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::I am all out for a new title format for MJOLNIR armor and its variants as long as best possible title leverages a specific canon designation with a more casual name. That being said, I would still prefer using "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" or "MJOLNIR/Soldier" over "MJOLNIR Soldier variant", and the suggested "Soldier variant" and "Soldier armor variant". In my opinion, the use of the forward slash as well as the inclusion of "MJOLNIR" puts it firmly to any reader that the armor variant is part of the MJOLNIR armor.— [[User:Subtank|subtank]] 07:40, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

:::It's ultimately not just to streamline searching or cater to casual wiki users - it also has to do with linking. These things tend to be linked as "Soldier variant" as opposed to "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" as the former flows better; one almost never uses the styling "MJOLNIR/Soldier" in article text. More often it's written in the vein of "Soldier variant of the MJOLNIR armor", resulting in "Soldier variant" and "MJOLNIR" being linked separately; thus the convenience and ease with the search field are really just a helpful byproduct (to regular and non-regular visitors alike). I do acknowledge that taking off the "MJOLNIR" part diminishes the informational value of the title alone, but I can live with that given the fact the information will still be there in the article proper. Besides, we already omit the name of a larger whole in many other similar cases. [[Habitat El Ciudad]] doesn't contain a mention of "the Rubble", nor does [[Beta-5 Division]] contain "ONI". It's only there if the title comes off as absurd or too general without the context of its "parent" subject (e.g. [[New Mombasa city center]], [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V]]) and this is hardly the case with armor types, many of which are even referred to as ''"(SUBJECT)-class armor"'' in their official descriptions (e.g. Air Assault-class armor, CIO-class armor), which in my mind justifies the omission of the "MJOLNIR/" part. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

:::It's ultimately not just to streamline searching or cater to casual wiki users - it also has to do with linking. These things tend to be linked as "Soldier variant" as opposed to "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" as the former flows better; one almost never uses the styling "MJOLNIR/Soldier" in article text. More often it's written in the vein of "Soldier variant of the MJOLNIR armor", resulting in "Soldier variant" and "MJOLNIR" being linked separately; thus the convenience and ease with the search field are really just a helpful byproduct (to regular and non-regular visitors alike). I do acknowledge that taking off the "MJOLNIR" part diminishes the informational value of the title alone, but I can live with that given the fact the information will still be there in the article proper. Besides, we already omit the name of a larger whole in many other similar cases. Habitat El Ciudad doesn't contain a mention of "the Rubble", nor does [[Beta-5 Division]] contain "ONI". It's only there if the title comes off as absurd or too general without the context of its "parent" subject (e.g. [[New Mombasa city center]], [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V]]) and this is hardly the case with armor types, many of which are even referred to as ''"(SUBJECT)-class armor"'' in their official descriptions (e.g. Air Assault-class armor, CIO-class armor), which in my mind justifies the omission of the "MJOLNIR/" part. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

:::On a tangential note, could it be possible to implement a template or any other bit of code that, when applied to select redirect pages, would make those redirects show up in the search suggestions? This would solve the issue with casual users (not just when it comes to armor but also everything else), though my point about the linking still stands. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)

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 ::I am all out for a new title format for MJOLNIR armor and its variants as long as best possible title leverages a specific canon designation with a more casual name. That being said, I would still prefer using "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" or "MJOLNIR/Soldier" over "MJOLNIR Soldier variant", and the suggested "Soldier variant" and "Soldier armor variant". In my opinion, the use of the forward slash as well as the inclusion of "MJOLNIR" puts it firmly to any reader that the armor variant is part of the MJOLNIR armor.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  07:40, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
-:::It's ultimately not just to streamline searching or cater to casual wiki users - it also has to do with linking. These things tend to be linked as "Soldier variant" as opposed to "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" as the former flows better; one almost never uses the styling "MJOLNIR/Soldier" in article text. More often it's written in the vein of "Soldier variant of the MJOLNIR armor", resulting in "Soldier variant" and "MJOLNIR" being linked separately; thus the convenience and ease with the search field are really just a helpful byproduct (to regular and non-regular visitors alike). I do acknowledge that taking off the "MJOLNIR" part diminishes the informational value of the title alone, but I can live with that given the fact the information will still be there in the article proper. Besides, we already omit the name of a larger whole in many other similar cases. [[Habitat El Ciudad]] doesn't contain a mention of "the Rubble", nor does [[Beta-5 Division]] contain "ONI". It's only there if the title comes off as absurd or too general without the context of its "parent" subject (e.g. [[New Mombasa city center]], [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V]]) and this is hardly the case with armor types, many of which are even referred to as ''"(SUBJECT)-class armor"'' in their official descriptions (e.g. Air Assault-class armor, CIO-class armor), which in my mind justifies the omission of the "MJOLNIR/" part. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
+:::It's ultimately not just to streamline searching or cater to casual wiki users - it also has to do with linking. These things tend to be linked as "Soldier variant" as opposed to "MJOLNIR/Soldier variant" as the former flows better; one almost never uses the styling "MJOLNIR/Soldier" in article text. More often it's written in the vein of "Soldier variant of the MJOLNIR armor", resulting in "Soldier variant" and "MJOLNIR" being linked separately; thus the convenience and ease with the search field are really just a helpful byproduct (to regular and non-regular visitors alike). I do acknowledge that taking off the "MJOLNIR" part diminishes the informational value of the title alone, but I can live with that given the fact the information will still be there in the article proper. Besides, we already omit the name of a larger whole in many other similar cases. Habitat El Ciudad doesn't contain a mention of "the Rubble", nor does [[Beta-5 Division]] contain "ONI". It's only there if the title comes off as absurd or too general without the context of its "parent" subject (e.g. [[New Mombasa city center]], [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V]]) and this is hardly the case with armor types, many of which are even referred to as ''"(SUBJECT)-class armor"'' in their official descriptions (e.g. Air Assault-class armor, CIO-class armor), which in my mind justifies the omission of the "MJOLNIR/" part. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
 :::On a tangential note, could it be possible to implement a template or any other bit of code that, when applied to select redirect pages, would make those redirects show up in the search suggestions? This would solve the issue with casual users (not just when it comes to armor but also everything else), though my point about the linking still stands. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:13, 9 October 2013 (EDT)