streamline Halo 4's story into 8 individual levels, there's still a lot of room to tell a tight and solid story. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:42, 23 August 2012 (EDT)</s>
:Bluh I'm blind. I somehow read that as something along the lines of "there seem like too few missions". Sorry about that. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:45, 24 August 2012 (EDT)
::That's because your comment should've gone in the above section, were my comment said that ;) [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:39, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

== Variety of Warthogs ==

Does anyone know if there is going to be any new warthogs or even if the classic gauss cannon hog is returning or the rocket hog from halo reach or even if there is going to be a new one like for example the laser hog(spartan laser used).{{Unsigned|Spartan Matt}}

So far we don't know and (forgive me if I take pleasure in being on the other end of the fork this time) please sign your posts. [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 10:12, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

@Spartan Matt: This is pretty much a pointless discussion. Not to be a smart-a, but none of us work for 343i so were not going to know unless they reveal new variants and we list them here on the article. Otherwise, a "laser hog" is pure speculation.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:30, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
:Actually, in answer to your question, there is a Gauss Warthog in the game. See [[:File:H4-Exile-1.jpg|this]] image for proof. Also, Killamint has a point, this conversation in reality should not be here, since talk pages are primarily meant to discuss improvements/changes to the article. Does anyone care if I move this conversation to a forum?--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 15:23, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
::I say we delete this conversation or move it to his talk page (if that's allowed/excluding my comment) so that he can see it directly. Its too small of a conversation to make it into a forum topic in my opinion. Buts its your call. Regardless, that's a nice screenshot! Good deal!--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:50, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

== Exile ==

On the recently revealed map Exile you can see a moon or planet in the sky/background so there is a good possibilty that it doesn't take place on Requiem but on the Halo shown in the main menu. Should we edit the map section on the Halo 4 main page? [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 15:39, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
:I doubt that it takes place there too. Regardless the description has been changed to something more suitable.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:47, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
::That's no moon... It's a space sta...er...I mean, it's a [[Forerunner_(level)|relay satellite]]. (Okay, it's probably not, but the opportunity was simply too good to pass up.)[[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 13:45, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

== Armor Video ==

New video showing some armor, some of you might have already seen it. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OdiDtrstNQ&feature=g-all-u]

== 7 out of 10 women will say that size doesn't matter ==

Would anyone mind if I axe the specific Mjolnir variants in the ''Equipment and technology'' section down to just include the ''MJOLNIR [GEN2]'' entry? The main page for the armor series already contains the same information as the ''Halo 4'' page as it is. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
:It's fine with me. Seems redundant to have it in two different places.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus,</span>]]'' ''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Halopedia Administrator</span>]]'' <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]]'''</sup> 15:13, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

== Secret Boxed Figure Appears to be Promethean Knight ==

The "large boxed product" mentioned in Licensed Products appears to be the Knight, as seen [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MF19172#.UEatcLJlR4d here on Entertainment Earth] and [http://www.toywiz.com/halo4deluxefigure1.html here on ToyWiz]. I'm not sure if these sources are 'valid' enough, since they aren't from directly McFarlane or 343i though. '''''[[User:Spartan-055|<font color="orange">Captain Baird</font>]]''''' '''<sup>[[User talk:Spartan-055|<font color="green">Comm-Link</font>]]</sup>'''''<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan-055|<font color="blue">Service Record</font>]]</sub>'' 21:48, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

== Weapon section ==

Since there are tons of weapons in this game, and three factions of weapons, I recommend we split the weapons by UNSC, Storm and Promethean.
What do you guys think?[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 18:16, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
:[[Talk:Halo_4/Archive_3#Separation_of_weapons/armor_abilities_sections|Not happening]]. It just makes a simple list too complicated and the way it is right now is fine.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus,</span>]]'' ''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Halopedia Administrator</span>]]'' <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]]'''</sup> 18:30, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
::Besides, the typical designations ('''M''' for UNSC; '''Type''' for former Covenant; '''Z''' for Prometheans) already does the sorting for us. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
:::If you ask me the way it is now is just a big mess.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:41, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
::::Ah, I don't know for sure, but I think it's okay for now. The weapons section may or may not need more organization. But seriously folks, I think we really should just let the matter go. As Spartacus pointed out earlier, it just isn't happening. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 23:50, 10 September 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330

Look at the Halo 2, 3 and ODST pages, they look clean and simple, everything is neatly organized. For some reason with Reach it was decided to clump everything together and start listing things that don't even need to be listed. I'm just saying the way it was done for 2, 3 and ODST is much nicer.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 00:13, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

:I have a solution to this problem but will only implement it once the game has been released. For now, I would suggest to be patient and wait. :) — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  01:30, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
::Cool, mind telling us? Or is it a secret?[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 02:43, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

[[User talk:Spartan Matt|Spartan Matt]] 03:59, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

I think this is a bit pointless now. Covenant weapons are usually "Type-## something" while Forerunner starts with "Z-###" --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 02:31, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

== Storm variants in appearances? ==

Since the various classes of Storm [http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/Detail/character-enemy-renders/421563ab-3b18-4e29-8487-3dd79b627a70#imageNumber=16  have been released], should we list, under armor, the Kig-Yar combat harness with it's new storm variants? Also it seems the Storm have gone with a whole new ranking structure with their armor. The Zealot armor clearly is the Spec Ops armor, Warrior may or may not be "classic" Zealot, and Commander is Ultra armor.--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 02:29, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

== Explanation for Flood appearance ==

So I'm a little surprised on this, but it's actually something I've been wanting for a while now. Anyway I think I know the canonical reason for the Flood's appearances. Since the UNSC found the other Halo rings, it stands to reason that they also found the flood on those installations. Note that the [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Pioneer|MJOLNIR Pioneer]] was used during the first exploration efforts of I-03. Maybe the UNSC goofed and some Spartans got infected? --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 03:22, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:<s>Could we get some background on your topic; how did the flood get involved? --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 04:18, 22 September 2012 (EDT)</s>
:EDIT: Ohhh, the French article.  Nah, since it's player vs. player, it's probably just a simulation to prep the S-IV's in case they go toe-to-toe with the Flood.--[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 04:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
::Please note that you're <u>not</u> allowed to remove posts (yours or other's). —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 05:06, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

@AdinoSupremacist, per Bruce2401- In other words its for gameplay purposes only. 343i already stated that the flood will not be in Halo 4 (campaign & spartan ops).--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 08:37, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

@Spartan331: I will keep that in mind, and thanks for showing me how to use the strikethrough.--[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 09:38, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:Remember, Multiplayer is a simulated war game in the ''Infinity'', so it basically means they're simulating two Flood attcking the Spartans.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus,</span>]]'' ''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Halopedia Administrator</span>]]'' <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]]'''</sup> 11:24, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

== Is it implied that GEN2 is Mark VII? ==

From what I can tell, 343i is strongly implying that the GEN2 is really the Mark VII. Mark VI was the last of GEN1. Therefore Mark VII is the first of GEN2. All of the armor variants in Halo 4 are Mark VII, which also makes them "GEN2." --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 18:49, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:You seem to [[Talk:MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor_(GEN2)#GEN2.3F|discuss]] [[Talk:MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor_(GEN2)#Merge_GEN2_armors_into_Mark_VII.3F|this]] [[Talk:Halo_4/Archive_2#Mark_VI.2C_Unnamed_MJOLNIR_variant_and_new_unnamed_weapons|a lot]]. Until such a thing is revealed, lets say by 343i or in ''Halo: The Thursday War'', we have to be patient and wait. Now if you want to have some freedom expressing this, create a new "Forum" topic.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 19:31, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

== Fleet Command technically not confirmed? ==

Fleet Command is responsible for ship deployment, mission structures, and space operations. As far as I know, FLEETCOM isn't actually located on the UNSC Infinity as they would simply give orders to the Infinity. Or was it really mentioned in the Halo 4 campaign vid from E3? --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 03:21, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:Listen closely at the end of the source video where John is pulling a device out of its containment structure. "''FLEETCOM Actual''" — referencing either Commander-in-Chief, Fleet or his or her's staff. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}

== Solace ==

No idea how to edit this, but Solace isn't on Requiem, it is on an unidentified forerunner planet.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 09:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

== Suggestion for locations ==

Ok the Flood are only in Halo 4 as a simulation so they're listed on the Appearances page as "Simulation Only." I suggest the same thing should be done for the locations of the multiplayer maps. 
Here is what my suggestion would look like (for known locations):

'''Locations'''
*Requiem
'''Simulated locations'''
*Ark
*Concord
*Requiem
**Solar Power Facility

--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 00:43, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

:Seems redundant and unnecessary. The locations are already listed [[Halo_4#Maps|here]]. Locations count as areas "actually" visited. The only place visited thus far is Requiem and until we get more locations [on Requiem] it shouldn't be listed. [[Talk:Halo_4/Archive_3#Features_section|We're no longer]] listing locations [[Halo:_Reach#Locations|like they were]] in ''Halo: Reach''. Also the Flood being listed seems illogical and out of place as the "real" flood don't make an "actual" appearance in the game (thus far), its just a simulation and more-so a gametype.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:41, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

== Valhalla ? ==

Ragnarok is not confirmed to be Valhalla. Can some remove it until it's confirmed? [[Special:Contributions/99.90.36.224|99.90.36.224]] 08:35, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

I was under the inpretion it was confirmed. And it's almost the exact same layout. Surely we can't deny it's the remake after seeing that. [[Special:Contributions/216.252.53.195|216.252.53.195]] 08:44, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Considering all the screenshots of it match perfectly with Valhalla, I'd say that's a confirmation. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 12:49, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

== Species ==

Should we give the Promethians an indent under Forerunners like with the Lekgolo and meklekgolo? Sorry about any spelling errors but using a mobile device so cannot check spelling.{{Unsigned|TLLorax}}

The promethians in Halo 4 aren't the same as the warrior class, so I don't think that's right. [[Special:Contributions/216.252.53.195|216.252.53.195]] 08:53, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

The Didact makes an apperance. Wouldn't he count as a Promethian of the Warrior-Serveant class? [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 15:44, 10 October 2012 (EDT)

True, but are promethians considered a sub-species

Are Meglekgolo? They are just the Lekgolo military. Don't see why they would be considered a sub-species, as far as I know they are the same as other Lekgolo just in armour. Be like saying ODST are a sub-species because they wear armour. [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 15:33, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

== Terminals ==

Is there a seperate page for the Halo 4 terminals yet? I am asking because I want to add it to my watch list. I tried searching for it but didn't find one. [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 15:38, 10 October 2012 (EDT)
:Not yet, but there will be a page for it eventually, just like for [[Terminal/Halo 3|Halo 3]] and [[Terminal/Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary|Halo: CEA]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 18:04, 10 October 2012 (EDT)

== All forge maps ==

They've all been revealed. I believe there is still one that is not yet on the site. Extensive info on all three maps and other forge features can be found [http://www.examiner.com/video/halo-4-forge-maps-overview here] --[[Special:Contributions/210.56.88.221|210.56.88.221]] 08:14, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

== Page Protection (closed)==

Given the fact that pirated Halo 4 copies are doing the rounds in Mexico, and it's only a matter of time before they make their way here, I would recommend protecting the page from anonymous edits until after the game releases. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:50, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
* {{Support}} - as per above. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:50, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
* {{Support}} - Absolutely. I'd rather avoid another pre-release spoiler fiasco like the one that occurred with ''Reach''. I suggest that we also protect ''Halo 4''-centric articles like John-117, Cortana, Didact, UNSC ''Infinity'', ''et cetera''.--[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:14, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
* {{Support}} - [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 00:09, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
* {{Support}} - Also supporting Braidenvl's suggestion to lock the most relevant articles. I don't know if we'll be able to avoid spoiler-spammers (they can do it in any article) but it would still be a useful precaution. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:55, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
* {{Support}} - In addition to protecting character pages, we also need protections on campaign levels, Spartan Ops, and Terminals. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:11, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
* {{Like}} - [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 04:51, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
*{{Done}} --{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:25, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
*{{Support}} --[[User talk:Dr Mutran|Dr Mutran]] 15:49, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Having seen a few of those leaks, I would suggest you protect these pages from edits from lower down: [[SPARTAN Program]], [[SPARTAN-II Program]], [[Catherine Halsey]], [[UNSC Infinity]] and [[The Didact]]. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:06, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:I've set autoconfirmed protection on the above articles. Hopefully that will keep IPs and new users from adding spoilers/leaks.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 13:31, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== ODST ==

anyone know if theyll be back for this game? {{Unsigned|BarbarianSam}}

I'm sure out of the +17,000 crew aboard the {{UNSCShip|Infinity}}, you'll see some [[ODST]]'s operating somewhere in the game's storyline. [[Spartan Ops]] might feature some, who knows. However, I doubt it. Infinity has a rather large contingent of [[SPARTAN-IV Program|Spartan-IV]] super-soldiers operating within Infinity, which makes it irrelevant to even have a small unit of other special forces soldiers stationed on the ship. If there are ODST's they would be small in number, maybe a company's strength. If so, then they might serve as auxiliary units in parallel to the S-IV's mission objectives. -'''Killjax 19:55, 16 October 2012 (EDT)'''

== Map Packs Revealed, need a section for them please. ==

343 Industries has announced the ‘Halo 4’ War Games Pass.
Here are the details from the press release that just went out
:With the highly anticipated launch of “Halo 4” on Nov. 6 less than two weeks away, Microsoft and 343 Industries today unveiled that there will be more content to come in the months post-launch, and the “Halo 4” War Games Map Pass is your ticket to getting it all at a 15 percent discount. Stoking the excitement for launch, 343 Industries also premiered the gameplay launch trailer for “Halo 4, available now on Halo Waypoint.
:Retailing for $24.99 USD2 (2,000 Microsoft Points), the “Halo 4” War Games Map Pass confirms your access to three War Games map packs as they become available in December, February and April, and represents a savings of more than 15 percent versus purchasing the packs individually. In addition, Map Pass purchasers will receive two bonus in-game helmets, as well as a unique in-game emblem.
:Exploring new worlds and wonders, all three Map Packs provide classic “Halo” combat and exciting ways to experience the new feature-set of “Halo” Infinity Multiplayer. Descriptions and tentative release dates are as follows:
::Crimson Map Pack (December release timeframe)
::Maps: Wreckage, Harvest, Shatter
::Description: Witness the chaos of a clash of civilizations in Wreckage, with its blend of claustrophobic spaces and dangerous exposures and venture into the human colony environs of Harvest, and explore a human foray on an alien moon in Shatter.
::Majestic Map Pack (February release timeframe)
::Maps: Landfall, Monolith, Skyline
::Description: Landfall’s emphasis is on infantry battles against a glittering ocean on a distant world, while Monolith exposes you to the naked vacuum of space – and the firepower of opposing teams, and Skyline’s distinctly industrial feel provides new challenges in somewhat familiar, but occasionally confined spaces.
::Castle Map Pack (April release timeframe)
::Maps: Daybreak, Outcast, Perdition
::Description: Daybreak is set in a military facility against the backdrop of an idyllic mountain range, while Outcast plunges you into the warrens, canyons and arches of an alien edifice, and Perdition takes players into the heart of an urban sprawl, with tactical speed and situational awareness its key features.
:Also included in the “Halo 4” War Games Map Pass are two unique in-game helmets (‘Scanner’ and ‘Strider’) that feature new geometry, and an exclusive in-game emblem (‘Falcon’). The “Halo 4” War Games Map Pass is included as part of the Halo 4 Limited Edition.
:Update: I’ve uploaded some concept art to my Skydrive Halo.
:By Larry Hryb, Xbox LIVE's Major Nelson

Source http://majornelson.com/2012/10/24/announcing-the-halo-4-war-games-pass/

{{Unsigned|HalcyonsXcution}}
:We have most the information already listed [[Map pack#Halo 4 map packs|here]]. Please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 16:35, 24 October 2012 (EDT)

== archive page and pre-order bonus ==

The page has gotten big again, I suggest archiving it. Also somebody please edit the pre-order bonuses section and make it that the BR85 Arctic Skin is available at Gamestop. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 20:41, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== Falcon in Halo 4? ==

I don't believe it is a good idea to jump to conclusions so quickly that the Falcon is in Halo 4. Simple concept art does not always portray accurate information. For example, this concept art shows a banshee flying around: 

[http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Halo-4-Concept-Art-2.jpg]

As you can tell, this is not the same banshee as seen in any of the released game play videos of Halo 4. The same goes for the Falcon. We have not seen any game play of it, therefore, it cannot be confirmed, and should not be on Halo 4's vehicle list until confirmed.

Didn't they release an interactive guide online that has all the vehicles listed? Just checked with it and see if it is there or not. [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 13:46, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

:Falcons can be seen clearly in the background of [[:File:H4-E3-Campaign-10.jpg|this image]]. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 13:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

:Perhaps they appear only as cardboard cutouts.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

The Falcon is definitely not in the interactive game guide, But that might simply be because the player doesn't fly them. They might simply be in the background. [[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 20:24, 4 November 2012 (EST)

::I might as well add, the UH-144 Falcon, or any Falcon aircraft thereof, is not at all mentioned anywhere in the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide. No mention of it anywhere. Just zip, zero, nada. I think we can all safely assume with complete confidence that the Falcon does not make a return. A pity, honestly, that it didn't return. Not even the AV-14 Hornet either! I liked using both of those aircraft. Banshees are nice, but I like Falcons and Hornets better. Oh well. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 17:12, 10 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

== After-credits speech by Didact ==

It mentions in this article that the speech that the Didact gives happens following the events of Halo 4, and assumes it is him vowing further action on humanity.  After hearing it a couple of times, I am now convinced that this speech actually is from the Didact speaking to the ecumene counsel regarding is punishments to prehistoric humans in the aftermath of the Forerunner-Human war more than 100,000 years ago.  Evidence includes him citing victory (against prehistoric humans, because surely what happened at the end of Halo 4 was not a victory).  He also uses plural pronouns when referencing Forerunners, and furthermore uses "we" and "our" as if he is talking to other Forerunners, which would be unlikely in 2557.  Overall, when taking it from that context, it makes much more sense.  The article should be changed to reflect this, and should not make the assumption of saying that the Didact apparently survived based on the fact that he gives this speech. - Extron

:It depends. The parts about "I stand before you" does sound like a council or trial, but the part of "We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own" sounds like after the Halos' firing. It's hard to be sure. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 03:22, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Though I do admit that line is a bit harder to understand, I would still posit that the majority of the lines make much more sense under the context of the Didact before the events of Halo 4.  There are many more lines that don't make sense if he was speaking after the events of Halo 4 than lines that don't make sense if he was speaking to the ecumene council after the Human-Forerunner war.  For example, in 2557, who would be accusing him of sin? - Extron
:I agree. I was going to make a similar post before seeing yours. I also think that the speech took place some time before the Didact was imprisoned. Since it's not 100% clear though, I think the article should be changed so that it does not make an implication one way or the other.--[[User talk:Olanmills|olanmills]] 03:51, 26 November 2012 (EST)

it does seem very likely but however if you do an analysis of what the didact says during the cutscene on the level forerunner he not only talks to the chief, he also talks to the librarian, well parts of his little speech is directed to her. So what the didact says during the last scene of halo 4 may be before or after the events, we do not know but we can only speculate, we may find out in later forms of media or will have to wait till halo 5 [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 01:03 27th November 2012 (PST)

==The ''Halo 4'' Official Game Guide==

Shouldn't we now have a page for the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide, since it has already come out in stores? I got my copy at Wal-Mart for 10x4, a limited collector's edition. I did see some regular ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guides for 25. But I assume you all must already know this. So should we now include a new article for the game guide, too? Seeing as I own a copy, I should be the one to write the article, but I'm honestly not sure I'd do a very good job of it. If anyone else also owns it besides myself could write it, then all the better, I suppose. Still, if no one doesn't, or if they do, but don't want to do it, I suppose I'll have to man up and do it myself. Just be forewarned: as I've said, I might not do a very good job. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

== Cairo Station ==

I just added Cairo Station to the Locations list, but i dont have a source. It is mentioned by one of the computers aboard the Infinity during Shutdown. Just go and press "x" on them, i think its the farthest one that will first mention something about information and departure, later something about War Games, and finally will mention Cairo Station. BTW, i am not sure if that even counts as an appearace, but deleted in case is not supposed to be there. [[User talk:Siul S-249|Siul S-249]] 20:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)

== The Ships that Pop Up during Midnight ==

I'm reffering to the ones that were engaging the Didact's ship during the final part of the Broadsword section. Does anyone know what they are? Are they Frigates, Destroyers, Something Else entirely? [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 20:49, 25 November 2012 (EST)
:I noticed a few ships that looked like something entirely new, but they most likely were Charon-class frigates (H4 version). Also noticed them being destroyed. However it was only at a glance being that I was busy twisting and turning as I was trying to destroy the particle cannons & dodge gunfire from the point defense guns. Sucks that theater mode doesn't work for campaign anymore. Damn you 343i! Now we have to use a VHS, camcorder, or phone cam to record our campagin vids!--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:30, 29 November 2012 (EST)
::I heard they were working on putting theater in Campaign, but until they do, I share your frustration.[[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 13:43, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:For anyone unaware of what we're talking about, there were at least four types of spacecraft in ''Midnight''. The Broadswords and modified ''Charons'' are the most obvious, the more "flat" looking ships (possibly destroyers), and ships just slightly larger than fighters buzzing around the surrounding battles (prowlers/corvettes?). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
The communications tell me at least one Super MAC station was involved. Which one or any others is unclear. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:18, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:I derped around in Midnight a bit. The ship that flies parallel to the "sphincter" exit is NOT a Charon-class. Wrong bow. The Charon-class still has a forked bow; this had a flat-ish bow and antennae on the ventral portion of the bow. It also lacked the port and starboard sidepanels of the Charon-class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 02:18, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::The fourth one below is the class I was talking about. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:47, 23 December 2012 (EST)
:Here's a few pics of the ships that I tried to capture. Unfortunately since we don't have theater mode for campaign I couldn't get anything clear enough to post on the article itself, but I'll be working on getting something soon, just have to either hook up the good old VCR or use my camera's mini tripod. The first one is flat looking and something new, the next two look like Charon-class, while the third looks like a cross between the Infinity and the Halcyon (spelling) class (also they were firing blue-colored bolts at the Didact's ship):
File:Dakota 1.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 2.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 3.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 4.jpg|200px]]
--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:00, 22 December 2012 (EST)

::First pic is a new class. Second one is potentially Charon. Looks about right, but the bow doesn't appear to be forked. None in the third are Charon (i.e. a new class). Charon has two engines and is bulkier, those have only one and are sticks. (Stalwart revamp?), fourth is another new class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:52, 23 December 2012 (EST)

:::The 2nd and 3rd pics are the same ships, just taken from a different angle. I believe they lack bulk and two engines because it may have been too much texture size/memory trying to have these multiple 1600+ ft long ships flying around at close range, so they reduced size and bulk to relieve memory. So it looks like a Charon but lacks the mass & engine count. But that's just a quick guess from a gameplay standpoint.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:44, 23 December 2012 (EST)
The second and third could possibly be new ships entirely cause once you first go into infinity multiplayer the Charon class ships look like well what they look like, if they were these new ones from the level midnight they would have been rendered that way [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 12:30am 25th December 2012 (GMT)
:::Replayed Midnight. Spent a good 10-15 flying around looking at the ships. The "antenna" ship appears to have two primary engines and four secondaries, arranged in pairs on either side of the mains, at an angle relative to the plane of the dorsal hull.
The "sticks" have only the one engine. --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] ([[User talk:WTRiker|talk]]) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (EST)
:::Played Midnight again. Looked over the ships again. I also noticed, in the background with the Broadswords, a sort of bell-shaped capital. Charon, maybe? --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] ([[User talk:WTRiker|talk]]) 02:15, 3 January 2013 (EST)

::::The bell shaped one may just be this ship considering they have a similar shape/outline. Otherwise its impossible to know as trying to fly towards them causes the BrSw to disappear or explode (kill barrier) regardless if you used the [[Midnight vacation]] glitch (tried it!).--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 20:19, 5 January 2013 (EST)

==Co-op Play in Campaign and in Spartan Ops==

While I can sorta guess who I might play as in Spartan Ops (as one of the many Spartan-IVs), I don't know who I would be playing as during cooperative campaign. I assume I'm either another Master Chief or perhaps maybe, however unlikely, a Spartan-IV. Or is there even a cooperative campaign? I hope so, at least that won't have changed since the other ''Halo'' games. So, assuming there is a cooperative campaign, who is the second, third, and fourth players, if any? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 15:23, 2 December 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
:Yeah, there is co-op Campaign. It's the same as ''Halo: CE'' and ''Halo 2'', where you play as a 'clone' of the Chief when canonically it's just the Chief fighting.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:29, 2 December 2012 (EST)

== Cut content ==

Hey, not sure what pages this would belong on or if it would have its own page. I haven't seen it on here anywhere (though I may have just missed it) so I figured I'd put it here. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/12/these-halo-4-armour-abilities-didnt-make-the-cut/ Two cut armour abilities from Halo 4.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 22:55, 30 December 2012 (EST)

== Cite error: Invalid == 
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Not sure how to fix. [[Special:Contributions/72.12.219.170|72.12.219.170]] 10:16, 12 January 2013 (EST)  
:I'll see what I can do about the cite error on the page.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:32, 12 January 2013 (EST)

== Split Spartan Ops content from Halo 4 ==

I think the article would be better presented to readers and editors if we were to move (and add future) Spartan Ops content to the [[Spartan Ops]] article. This would improve the Spartan Ops article by providing more relevant information on the characters, locations, events, and what-not to readers. For this article, we could include something like "For a complete list of features of Spartan Ops, please visit [[Spartan Ops]]" at the beginning and/or end of the Features section. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  21:31, 4 February 2013 (EST)
:I was thinking the same thing for a while now. I don't have a problem with this.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 06:48, 5 February 2013 (EST)

== Doritos and Mt. Dew ==

Should we add a section about the double exp from the doritos and Mt. Dew? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 00:21, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
:I figured that it would have been in the article already. I think it would be within the article's scope to have a mention of it in the article. Then we could use the Main Article template for those who want to read it's [[Unlock & Load Double XP|article]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:11, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

==Xbox One and ''Halo 4''==

Hey, I was just wondering if ''Halo 4'' would be re-released for Xbox One. Is there any information on that? Because if it is, that would be really cool. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 18:47, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:If it really isn't backwards compatible with XBox 360 then they'll have to if they want to continue Spartan Ops. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 20:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
::At present there are no plans for another season of Spartan Ops on the 360. When season 2 does come, it will be in ''Halo 5'', not ''Halo 4''. Because the system won't be backwards compatible, it would essentially require the same effort as porting it to the PC, which would divert manpower away from the next ''Halo'' title, or else require them to use a third-party studio to do the job. The two consoles will also use different versions of Xbox LIVE, meaning online play won't cross platforms. This would effectively split the community as early adopters switch to the new console, while others continue to play on the 360. 343 has already shown they don't like doing this, which is why they chose to use ''Halo: Reach'''s multiplayer for ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary''. So, short answer: No. There has been no information on any ''Halo 4'' re-release, and in my opinion, that's because there won't be one, at least not any time soon.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 21:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Well, maybe there might be some kind of patch then. I have actually played Xbox games on an Xbox 360, games like ''Halo 2'' and stuff. Very possibly. But it seems there neither any confirmations or denials of any kind. But of course this is entirely speculation. But it would certainly be nice if it was re-released. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 21:19, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
Has it been confirmed that Spartan Ops won't be coming back on 360? The way I understood it was that Spartan Ops was going to take up the time between the games and the games were going to come out every two years. So if that is accurate there is all the time between now and fall of next year for season two and maybe even a third to come out if second season comes out this fall and season three in the summer then four five and six can fill the gap between Halo 5 and 6. [[User:TLLorax|TLLorax]] ([[User talk:TLLorax|talk]]) 21:30, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
:[http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/Headlines/post/2013/03/28/The-Halo-Bulletin-32813.aspx The Halo Bulletin 3.28.2013]: ''"There is no “Season 2” of Spartan Ops scheduled at the moment, but rest assured the story of Crimson, the Infinity and those characters and events is far from over. - Frank"''. They really wrapped things up nicely/wrote themselves into a corner by destroying Requiem, and with it nearly all of the in-game environments. They'd need to start from scratch for a new season, setting up a whole new location for the conflict. Any time they spend on that is time not spent on ''Halo 5'', and they've already got a pretty tight deadline on ''5''. Remember that Bungie had 3 full years between their proper installments (not including ''ODST'', which reused the engine and assets from ''3''). If we're correct, and the next ''Halo'' is scheduled for Q4 2014, that means 343 is being asked to create a whole new game on a whole new console in only 2 years. That's a pretty tall order. That's why I think they pushed out the map packs so quickly. The last ''Halo 3'' map pack was released two years after the game. ''Reach'''s Anniversary pack was 14 months after the game. Yet 343 released all 3 of ''Halo 4''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s packs in just 5 months. I believe that's because they immediately started on ''Halo 5''. I'm not saying definitively that there will be no ''Halo 4'' on the Xbox One, or that there will be no second season of Spartan Ops for ''Halo 4''. I'm just saying, "Don't hold your breath."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 22:40, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

==Halol==
I was wondering wether we should bring up in the "reception" section how quickly everyone turned against Halo 4. I mean, it seems like a no brainer to me, but since it hasn't been adresses by media outlets or anything I wasn't sure if we could do that? Unbelievably bitchin' Lego dropships don't just build themselves. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 11:22, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
:I don't think that's necessary and it isn't notable enough for a mention. Not everyone "turned against" Halo 4. I myself don't necessarily hate Halo 4 as I still play it (as you can see in my "played games" under my profile) and do like it but I'm not impressed. Its more-so people turning against 343i for not putting in enough effort into Halo 4 as well as taking away features like campaign theater & scoring - which is what got me started with constantly ranting about how bad Halo 4 is.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:32, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

== Page load needs to improve ==
Per above, can someone trim down the page so that it loads faster? I frequent Halopedia on my cellphone but several articles with tons of images such as these take a while to load. Would appreciate if someone can improve the page load. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 23:40, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

==Halo 4 Spartan Rank-Up System==

Hey, I have just reached the rank of SR-50, but for some odd reason, I can't rank up any further, or at least, not in ''Spartan Ops''. I don't know if I can still rank up in War Games, so I have yet to try that in multiplayer. I know that SR-50 is not the final rank a SPARTAN-IV can achieve, because I have seen SR-90s and higher-ranking players in multiplayer. But anyway, I'd really like to know why I can't rank up while playing ''Spartan Ops''. Is there something I should know or download or something that would help me with this? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:52, 17 March 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:You have to enlist in one of the 10 [[Specializations]] in order to rank up another 10 and continue further from there until all 10 are completed.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:21, 17 March 2014 (EDT)