Forum:New Container for Help/Policies/Rule/Guideline pages help?: Difference between revisions

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Proposal

I am here to propose a template to make navigation for the Help/Policies/Rules/Guidelines easier. So I have made a couple things. I would love everyone to review before I implement them across the board. Note I use Containers as they appear on mobile, something I considered heavily as Help pages need to be helpful.

CIA's Updated Help:Contents page proposal

Here is a link to version 1 of my updated Help:Contents page. I propose this so everything is easier to navigate for users instead of them having to guess through trial and error in the Categories if they are there.

Proposed templates

These would be separated into separate templates so it can fill the Help Contents page. The separated templates could also go on every page where appropriate. So the About Page would get the Information Pages template, and so on. User:CIA391/Sandbox4/Test1

Halopedia Help Desk proposal

This template would use the separated templates above and be a hub template. And be a template made to go on every template. So instead of the Information Pages template being put onto the About page, this Template would instead. Pretty much this is an extreme version of what I propose above, where instead of one template showing 1 list of things, everything shows instead. I personally like both ideas. Hence why I am making this a vote. User:CIA391/Sandbox4/Test2

Votes for New Help:Contents page

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Support (1/1) Sysop

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Support — Of course I support this as I submitted it. -CIA391 (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

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Oppose - See my comment below — subtank 10:59, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Votes for the Separated Templates to be used on every page where appropriate

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Support (0/0) Sysop

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Support - See my comment. — subtank 11:21, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Neutral (1/1) Sysop

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Neutral — I am kinda 50/50 on either this or the Halopedia Help Desk template. -CIA391 (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

Against (0/0) Sysop

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Votes for the Halopedia Help Desk being used

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Support (0/0) Sysop

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Neutral (1/1) Sysop

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Neutral — I am kinda 50/50 on either this or the Seperated templates being used. -CIA391 (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

Against (1/1) Sysop

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Oppose - See my comment below. — — subtank 11:21, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Comments

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Please comment here.-CIA391 (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2017 (EDT)

Keep is simple, sweetie. There is no need to transform what is already a good, straightforward page into a template-filled page (more so on mobile). For Help:Contents to be helpful, that page simply needs to be updated with all those links you've provided in those templates and need not be filled with templates.

I prefer keeping the templates separate when implementing in their respective pages. As for your current design, I recommend the following content be removed from the templates as they are not quite necessary:

"Social Media" under Site Locations - Simply unnecessary. If we do have one, just link it up to Project:Community.
"Representing Halopedia" under Miscellaneous - A community consensus is needed for an appointment of a user to represent Halopedia for a certain occasion (and being an administrator is not an entitlement to such an appointment).
"Staff Handbook" under General Information - the entire rules and policies should already provide the dos and don'ts for the administration. Simply having another page may lead to conflict between the rules and policies.

While we're on this point, kindly note that I'll be making some design changes to the template for which you based your templates above. I hope these design changes will be affected on your templates.

I do not agree with the help desk template as it is too big and looks cluttered (more so on mobile). — subtank 11:16, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Ahh thank you for the feedback :) I needed this sorta stuff(I don't mind the bluntness its needed in a huge thing like this). If you'd like too I'd like more feedback in my extended explanations here.(Just so we are on the same page, but heh at least the ideas of them make sense)

"Social media" was more to just give plain descriptions on the Twitter, and Facebook accounts. Like who runs them and what to expect on them. Something I dont think is suited to the Community page. But I'll throw it together and show you it before it even gets linked anywhere then. :)
"Representing Halopedia" is more how users go around showing they edit for Halopedia. Aka its covering our backs if a user goes on Halo Nation(or another wiki or website) and decides to deface it (or something similar) in the name of Halopedia. Which is my main reason for it. We dont condone that by word of mouth right now, but its a great idea to have that in writing. Also shows to other sites how we stand if we catch anyone doing it.
Staff handbook was more an idea to group all the useful stuff for Admins, Patrollers, and so on. But that said all info can and will eventually be found on all usergroup pages. So no harm removing that. That I was thinking on removing and was only a remnant on when I thought it was a good idea.

And of course any improvements to the existing templates would certainly be useful. I would gladly update my test templates I threw together with them. :)

Now onto my updated Contents page. I thought templates might of made the page look nicer, I mean I personally think it looks great with all the templates in it on mobile. While the existing format using bullet-points messes up if the user has a smaller screen than normal.(Like a old iPhone or iPod touch for example I was trying to consider every option for this specific thing I don't want some users experiencing an issue something I do hope you consider)

And finally onto the Help Desk template. I agree its big and cluttered. It would suit a layout like the Template:Mjolnir more but due to Navboxs not appearing on mobile(Something I aim to fix after HIP as a personal project but thats a mute point right now) I cant do it right now cause Help pages are meant to be helpful. Mostly I submitted it as an option in case people liked the idea of it. But I get 100% now in its current form its bad.

Regardless thanks for voting!!.-CIA391 (talk) 17:05, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

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 :*"Social media" was more to just give plain descriptions on the Twitter, and Facebook accounts. Like who runs them and what to expect on them. Something I dont think is suited to the Community page. But I'll throw it together and show you it before it even gets linked anywhere then. :)
 :*"Representing Halopedia" is more how users go around showing they edit for Halopedia. Aka its covering our backs if a user goes on Halo Nation(or another wiki or website) and decides to deface it (or something similar) in the name of Halopedia. Which is my main reason for it. We dont condone that by word of mouth right now, but its a great idea to have that in writing. Also shows to other sites how we stand if we catch anyone doing it.
-:*Staff handbook was more an idea to group all the useful stuff for Admins, Patrollers, and so on. But that said all info can and will eventually be found on all pages. So no harm removing that. That I was thinking on removing and was only a remnant on when I thought it was a good idea.
+:*Staff handbook was more an idea to group all the useful stuff for Admins, Patrollers, and so on. But that said all info can and will eventually be found on all usergroup pages. So no harm removing that. That I was thinking on removing and was only a remnant on when I thought it was a good idea.
 :And of course any improvements to the existing templates would certainly be useful. I would gladly update my test templates I threw together with them. :)