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:I suppose we finally get a confirmation on the ambiguity of whether Johnson survived because a quirk in his ORION augmentations somehow made him immune or just because of his combat skill alone (I thought the latter was already made clear by ''Breaking Quarantine''). Either that, or it's because the Flood chose to ignore him.--[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Yeah, the idea of a virtually omnipotent cosmic force being thwarted by a more-or-less failed genetic experiment was hard to swallow. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ~~[[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]]~~ ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Yeah, the idea of a virtually omnipotent cosmic force being thwarted by a more-or-less failed genetic experiment was hard to swallow. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

==Reclaimers==

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:The Ur-Didact is apparently not the only Forerunner who has a problem with the Reclaimer thing. Then again, Catalog has been left out of the loop on some matters for a very long time so its information is probably outdated. I'm thinking the last part is referring to the Librarian's own, unsanctioned modifications to humanity's geas which were, originally, supposed to be punitive in nature as mandated by the Old Council.--[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::The Bestiarum's Reclaimer entry obviously refers to John specifically. However, the confirmation that Reclaimers are genetically modified makes me think ''Homo sapiens augueous'' could refer to the entire genetic line of genesong-implanted humans. Then again, [EDIT: ''H. sapiens augueous''] may just as well apply only to Spartans. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::The Bestiarum's Reclaimer entry obviously refers to John specifically. However, the confirmation that Reclaimers are genetically modified makes me think ''Homo sapiens augueous'' could refer to the entire genetic line of genesong-implanted humans. Then again, [EDIT: ''H. sapiens augueous''] may just as well apply only to Spartans. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:::But then we have Guilty Spark referring to Miranda Keyes as a Reclaimer (''"Please, use caution! This Reclaimer is delicate."''). So I suspect it's got to do with all humans who carry a geas in one form or another (we still don't know the different ways these things can manifest themselves). In Miranda's case, she's the daughter of Halsey so it's only natural she's got the same genetic markers as her omnidisciplinary super-genius mother. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

::::My last post wasn't clearly written. When I said, "... it may just as well apply only to Spartans", I was referring to ''Homo sapiens augueous''. I think the idea that only certain humans are Reclaimers meshes well with ''The Forerunner Saga''. Compare Bungie's take on the Forerunners to 343i's and the very concept of Reclamation takes on a new light. That being said not many humans have been identified as Reclaimers: Halsey, Miranda, the S-IIs, and Anders go without saying; Johnson probably was as well. Fireteam Crimson is probably composed of Reclaimers given how they can interface with Forerunner technology like it's second nature. Am I leaving any out? --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 10:21, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

::::My last post wasn't clearly written. When I said, "... it may just as well apply only to Spartans", I was referring to ''Homo sapiens augueous''. I think the idea that only certain humans are Reclaimers meshes well with ''The Forerunner Saga''. Compare Bungie's take on the Forerunners to 343i's and the very concept of Reclamation takes on a new light. That being said not many humans have been identified as Reclaimers: Halsey, Miranda, the S-IIs, and Anders go without saying; Johnson probably was as well. Fireteam Crimson is probably composed of Reclaimers given how they can interface with Forerunner technology like it's second nature. Am I leaving any out? --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 10:21, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

==Installation 07's quarantine?==

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:I wonder if this was supposed to be referring to Installation 05? Installation 07 has no quarantine that we know of. And wasn't the Flood on Installation 07 fully contained before it was sent to its final location - as in, it wouldn't have an "infected zone"? --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Maybe Catalog will issue errata soon. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Maybe Catalog will issue errata soon. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

==Didact's Epilogue speech==

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:When this happened is anyone's guess, since we know it couldn't have happened in ''Silentium''.--[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Catalog's records must have been tampered with. I detect logic plague markers. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Catalog's records must have been tampered with. I detect logic plague markers. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider~~]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px~~]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

::::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2972786_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms-100.aspx#post2972786 The plot thickens.] --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

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:343i is working on a proper ''Halo'' universe technical manual which actually goes into detail about tech like FTL comms? Would be a dream come true.--[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::A guide along the lines of the ''Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual'' would be stellar. I think I'm going to dig out my copy now. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ~~[[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]]~~ ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::A guide along the lines of the ''Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual'' would be stellar. I think I'm going to dig out my copy now. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

==Palmer's rank==

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:Oh, come on. That wasn't the right answer. I get that they want to tell us how great of a combatant she is (no doubt in reaction to some backlash to Spartan Ops that she never gets her hands dirty) but they could've done that while still maintaining the rank that made sense. But it would certainly explain why she seems to be so out of her depth in her current job. A good foot soldier does not automatically a good leader make.--[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Thanks to ''Initiation'' we know Palmer is terribly underqualified in addition to having a colossal inferiority complex. What was Musa thinking? At least it explains her wretchedly unprofessional demeanor. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ~~[[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]]~~ ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::Thanks to ''Initiation'' we know Palmer is terribly underqualified in addition to having a colossal inferiority complex. What was Musa thinking? At least it explains her wretchedly unprofessional demeanor. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:::Maybe Musa has been converted by the Parangosky faction of ONI and received the requisite lobotomy it entails? Or Parangosky/Osman still maintain a firm grip on the Spartans and will only place people they can easily control in positions of command.

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:::It's easy and tempting to jump on the hate bandwagon (not saying either of you have, just making a general observation) but I just wish they'd acknowledge Palmer's flaws and use that to build a growth arc for her. Not act like her behavior is perfectly acceptable of someone of her rank and responsibility. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

::::Which is one reason I like [[Halo: Escalation]]. Palmer is actually likable. As for Palmer's rank...can we kidnap Catalog?[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider~~]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px~~]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 02:20, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

::::Which is one reason I like [[Halo: Escalation]]. Palmer is actually likable. As for Palmer's rank...can we kidnap Catalog?[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 02:20, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']]([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

:I agree. It feels like 343i set out to create the Halo equivalent of Commander Shepard (hence Jennifer Hale) but ended up with the equivalent of James Vega instead. If Vega was more neurotic and irreverent. And also an officer instead of a mere grunt. There's a funny bit of copypasta around (I believe it was originally posted on Reddit or /v/) which reinvents Palmer's manic anti-intellectualism as a result of childhood trauma — she'd wanted to pursue a career in science but her abusive father practically forced her into the military (while repeatedly yelling "egghead" at her face). It doesn't quite fit with the official story of her parents being anti-UNSC, but it would certainly explain her behavior and make her more sympathetic. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

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:I like all these mentions of human-Sangheili cooperation. Bit of a breath of fresh air after Kilo-Five and ''Halo 4''. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::It's a nice throwback to the ''Halo 3''-era notion of the UNSC and the Arbiter's forces getting along quite well, the overly idealistic "everybody's friends now" elements having been thoroughly deconstructed. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::It's a nice throwback to the ''Halo 3''-era notion of the UNSC and the Arbiter's forces getting along quite well, the overly idealistic "everybody's friends now" elements having been thoroughly deconstructed. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I never bought too much into the "humans and Elites holding hands and singing Kumbaya" approach a lot of people seemed to assume went on after the war, but there's something to be said about the direction the Covenant as a whole have been taken over the last few years, which they're clearly dialing back now. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

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Discrepancy the result of historical [propaganda] considerations during intial [sphere] expansion [obiter dictum]."''

:In other words, Harvest isn't especially far from Earth in a linear sense. Rather, the nature of slipspace in the Epsilon Indi system greatly increases inbound and outbound FTL travel time. The propaganda in question was probably an appeal to the hardworking nature of the farmer-types who would one day settle Harvest. The idea of living on the most distant human colony (from a certain point of view, that is) would undoubtedly resonate with the adventurous spirit of the 25th century Vikings who settled the planet. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:In other words, Harvest isn't especially far from Earth in a linear sense. Rather, the nature of slipspace in the Epsilon Indi system greatly increases inbound and outbound FTL travel time. The propaganda in question was probably an appeal to the hardworking nature of the farmer-types who would one day settle Harvest. The idea of living on the most distant human colony (from a certain point of view, that is) would undoubtedly resonate with the adventurous spirit of the 25th century Vikings who settled the planet. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']]([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::So, I suppose modern-day astronomy can't really be relied on at all when measuring distances in the ''Haloverse''. Though this is probably one of the better solutions to the issue, which could never really have received a completely and utterly satisfactory answer. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

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''"Query Answer: Reconciliation costs scale non-linearly with discrepancy in [information] transfer between locations and [brane] tension. Vessel mass is primarily a consideration with [slip stream space] transit energy requirements and [buffer] generation."''

:This one is kind of a handwave but it's consistent with the nature of slipspace as presented in ''The Forerunner Saga''. Long story short, a ship's mass influences the energy required for slipspace travel but doesn't directly correlate to reconciliation. The metaphorical "thickness" of the space-time brane in a given area determines the severity of reconciliation. I guess the idea that proto-Forerunner or even Precursor tech hampered ''Audacity''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s journey by disrupting local space-time isn't so far-fetched after all. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''~~]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px~~]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:This one is kind of a handwave but it's consistent with the nature of slipspace as presented in ''The Forerunner Saga''. Long story short, a ship's mass influences the energy required for slipspace travel but doesn't directly correlate to reconciliation. The metaphorical "thickness" of the space-time brane in a given area determines the severity of reconciliation. I guess the idea that proto-Forerunner or even Precursor tech hampered ''Audacity''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s journey by disrupting local space-time isn't so far-fetched after all. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

::I like the idea that there is some arcane megascale tech that basically multiplies the geometric distance to the LMC; perhaps imposed by the early Precursors to stall their demise, or by the Forerunners themselves afterwards. It would certainly fit in with the massive species-wide guilt they had going on after the genocide. That might even justify the (obviously erroneous) reference to "millions" of lightyears in ''Silentium'', if we assume that to be the ''de facto'' distance from a slipspace-based perspective. It's probable this will never be explained or made canon, but it's fun to speculate. There's still very little we know of the really ancient past of the Forerunners and the Precursors (and what we know comes from more or less unreliable and occasionally contradicting sources) and I think that's a good thing. There should always be some element of mystery present. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

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==Latin==

I really enjoy Catalog's extensive use of Latin. It provides a nice bit of continuity with ''Ghosts of Onyx'' and (to a lesser extent) ''Halo 3''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s terminals. ''"Cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum"'' is a legal term. It essentially means (in modern parlance) "He who owns a piece of land also owns the local airspace." --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ~~[[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]]~~ ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

I really enjoy Catalog's extensive use of Latin. It provides a nice bit of continuity with ''Ghosts of Onyx'' and (to a lesser extent) ''Halo 3''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s terminals. ''"Cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum"'' is a legal term. It essentially means (in modern parlance) "He who owns a piece of land also owns the local airspace." --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:Oh, thanks. Should've looked it up instead of just running it through Google Translate. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

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 :I suppose we finally get a confirmation on the ambiguity of whether Johnson survived because a quirk in his ORION augmentations somehow made him immune or just because of his combat skill alone (I thought the latter was already made clear by ''Breaking Quarantine''). Either that, or it's because the Flood chose to ignore him.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::Yeah, the idea of a virtually omnipotent cosmic force being thwarted by a more-or-less failed genetic experiment was hard to swallow. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::Yeah, the idea of a virtually omnipotent cosmic force being thwarted by a more-or-less failed genetic experiment was hard to swallow. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :The Ur-Didact is apparently not the only Forerunner who has a problem with the Reclaimer thing. Then again, Catalog has been left out of the loop on some matters for a very long time so its information is probably outdated. I'm thinking the last part is referring to the Librarian's own, unsanctioned modifications to humanity's geas which were, originally, supposed to be punitive in nature as mandated by the Old Council.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::The Bestiarum's Reclaimer entry obviously refers to John specifically. However, the confirmation that Reclaimers are genetically modified makes me think ''Homo sapiens augueous'' could refer to the entire genetic line of genesong-implanted humans. Then again, [EDIT: ''H. sapiens augueous''] may just as well apply only to Spartans. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::The Bestiarum's Reclaimer entry obviously refers to John specifically. However, the confirmation that Reclaimers are genetically modified makes me think ''Homo sapiens augueous'' could refer to the entire genetic line of genesong-implanted humans. Then again, [EDIT: ''H. sapiens augueous''] may just as well apply only to Spartans. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 :::But then we have Guilty Spark referring to Miranda Keyes as a Reclaimer (''"Please, use caution! This Reclaimer is delicate."''). So I suspect it's got to do with all humans who carry a geas in one form or another (we still don't know the different ways these things can manifest themselves). In Miranda's case, she's the daughter of Halsey so it's only natural she's got the same genetic markers as her omnidisciplinary super-genius mother. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
-::::My last post wasn't clearly written. When I said, "... it may just as well apply only to Spartans", I was referring to ''Homo sapiens augueous''. I think the idea that only certain humans are Reclaimers meshes well with ''The Forerunner Saga''. Compare Bungie's take on the Forerunners to 343i's and the very concept of Reclamation takes on a new light. That being said not many humans have been identified as Reclaimers: Halsey, Miranda, the S-IIs, and Anders go without saying; Johnson probably was as well. Fireteam Crimson is probably composed of Reclaimers given how they can interface with Forerunner technology like it's second nature. Am I leaving any out? --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:21, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
+::::My last post wasn't clearly written. When I said, "... it may just as well apply only to Spartans", I was referring to ''Homo sapiens augueous''. I think the idea that only certain humans are Reclaimers meshes well with ''The Forerunner Saga''. Compare Bungie's take on the Forerunners to 343i's and the very concept of Reclamation takes on a new light. That being said not many humans have been identified as Reclaimers: Halsey, Miranda, the S-IIs, and Anders go without saying; Johnson probably was as well. Fireteam Crimson is probably composed of Reclaimers given how they can interface with Forerunner technology like it's second nature. Am I leaving any out? --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:21, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :I wonder if this was supposed to be referring to Installation 05? Installation 07 has no quarantine that we know of. And wasn't the Flood on Installation 07 fully contained before it was sent to its final location - as in, it wouldn't have an "infected zone"? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::Maybe Catalog will issue errata soon. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::Maybe Catalog will issue errata soon. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :When this happened is anyone's guess, since we know it couldn't have happened in ''Silentium''.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::Catalog's records must have been tampered with. I detect logic plague markers. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::Catalog's records must have been tampered with. I detect logic plague markers. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
+:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
 ::::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2972786_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms-100.aspx#post2972786 The plot thickens.] --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :343i is working on a proper ''Halo'' universe technical manual which actually goes into detail about tech like FTL comms? Would be a dream come true.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::A guide along the lines of the ''Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual'' would be stellar. I think I'm going to dig out my copy now. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::A guide along the lines of the ''Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual'' would be stellar. I think I'm going to dig out my copy now. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :Oh, come on. That wasn't the right answer. I get that they want to tell us how great of a combatant she is (no doubt in reaction to some backlash to Spartan Ops that she never gets her hands dirty) but they could've done that while still maintaining the rank that made sense. But it would certainly explain why she seems to be so out of her depth in her current job. A good foot soldier does not automatically a good leader make.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::Thanks to ''Initiation'' we know Palmer is terribly underqualified in addition to having a colossal inferiority complex. What was Musa thinking? At least it explains her wretchedly unprofessional demeanor. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::Thanks to ''Initiation'' we know Palmer is terribly underqualified in addition to having a colossal inferiority complex. What was Musa thinking? At least it explains her wretchedly unprofessional demeanor. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 :::Maybe Musa has been converted by the Parangosky faction of ONI and received the requisite lobotomy it entails? Or Parangosky/Osman still maintain a firm grip on the Spartans and will only place people they can easily control in positions of command.
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 :::It's easy and tempting to jump on the hate bandwagon (not saying either of you have, just making a general observation) but I just wish they'd acknowledge Palmer's flaws and use that to build a growth arc for her. Not act like her behavior is perfectly acceptable of someone of her rank and responsibility. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
-::::Which is one reason I like [[Halo: Escalation]]. Palmer is actually likable. As for Palmer's rank...can we kidnap Catalog?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:20, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
+::::Which is one reason I like [[Halo: Escalation]]. Palmer is actually likable. As for Palmer's rank...can we kidnap Catalog?[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:20, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
-I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
+I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
 :I agree. It feels like 343i set out to create the Halo equivalent of Commander Shepard (hence Jennifer Hale) but ended up with the equivalent of James Vega instead. If Vega was more neurotic and irreverent. And also an officer instead of a mere grunt. There's a funny bit of copypasta around (I believe it was originally posted on Reddit or /v/) which reinvents Palmer's manic anti-intellectualism as a result of childhood trauma — she'd wanted to pursue a career in science but her abusive father practically forced her into the military (while repeatedly yelling "egghead" at her face). It doesn't quite fit with the official story of her parents being anti-UNSC, but it would certainly explain her behavior and make her more sympathetic. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :I like all these mentions of human-Sangheili cooperation. Bit of a breath of fresh air after Kilo-Five and ''Halo 4''. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:13, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
-::It's a nice throwback to the ''Halo 3''-era notion of the UNSC and the Arbiter's forces getting along quite well, the overly idealistic "everybody's friends now" elements having been thoroughly deconstructed. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+::It's a nice throwback to the ''Halo 3''-era notion of the UNSC and the Arbiter's forces getting along quite well, the overly idealistic "everybody's friends now" elements having been thoroughly deconstructed. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 :::Yeah, I never bought too much into the "humans and Elites holding hands and singing Kumbaya" approach a lot of people seemed to assume went on after the war, but there's something to be said about the direction the Covenant as a whole have been taken over the last few years, which they're clearly dialing back now. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
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 Discrepancy the result of historical [propaganda] considerations during intial [sphere] expansion [obiter dictum]."''
-:In other words, Harvest isn't especially far from Earth in a linear sense. Rather, the nature of slipspace in the Epsilon Indi system greatly increases inbound and outbound FTL travel time. The propaganda in question was probably an appeal to the hardworking nature of the farmer-types who would one day settle Harvest. The idea of living on the most distant human colony (from a certain point of view, that is) would undoubtedly resonate with the adventurous spirit of the 25th century Vikings who settled the planet. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+:In other words, Harvest isn't especially far from Earth in a linear sense. Rather, the nature of slipspace in the Epsilon Indi system greatly increases inbound and outbound FTL travel time. The propaganda in question was probably an appeal to the hardworking nature of the farmer-types who would one day settle Harvest. The idea of living on the most distant human colony (from a certain point of view, that is) would undoubtedly resonate with the adventurous spirit of the 25th century Vikings who settled the planet. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 ::So, I suppose modern-day astronomy can't really be relied on at all when measuring distances in the ''Haloverse''. Though this is probably one of the better solutions to the issue, which could never really have received a completely and utterly satisfactory answer. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
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 ''"Query Answer: Reconciliation costs scale non-linearly with discrepancy in [information] transfer between locations and [brane] tension. Vessel mass is primarily a consideration with [slip stream space] transit energy requirements and [buffer] generation."''
-:This one is kind of a handwave but it's consistent with the nature of slipspace as presented in ''The Forerunner Saga''. Long story short, a ship's mass influences the energy required for slipspace travel but doesn't directly correlate to reconciliation. The metaphorical "thickness" of the space-time brane in a given area determines the severity of reconciliation. I guess the idea that proto-Forerunner or even Precursor tech hampered ''Audacity''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s journey by disrupting local space-time isn't so far-fetched after all. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+:This one is kind of a handwave but it's consistent with the nature of slipspace as presented in ''The Forerunner Saga''. Long story short, a ship's mass influences the energy required for slipspace travel but doesn't directly correlate to reconciliation. The metaphorical "thickness" of the space-time brane in a given area determines the severity of reconciliation. I guess the idea that proto-Forerunner or even Precursor tech hampered ''Audacity''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s journey by disrupting local space-time isn't so far-fetched after all. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 ::I like the idea that there is some arcane megascale tech that basically multiplies the geometric distance to the LMC; perhaps imposed by the early Precursors to stall their demise, or by the Forerunners themselves afterwards. It would certainly fit in with the massive species-wide guilt they had going on after the genocide. That might even justify the (obviously erroneous) reference to "millions" of lightyears in ''Silentium'', if we assume that to be the ''de facto'' distance from a slipspace-based perspective. It's probable this will never be explained or made canon, but it's fun to speculate. There's still very little we know of the really ancient past of the Forerunners and the Precursors (and what we know comes from more or less unreliable and occasionally contradicting sources) and I think that's a good thing. There should always be some element of mystery present. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
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 ==Latin==
-I really enjoy Catalog's extensive use of Latin. It provides a nice bit of continuity with ''Ghosts of Onyx'' and (to a lesser extent) ''Halo 3''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s terminals. ''"Cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum"'' is a legal term. It essentially means (in modern parlance) "He who owns a piece of land also owns the local airspace." --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
+I really enjoy Catalog's extensive use of Latin. It provides a nice bit of continuity with ''Ghosts of Onyx'' and (to a lesser extent) ''Halo 3''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s terminals. ''"Cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum"'' is a legal term. It essentially means (in modern parlance) "He who owns a piece of land also owns the local airspace." --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]]  ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
 :Oh, thanks. Should've looked it up instead of just running it through Google Translate. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)