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Idk how wikis work, I never use them, but as I understand it, editing this page is how to discuss what changes should be made for armor customization pages. I thought I edited it yesterday but now it's not showing up, not sure what I am doing wrong. But anyway why does Halo 2 armor customzation not have its own article, when all the other games do? There is a link here for Halo 2 armor customization but the link doesn't work. Surely this page should exist?
== IMPORTANT - Armour Permutations: Split this page up? ==
== IMPORTANT - Armour Permutations: Split this page up? ==
This article is getting too big.
This article is getting too big.
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I have attempted to split this page up. I have pulled all the information we have on reach into a new article including all reach pictures from the gallery section but it continues to be ripped back to this article and the new one I created is being marked for deletion due to redundancy. This is highly annoying because whoever is doing it refuses to answer why they apparently do not want the article split or does not understand the concept of what I am doing. [[User talk:Griffmstr835|Griffmstr835]] 17:54, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
I have attempted to split this page up. I have pulled all the information we have on reach into a new article including all reach pictures from the gallery section but it continues to be ripped back to this article and the new one I created is being marked for deletion due to redundancy. This is highly annoying because whoever is doing it refuses to answer why they apparently do not want the article split or does not understand the concept of what I am doing. [[User talk:Griffmstr835|Griffmstr835]] 17:54, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
:Please take a loot at the article here and tell me if you like how it looks and whether or ot you feel it should be deleted.
:Please take a loot at the article [[The Armory (Halo: Reach Permutations)|here]] and tell me if you like how it looks and whether or ot you feel it should be deleted.
I know this has been around for a while now but I also agree that the page should be split. I was thinking that maybe we could avoid the new page's deletion if we have an official vote.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
I know this has been around for a while now but I also agree that the page should be split. I was thinking that maybe we could avoid the new page's deletion if we have an official vote.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
::So this vote has been sitting around for awhile now and no one has opposed to splitting the article. Are we ever going to split this article?--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 14:04, 8 December 2010 (EST)
===Support===
===Support===
*{{Support}}-  Page is far too long and has enough information to warrant a split--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
*{{Support}}-  Page is far too long and has enough information to warrant a split--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 08:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)  
*{{Support}}- Yeah its very crammed. If you split it into Halo 3/odst and Halo reach pages then you'll allow their respective info to be clearer. Right now you have to dig through a wall of text to find specific info. All available information has been gathered for reach or is on its way so we can move it now. We've already finished our templates and what not. Any new info isn't going to flood in and will be easily added.--File:Legendary.jpg|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>File:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 17:23, 18 November 2010 (EST)
   
*{{Support}}- I agree. The information regarding the three different games does warrent a split. How ever, if the page is split, I would sugggest that you make individual pages for the armor types, detailing, where they were used, created, and any significant history reguarding the piece.I would be happy to do this if you would like! Please post any requests for this on my board or talk page. Here is the link: [[User:Alpha Spartan A|Alpha Spartan A]]
*{{Support}}- I support the idea. it gives people the ability to find things easier instead of searching through the monument of items here. --[[User talk:Failamanjaro|Failamanjaro]] 23:30, 14 December 2010 (EST)
*{{Support}}- Splitting would make this page much more user-friendly.--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 19:39, 20 December 2010 (EST)
*{{Support}}- It will be much more easier to navigate the page, even with the contents box. "Do it."—Master Chief on [[Two Betrayals]]. [[User:Spartan331|S331]] 10:49, 14 January 2011 (EST)
 
===Neutral===
===Neutral===


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:''"Unlocking the Security Shoulders does not require an arbitrary amount of points. Rather, the player must unlock 39 Achievments. Ergo, the points can vary considerably. I can testify to this, since I had 810 points and no shoulders, but then I got my 39th achievement (820 points) and I've had them ever since!"''
:''"Unlocking the Security Shoulders does not require an arbitrary amount of points. Rather, the player must unlock 39 Achievments. Ergo, the points can vary considerably. I can testify to this, since I had 810 points and no shoulders, but then I got my 39th achievement (820 points) and I've had them ever since!"''


:If anyone can link a source that verifies the exact requirements, that would be fantastic. :) -- [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>Contributions</font>]]</sup> 13:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:If anyone can link a source that verifies the exact requirements, that would be fantastic. :) -- [[User:Manticore|<font color=black>'''Manticore'''</font>]] [[File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px|Manticore is a Halopedia administrator.]] <sup>[[User talk:Manticore|<font color=black>Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<font color=black>Contributions</font>]]</sup> 13:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


Also, as of 10/20/07, the Elite Commando shoulder armor still will not unlock, at least for some.
Also, as of 10/20/07, the Elite Commando shoulder armor still will not unlock, at least for some.
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I have all but one meta game achievement, no steppin razor, 815 gamerscore from 40 achivements and security shoulders. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 08:46, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
I have all but one meta game achievement, no steppin razor, 815 gamerscore from 40 achivements and security shoulders. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 08:46, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


:Read the timestamps on conversations before you post, Tasmania. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 18:56, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
:Read the timestamps on conversations before you post, Tasmania. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 18:56, September 25, 2009 (UTC)


== Elite Commando Shoulders ==
== Elite Commando Shoulders ==
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Yeah, the game guide is written by Bungie, which is an american company, and that's why it says armor instead of armour. - [[Special:Contributions/24.78.136.207|24.78.136.207]] 05:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the game guide is written by Bungie, which is an american company, and that's why it says armor instead of armour. - [[Special:Contributions/24.78.136.207|24.78.136.207]] 05:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


'''Both dilects''' are accepted as stated by CT. Leave the spelling of this type '''Alone''' [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<span title="SpecOps" style="color:DarkSlateGray">CoH</span>]] - - SCoH|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 05:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
'''Both dilects''' are accepted as stated by CT. Leave the spelling of this type '''Alone''' [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<span title="SpecOps" style="color:DarkSlateGray">CoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Ancients of Halopedia|<span title="Carrier Form" style="color: DarkSlateGray">AoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Standards Council of Halopedia|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 05:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


:He is wrong. The accepted standard on Halopedia is American English; Bungie is an American company. It is most definitely not necessary, however, to make an edit merely for the purpose of changing the dialect of spelling. If ''you'' continue to do it, I'll send you on another week long vacation. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 12:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:He is wrong. The accepted standard on Halopedia is American English; Bungie is an American company. It is most definitely not necessary, however, to make an edit merely for the purpose of changing the dialect of spelling. If ''you'' continue to do it, I'll send you on another week long vacation. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 12:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::As per Manticore. The accepted standard '''''is''''' American English. However, both spelling types '''are''' ultimately accepted, which is why we don't bother changing spellings. It'd be unfair to make all non-americans spell in american english, and vice versa. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::As per Manticore. The accepted standard '''''is''''' American English. However, both spelling types '''are''' ultimately accepted, which is why we don't bother changing spellings. It'd be unfair to make all non-americans spell in american english, and vice versa. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ti</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''ger'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''rr'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Orange">'''rr'''</font>]] 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


::Was that week vacation directed to me? because I clearly stated to leave the spelling dilects '''alone''' [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - - SCoH|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::Was that week vacation directed to me? because I clearly stated to leave the spelling dilects '''alone''' [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<span title="SpecOps" style="color:DarkSlateGray">CoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Ancients of Halopedia|<span title="Carrier Form" style="color: DarkSlateGray">AoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Standards Council of Halopedia|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry Manticore, I just read over it again and I think you ment that statement for the IP [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - - SCoH|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry Manticore, I just read over it again and I think you ment that statement for the IP [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<span title="SpecOps" style="color:DarkSlateGray">CoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Ancients of Halopedia|<span title="Carrier Form" style="color: DarkSlateGray">AoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Standards Council of Halopedia|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


::::I thought it was obvious it was directed at you. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 12:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I thought it was obvious it was directed at you. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 12:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


:::::Ok Look my friend I have stopped with the entire "Spelling dilects arguement" I only want to revert unlogical edits and vandals and edit grammar mistakes, and also edit spelling mistakes like... H4lo [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - - SCoH|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok Look my friend I have stopped with the entire "Spelling dilects arguement" I only want to revert unlogical edits and vandals and edit grammar mistakes, and also edit spelling mistakes like... H4lo [[User:Sub-71|<font color="Navy">5ub</font>]][[Special:EditCount/Sub-71|<font color="DarkBlue">nova</font>]] <nowiki>[</nowiki><small>[[User talk:Sub-71|<font color="MediumBlue">Comm<font color="DarkSlateGray">71</font></font>]] - [[Special:Emailuser/Sub-71|<font color="Blue">EComm</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">72</font>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sub-71|<font color="RoyalBlue">Intell</font>]] - [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<span title="SpecOps" style="color:DarkSlateGray">CoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Ancients of Halopedia|<span title="Carrier Form" style="color: DarkSlateGray">AoH</span>]] - [[Halopedia:Standards Council of Halopedia|<span title="Administrative Assistant and Cadet" style="color:DarkSlateGray">SCoH</span>]]</small><nowiki>]</nowiki> 12:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it is necesary to have one or the other, because when you go looking through the pages, one sentence will say "armor," the next "armour."
I think it is necesary to have one or the other, because when you go looking through the pages, one sentence will say "armor," the next "armour."
So, I am chosing to write "armor," nothing against the British, but Bungie is American, so it should really be "armor."
So, I am chosing to write "armor," nothing against the British, but Bungie is American, so it should really be "armor."


Yeah i agree with the other guy too that some sentences say armor and others say armour, that could be quite weird if someone is editing the pages and then the other guy changed it back, and it pretty much get annoyed when editing cause you will see more red doted lines underneath them... I support both dialects but it just feels easier if you dont see the red line / dots below them...[[User:.::souljer::.|<font color="red"><tt>'''Soul-Reaper'''</tt></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:.::souljer::.|<font color="orange">'''Can't talk...being chased !!'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[http://halopedian.com/Special:Editcount/.::souljer::. <font color="gold">Pepsi makes me High!</font>]</sub> <sup>UserWiki:.::souljer::.|<font color="silver">Project: PROMETHEUS</font>]]</sup> 17:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah i agree with the other guy too that some sentences say armor and others say armour, that could be quite weird if someone is editing the pages and then the other guy changed it back, and it pretty much get annoyed when editing cause you will see more red doted lines underneath them... I support both dialects but it just feels easier if you dont see the red line / dots below them...[[User:.::souljer::.|<font color="red"><tt>'''Soul-Reaper'''</tt></font>]]<sup>[[User talk:.::souljer::.|<font color="orange">'''Can't talk...being chased !!'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Editcount/.::souljer::. <font color="gold">Pepsi makes me High!</font>]</sub> <sup>[[UserWiki:.::souljer::.|<font color="silver">Project: PROMETHEUS</font>]]</sup> 17:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


Does it matter? --[[User talk:Burnoutexpert3|Burnoutexpert3]] 16:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Does it matter? --[[User talk:Burnoutexpert3|Burnoutexpert3]] 16:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
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There should be something in there the says all the unlockable Elite armor for people without Xbox Live just like that thing in there that says all the unlockable Spartan armor for people without Xbox live.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 22:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
There should be something in there the says all the unlockable Elite armor for people without Xbox Live just like that thing in there that says all the unlockable Spartan armor for people without Xbox live.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 22:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


I think that too. And why should we be forced to pay $60 a year for it? I want the Commando Harness, rouge helmet, and scout shoulders sooo bad, but the Bungie-Microsoft pathetic plan to get people to buy Xbox live just to get the armor is why they had to be cruel. "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)'" should be "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)' or 'Complete Campaign on Legendary with at least two skulls on'." But that's buisness. - [[User:Echo 1 |Cprl. Echo 1]] image: SpecHarness.jpg | 28px [[User_Talk:Echo 1 |High Resolution]] [[Special:Contributions/Echo 1 |Poor Quality]] 00:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
I think that too. And why should we be forced to pay $60 a year for it? I want the Commando Harness, rouge helmet, and scout shoulders sooo bad, but the Bungie-Microsoft pathetic plan to get people to buy Xbox live just to get the armor is why they had to be cruel. "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)'" should be "Unlock 'This Achievment (Online)' or 'Complete Campaign on Legendary with at least two skulls on'." But that's buisness. - [[User:Echo 1 |Cprl. Echo 1]] [[image: SpecHarness.jpg | 28px]] [[User_Talk:Echo 1 |High Resolution]] [[Special:Contributions/Echo 1 |Poor Quality]] 00:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
At least in Halo:Reach you can buy helmets instead of having to "earn" them.
--[[User talk:Failamanjaro|Failamanjaro]] 23:33, 14 December 2010 (EST)


== Prepare to drop? ==
== Prepare to drop? ==
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I know that Bungie confirmed that armor permutations have no effect on gameplay, but I think they might have a slight effect. I've noticed that sometimes while wearing certain armor permutations you seem to do better at a certain thing. I have a theory, for example CQB armor seems to slightly help you and keep you alive longer in close quarters combat, EOD seems to keep you alive longer when faced with explosives, and Scout armor seems to be more stealthy and makes it easier to snipe and sneak up on people. Could someone maybe test this theory with all the types of armor and maybe they could try different armor combination s.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 01:14, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
I know that Bungie confirmed that armor permutations have no effect on gameplay, but I think they might have a slight effect. I've noticed that sometimes while wearing certain armor permutations you seem to do better at a certain thing. I have a theory, for example CQB armor seems to slightly help you and keep you alive longer in close quarters combat, EOD seems to keep you alive longer when faced with explosives, and Scout armor seems to be more stealthy and makes it easier to snipe and sneak up on people. Could someone maybe test this theory with all the types of armor and maybe they could try different armor combination s.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 01:14, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


:Yeah, it's all in your head. If Bungies says it has no effect, it has no effect.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 01:51, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's all in your head. If Bungies says it has no effect, it has no effect.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 01:51, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


::Except where visuals come into play; the katana sticks out, the globe helmet is shiny as hell, Scout and recon have tiny less-reflective view ports, so on so on.--[[User talk:Kre &#39;Nunumee|Kre &#39;Nunumee]] 02:32, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
::Except where visuals come into play; the katana sticks out, the globe helmet is shiny as hell, Scout and recon have tiny less-reflective view ports, so on so on.--[[User talk:Kre &#39;Nunumee|Kre &#39;Nunumee]] 02:32, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
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:::What I was trying to say is that certain armor permutations have a skinnier profile while others have a larger profile and the shape could have some small unnoticeable effect ex. skinner armor is stealthier and harder to stick and aim at since it has a smaller profile. You know what they say, you won't knock it till you try it.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 01:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:::What I was trying to say is that certain armor permutations have a skinnier profile while others have a larger profile and the shape could have some small unnoticeable effect ex. skinner armor is stealthier and harder to stick and aim at since it has a smaller profile. You know what they say, you won't knock it till you try it.--[[User talk:Darth Malice the Destroyer|Darth Malice the Destroyer]] 01:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


::::Different armor permutations only ''appear'' different. All different permutations for both Spartans and Elites have the same size hit box. Permutations only effect how easily your character is seen. That said, the biggest difference is what colour you are and whether your head has a large visor. Beyond that any differences when it comes to shoulders and chests are negligible. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 02:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
::::Different armor permutations only ''appear'' different. All different permutations for both Spartans and Elites have the same size hit box. Permutations only effect how easily your character is seen. That said, the biggest difference is what colour you are and whether your head has a large visor. Beyond that any differences when it comes to shoulders and chests are negligible. --[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 02:09, October 1, 2009 (UTC)


== can you unlock armor in splitscreen co-op campiagn? ==
== can you unlock armor in splitscreen co-op campiagn? ==
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excuse my bad spelling and grammer. --[[User talk:Burnoutexpert3|Burnoutexpert3]] 15:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
excuse my bad spelling and grammer. --[[User talk:Burnoutexpert3|Burnoutexpert3]] 15:19, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


:Yes... because you're still playing the campaign. No offense, but that's a stupid question. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 15:24, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
:Yes... because you're still playing the campaign. No offense, but that's a stupid question. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 15:24, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


== Other Armor Unlocked ==
== Other Armor Unlocked ==
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== Lag reveals unfinished armor permutations and Campaign armor ==
== Lag reveals unfinished armor permutations and Campaign armor ==


:''See: [[Talk:Halo: Reach Multiplayer Beta#Lag reveals unfinished armor permutations and Campaign armor]].'' <span style="background:#ADA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>&nbsp;[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 03:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
:''See: [[Talk:Halo: Reach Multiplayer Beta#Lag reveals unfinished armor permutations and Campaign armor]].'' <span style="background:#ADA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]]&nbsp;[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 03:31, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


== Glitched Armor? ==
== Glitched Armor? ==
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I have ALL E.O.D. armor but I have not "completed" the entire campaign mode on legendary. the only mission the game says I "completed on legendary" is halo but I only did the rally point alpha! I did not complete the ENTIRE level front to back on legendary! When it says "to unlock this armor blah blah blah, Complete the CAMPAIGN mode" does it mean like the ENTIRE campaign or just the mission "halo" as it is the last mission in the campaign. Also I have the Elite Commando Shoulder Armor but I have NOT done the "Steppin' Razor" or the other acheivment ( I don't know which it is ) but either way I have it. Is this armor glitched or something? I would apreciate ANY help I could get. [[Special:Contributions/76.73.159.170|76.73.159.170]] 12:31, June 12, 2010 (UTC) Barry Lee Coleman Jr.
I have ALL E.O.D. armor but I have not "completed" the entire campaign mode on legendary. the only mission the game says I "completed on legendary" is halo but I only did the rally point alpha! I did not complete the ENTIRE level front to back on legendary! When it says "to unlock this armor blah blah blah, Complete the CAMPAIGN mode" does it mean like the ENTIRE campaign or just the mission "halo" as it is the last mission in the campaign. Also I have the Elite Commando Shoulder Armor but I have NOT done the "Steppin' Razor" or the other acheivment ( I don't know which it is ) but either way I have it. Is this armor glitched or something? I would apreciate ANY help I could get. [[Special:Contributions/76.73.159.170|76.73.159.170]] 12:31, June 12, 2010 (UTC) Barry Lee Coleman Jr.


The Commando Shoulders unlock automatically for everyone after the auto-updates are installed. The auto-updates are installed after you buy Halo 3: ODST or something. Further on, I don't know about the glitch for your E.O.D armor. On Halo 3: ODST, I completed the last level on Heroic, but I got no achievement: "Campaign Complete: Heroic". So, your game might be bugged or something, I don't know. [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo </b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>]] [[File:LocustHW.png|38px]] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby <span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 20:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
The Commando Shoulders unlock automatically for everyone after the auto-updates are installed. The auto-updates are installed after you buy Halo 3: ODST or something. Further on, I don't know about the glitch for your E.O.D armor. On Halo 3: ODST, I completed the last level on Heroic, but I got no achievement: "Campaign Complete: Heroic". So, your game might be bugged or something, I don't know. [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo </b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>]] [[File:LocustHW.png|38px]] ([http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Youngrubby <span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 20:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
==Recon in Reach?==
==Recon in Reach?==
Yah, yah, I know that people that get the Limited and Legendary editions get exclusive armor and effects (actually I am saving up to get the Legendary edition) and I know that you have to get Reach on the launch day to get Recon, but can you pre order Reach to get Recon in it?
Yah, yah, I know that people that get the Limited and Legendary editions get exclusive armor and effects (actually I am saving up to get the Legendary edition) and I know that you have to get Reach on the launch day to get Recon, but can you pre order Reach to get Recon in it?
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Is the haunted helmet real? I've only seen in it a video from August 24th 2010, and the person had like, WAY too many credits lol [[User talk:CrackLawliet|CrackLawliet]] 02:54, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Is the haunted helmet real? I've only seen in it a video from August 24th 2010, and the person had like, WAY too many credits lol [[User talk:CrackLawliet|CrackLawliet]] 02:54, September 20, 2010 (UTC)


Apparently there '''is '''a haunted helmet. The guy you saw it from was a modder. But there '''is a haunted helmet'''. You have to get all the armor first then you can put it on. <small><span style="border: 1px purple; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Phoenix Marathon|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Blue; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;SPARTAN-A110&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][[User:Phoenix Marathon/Talk Archive|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Phoenix Marathon|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[User:Phoenix Marathon/Guestbook|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;guestbook&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small>
Apparently there '''is '''a haunted helmet. The guy you saw it from was a modder. But there '''is a haunted helmet'''. You have to get all the armor first then you can put it on. [[File:Noblelogo.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 1px purple; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Phoenix Marathon|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Blue; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;SPARTAN-A110&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][[User:Phoenix Marathon/Talk Archive|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Phoenix Marathon|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[User:Phoenix Marathon/Guestbook|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;guestbook&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small>


Seriously? That's pretty sweet... [[User talk:CrackLawliet|CrackLawliet]] 02:59, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Seriously? That's pretty sweet... [[User talk:CrackLawliet|CrackLawliet]] 02:59, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
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==R attachment==
==R attachment==


Apparently, according to that Armor Perm picture, the R attachment on Assault/Sapper, Collar/Breacher, and HP/Parafoil, after purchasing them, you can get what's called an R attachment, I'm guessing which causes a Prosthetic arm. EM
Apparently, according to that Armor Perm picture, the R attachment on Assault/Sapper, Collar/Breacher, and HP/Parafoil, after purchasing them, you can get what's called an R attachment, I'm guessing which causes a Prosthetic arm. {{EM Sig}}


== Organization Proposal ==
== Organization Proposal ==
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I've noticed that this page, and the pages it links to, have become extremely disorganized. For example, half of the armor variants don't have their own articles, while others do. Additionally, some accessories have their own articles, instead of being integrated into a larger article for the variant that contains them.
I've noticed that this page, and the pages it links to, have become extremely disorganized. For example, half of the armor variants don't have their own articles, while others do. Additionally, some accessories have their own articles, instead of being integrated into a larger article for the variant that contains them.


I'm proposing that we combine all the constituent armor accessories for each variant into ONE article for the variant that they're in. For example, instead of having an article for Tactical/CHOBHAM, Tactical/HARD CASE, Tactical/SOFT CASE, Tactical/TRAUMA KIT, and Tactical/UGPS], these articles should be combined into a page titled MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Tactical.
I'm proposing that we combine all the constituent armor accessories for each variant into ONE article for the variant that they're in. For example, instead of having an article for [[Tactical/CHOBHAM]], [[Tactical/HARD CASE]], [[Tactical/SOFT CASE]], [[Tactical/TRAUMA KIT]], and [[Tactical/UGPS]], these articles should be combined into a page titled [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Tactical]].


Also, all variant articles should follow this format: '''MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/VARIANT NAME'''. Most of the armor permutation articles already have this, but there are a few that have names like Mark V(MP) MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor.
Also, all variant articles should follow this format: '''MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/VARIANT NAME'''. Most of the armor permutation articles already have this, but there are a few that have names like [[Mark V(MP) MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor]].


We also need to take the SPARTAN Armor template and change it so that only the variants are shown, not the individual accessories.
We also need to take the [[:Template:SPARTAN Armor|SPARTAN Armor]] template and change it so that only the variants are shown, not the individual accessories.


===Support===
===Support===
#{{Support}} - As per above. '''<span style="font-family: Square721 BT; color: MidnightBlue;"> / / [[User:Stryker117|<font color="MidnightBlue"><small>STRYKER</small></font>]]''' &nbsp; <small><font color="SteelBlue">[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">COM</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/M</font>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/S</font>]] | [[User:Stryker117/Adopt-a-User|<font color="SteelBlue">AAU/HUM</font>]] ]</font></small></span> 00:59, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
#{{Support}} - As per above. [[File:Noblelogo.png|30px]]'''<span style="font-family: Square721 BT; color: MidnightBlue;"> / / [[User:Stryker117|<font color="MidnightBlue"><small>STRYKER</small></font>]]''' &nbsp; <small><font color="SteelBlue">[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">COM</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/M</font>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/S</font>]] | [[User:Stryker117/Adopt-a-User|<font color="SteelBlue">AAU/HUM</font>]] ]</font></small></span> 00:59, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
#{{Support}} - Agreed. I was thinking of doing something similar but you beat me to it. The categories such as "TACTICAL", "UA" and so on aren't necessarily armor ''variants'' per se - they might just be names for categories of certain types of attachments. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
#{{Support}} - Agreed. I was thinking of doing something similar but you beat me to it. The categories such as "TACTICAL", "UA" and so on aren't necessarily armor ''variants'' per se - they might just be names for categories of certain types of attachments. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:39, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


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===Comments===
===Comments===


== About/Removal picture of Mark VI in Halo: Reach ==
== About/Removal picture of Mark VI in Halo: Reach ==
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I think it's worth mentioning in the trivia here or on Emile's page that to recreate his armour in The Armory you would need 999000 Cr, because that's insanely expensive. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:56, 17 November 2010 (EST)
I think it's worth mentioning in the trivia here or on Emile's page that to recreate his armour in The Armory you would need 999000 Cr, because that's insanely expensive. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:56, 17 November 2010 (EST)
It would make more sense to put that on emile's trivia. --[[User talk:Felix-119|Felix-119]] 08:34, 17 December 2010 (EST)
== add tag ==
im not a frequent editor on here no do i possess xbox live and it pisses the hell out of me looking at these armors and such (namely EVA[C]) that i cannot be sure if i can get. i propose that
A)a new image be found of all offline unlockable content
B)a list be made.
i know this isn't a pressing concern for most but it gets really annoying trying to get to something i see on the armor permutation page only to later find out i need live to get it.
== armour generator ==
does anyone know if theres a reach player generator? i tried vanity but its low quality and it broke down. ive seen some users with avatars that seem to have come from a reach player generator of some sort. Would one of these users please send me a link for the generator they used.
Bungie.net has one, though it's broken and won't display your armour right. Vanity is the only one so fat i think.[[User talk:Datadeleter|DatrDeletr]] 10:12, 17 December 2010 (EST)
Do you know when bungie.net's ag will be fixed? --[[User talk:Felix-119|Felix-119]] 05:12, 18 December 2010 (EST)
Vanity does not work at all. and bungie's search engine is down. are there any links to any Reach armour generator. I am sure that there are some users that must have used a reach armour generater for there avatars. i know one of them is Andrew 996. if he is reading this would he please send me the link he used. --[[User talk:Felix-119|Felix-119]] 06:14, 18 December 2010 (EST)
== Split article ==
I suport the idea of spliting the article. It should be split into Halo 3/O.D.S.T. and Reach. I am not much good at editing articles eccept for minor changes, so I can't do it though. --[[User:Supersniper100|Supersniper100]] ([[User talk:Supersniper100|talk]]) 21:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
== New Armour ==
I'm not taking any credit for this, I just found the thread:
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=56561871
The pic: [http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/xxoACEoxx/New_Armor.jpg]
Watch the vid, look at the pictures, and read the main post. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:22, 28 February 2011 (EST)
==Armor descriptions==
I was speaking with Sith Venator about the removal of armor descriptions from some MJOLNIR articles to avoid redundancy. I said some descriptions are only available if the armor has been unlocked (it depends on the game obviously), so it's better to keep the exact descriptions somewhere. Sometimes people can't go back to their 360 to check a description either (or they don't have the time to). So, if we are to remove the in-game descriptions, I suggest we put them on the "armor permutations" pages instead. Raw transcripts, even with the mistakes or the repetitive sentences (Halo 3...), it wouldn't matter on such a real-world page. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 12:14, 19 February 2016 (EST)
:Yeah, that sounds like the best way to go about it. I've actually been meaning to mention putting the descriptions on the permutations article, since we already have the visor color descriptions. It would be best to have it all in one place. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 13:26, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::Yeah this sounds fine, though H4+ articles will become huge. On a side note I would really like to get the H5G permutations page to be kind of like the H4 permutations page.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 19:22, 19 February 2016 (EST)

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