Talk:Ross-Ziegler Blip: Difference between revisions

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:As I understand it, the Ross-Ziegler Blip is just a quantum anomaly, only detectable by 23rd Century scientific instruments, dated back to the Tarantian stage of the Pleistocene epoch. There appear to be no known mass extinctions that coincide with this, though one begins 50,000 years later. Given how rare it is for fossilisation to occur at all, this is unsurprising - the vast majority of corpses simply decay, are consumed by scavengers, etc. Even if we discovered every fossil that ever existed, this would constitute a small fraction of the number of species that have existed. For an individual creature to end up as a fossil is extraordinarily unlikely and rare, and the fact that we have so many is more an indication of population size, diversity and continuity. If they did their jobs right, the Forerunners could have wiped Earth clean, repopulated it within a few decades or centuries, and the fossil record would have been none the wiser. -- [[User:Specops306|Specops306]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|Qur'a 'Morhek]] 02:46, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

This is my current understanding of the firing of the Halo Array:

The Forerunners could not destroy the Flood, despite all their efforts, so constructed [[The Ark]] and the Halo rings as a last resort measure, also constructing multiple 'shelters', e.g.'shield worlds'. The corrupt AI [[Mendicant Bias]] gave Forerunner information to the Flood, so the defence systems suddenly would have become pointless to the Forerunners, as they could be followed to them by the Flood. Therefore the Forerunners 'indexed' all sentient life (meaning organisms with higher cognitive abilities that the Flood needs to survive on, for instance Humans and Elites) with DNA samples and/or actual organisms, and then fired the rings.

This brings us to a very large problem. Here, some of you state that except for plants (let's pretend there are just animals and plants in the universe, forgetting about the other kingdoms), all biomass was destroyed after the Rings fired. Yet the very quote on this article states that only 'certain' species were taken to the Ark, and we know that only 'sentient' species were taken to the Arc (this has been stated before, and is seen in Origins, where only Elites, Humans and other 'sentient' life are taken to the Ark). This already ruins the credibility of Halo: Evolutions, as the idea of only 'certain' species disappearing gets rid of the 'all biomass destroyed' and 'only humans removed from earth' theories are taken away, as apparently only a few species are removed (more than just humans), but not all (so not all biomass). The only theory that seems remotely plausible to me, however, is that only humans were removed from the Ark, as this would work with the fossil record that actually exists (as a biologist I can state that the human fossil record at about 100,000 years ago is scarce), and removing all species and then adding them again would make such a revolutionary change to the fossil record that it would be obvious to any paleontologist. I don't think anyone can disagree that not all animals were indexed and removed, and only sentient life was (this has been stated several times), but the whole situation becomes more interesting because the Librarian states that: "We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications." Is that a canonical error, or is there just a huge amount of Human-level life in the Halo universe? Even worse, I'm pretty sure Cortana states in Halo 1 that all biomass actually IS DESTROYED, so the Flood starves. But as I said, that contradicts just about every other thing we've heard.

As for which version of the Halo 'death ray' is the most plausible, once again the only one that really works is the Encyclopedia's 'harmonic pulse', because it wouldn't affect anything but sentient life like humans, so all other organisms on earth remain untouched. The idea of a ray that disintegrates life CANNOT WORK for the fact plants would be destroyed and would cease to exist.

Essentially to me there is a huge canon problem because different authors/scriptwriters simply don't bother to keep consistent with others. As I have stated before, if you believe EVERYTHING - encyclopedia, Legends, the games, and Halo: Evolutions, you will have a messed up jumble of problems that do not comply.

So this is the way I see it:

1) Forerunners index all SENTIENT life (humans, elites, jackals, etc.) and take types of specimens (DNA, organisms) to the Ark.

2) The Halo rings are fired, and a harmonic pulse wipes out all Sentient life left behind in the universe.

3) The Flood starve because they can't infect plants, bacteria, dogs, cats, frogs, etc. - ONLY sentient life. (In Legends when the Flood is seen as falling off ships it had taken that can be because the biggest forms, for instance the Gravemind, that NEED sentient biomass to be sustained also die, leaving only the spore forms - which are obviously still a threat, as they could start building a new gravemind all over again).

4) Humans and other species are reintroduced, explaining the blip seen in the fossil record (the author of the quote on this article should have said in Evolutions that only the human fossil record disappears for a bit, NOT 'certain' species, though these 'certain' species could include the other members of the Homo genus that could have been living then, e.g. Neanderthals).

For the record, Plasmic Physics has been the voice of reason, because he/she understands the contradiction in canon we already have. [[User talk:AlexB1001|AlexB1001]] 14:12, 14 December 2010 (EST)

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 :As I understand it, the Ross-Ziegler Blip is just a quantum anomaly, only detectable by 23rd Century scientific instruments, dated back to the Tarantian stage of the Pleistocene epoch. There appear to be no known mass extinctions that coincide with this, though one begins 50,000 years later. Given how rare it is for fossilisation to occur at all, this is unsurprising - the vast majority of corpses simply decay, are consumed by scavengers, etc. Even if we discovered every fossil that ever existed, this would constitute a small fraction of the number of species that have existed. For an individual creature to end up as a fossil is extraordinarily unlikely and rare, and the fact that we have so many is more an indication of population size, diversity and continuity. If they did their jobs right, the Forerunners could have wiped Earth clean, repopulated it within a few decades or centuries, and the fossil record would have been none the wiser. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:46, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
+This is my current understanding of the firing of the Halo Array:
+The Forerunners could not destroy the Flood, despite all their efforts, so constructed [[The Ark]] and the Halo rings as a last resort measure, also constructing multiple 'shelters', e.g.'shield worlds'. The corrupt AI [[Mendicant Bias]] gave Forerunner information to the Flood, so the defence systems suddenly would have become pointless to the Forerunners, as they could be followed to them by the Flood. Therefore the Forerunners 'indexed' all sentient life (meaning organisms with higher cognitive abilities that the Flood needs to survive on, for instance Humans and Elites) with DNA samples and/or actual organisms, and then fired the rings.
+This brings us to a very large problem. Here, some of you state that except for plants (let's pretend there are just animals and plants in the universe, forgetting about the other kingdoms), all biomass was destroyed after the Rings fired. Yet the very quote on this article states that only 'certain' species were taken to the Ark, and we know that only 'sentient' species were taken to the Arc (this has been stated before, and is seen in Origins, where only Elites, Humans and other 'sentient' life are taken to the Ark). This already ruins the credibility of Halo: Evolutions, as the idea of only 'certain' species disappearing gets rid of the 'all biomass destroyed' and 'only humans removed from earth' theories are taken away, as apparently only a few species are removed (more than just humans), but not all (so not all biomass). The only theory that seems remotely plausible to me, however, is that only humans were removed from the Ark, as this would work with the fossil record that actually exists (as a biologist I can state that the human fossil record at about 100,000 years ago is scarce), and removing all species and then adding them again would make such a revolutionary change to the fossil record that it would be obvious to any paleontologist. I don't think anyone can disagree that not all animals were indexed and removed, and only sentient life was (this has been stated several times), but the whole situation becomes more interesting because the Librarian states that: "We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications." Is that a canonical error, or is there just a huge amount of Human-level life in the Halo universe? Even worse, I'm pretty sure Cortana states in Halo 1 that all biomass actually IS DESTROYED, so the Flood starves. But as I said, that contradicts just about every other thing we've heard.
+As for which version of the Halo 'death ray' is the most plausible, once again the only one that really works is the Encyclopedia's 'harmonic pulse', because it wouldn't affect anything but sentient life like humans, so all other organisms on earth remain untouched. The idea of a ray that disintegrates life CANNOT WORK for the fact plants would be destroyed and would cease to exist.
+Essentially to me there is a huge canon problem because different authors/scriptwriters simply don't bother to keep consistent with others. As I have stated before, if you believe EVERYTHING - encyclopedia, Legends, the games, and Halo: Evolutions, you will have a messed up jumble of problems that do not comply.
+So this is the way I see it:
+) Forerunners index all SENTIENT life (humans, elites, jackals, etc.) and take types of specimens (DNA, organisms) to the Ark.
+) The Halo rings are fired, and a harmonic pulse wipes out all Sentient life left behind in the universe.
+) The Flood starve because they can't infect plants, bacteria, dogs, cats, frogs, etc. - ONLY sentient life. (In Legends when the Flood is seen as falling off ships it had taken that can be because the biggest forms, for instance the Gravemind, that NEED sentient biomass to be sustained also die, leaving only the spore forms - which are obviously still a threat, as they could start building a new gravemind all over again).
+) Humans and other species are reintroduced, explaining the blip seen in the fossil record (the author of the quote on this article should have said in Evolutions that only the human fossil record disappears for a bit, NOT 'certain' species, though these 'certain' species could include the other members of the Homo genus that could have been living then, e.g. Neanderthals).
+For the record, Plasmic Physics has been the voice of reason, because he/she understands the contradiction in canon we already have. [[User talk:AlexB1001|AlexB1001]] 14:12, 14 December 2010 (EST)