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It was supposed emphasize how wrong Kurt was from the very beginning. Another thing i don't understand is why Ackerson said "had to draw" when canonically that isn't the case. They had candidates that met the requirements for the Spartan II program and Candidates that did not. Having the ability to pull from a wider pool of candidates doesn't mean they absolutely had to. A part of me wants to believe Ackerson told Kurt that so he wouldn't purposely change the selection criteria. I always thought that washout rates implied selection criteria, since Halsey has stated that her section criteria had to be completely specific to suit her original program on page 24 of the Fall of Reach Definitive Edition, all this even with her preference for age(i assume its so all of them can feel somewhat equal to each other on a mental level while training to increase kinship). Personally, in terms of age i can understand why she was strict, however that doesn't really negate her having strict genetic criteria for nothing other than survival. This can also be reinforced by all of the Spartan III candidates that survived harsher training than their predecessors with less strict genetic markers and varying ages. Though, i guess you really can't damage | It was supposed emphasize how wrong Kurt was from the very beginning. Another thing i don't understand is why Ackerson said "had to draw" when canonically that isn't the case. They had candidates that met the requirements for the Spartan II program and Candidates that did not. Having the ability to pull from a wider pool of candidates doesn't mean they absolutely had to. A part of me wants to believe Ackerson told Kurt that so he wouldn't purposely change the selection criteria. I always thought that washout rates implied selection criteria, since Halsey has stated that her section criteria had to be completely specific to suit her original program on page 24 of the Fall of Reach Definitive Edition, all this even with her preference for age(i assume its so all of them can feel somewhat equal to each other on a mental level while training to increase kinship). Personally, in terms of age i can understand why she was strict, however that doesn't really negate her having strict genetic criteria for nothing other than survival. This can also be reinforced by all of the Spartan III candidates that survived harsher training than their predecessors with less strict genetic markers and varying ages. Though, i guess you really can't damage and already psychologically damaged individual. | ||
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:Ultimately it boils down to this question: is there a source (quote, preferably, as page numbers vary between editions) that explicitly and unambiguously states that compatibility with the augmentations was the ''sole'' consideration in the S-IIs' selection criteria? Otherwise the idea that Kurt's statement goes against canon has no basis. Needless to say, I know the augmentations were the biggest factor and eliminated more than 99.99% of the human population, as they did with the IIIs, but what I'm saying is that the S-IIs' screening apparently went even further than that for additional reasons. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | :Ultimately it boils down to this question: is there a source (quote, preferably, as page numbers vary between editions) that explicitly and unambiguously states that compatibility with the augmentations was the ''sole'' consideration in the S-IIs' selection criteria? Otherwise the idea that Kurt's statement goes against canon has no basis. Needless to say, I know the augmentations were the biggest factor and eliminated more than 99.99% of the human population, as they did with the IIIs, but what I'm saying is that the S-IIs' screening apparently went even further than that for additional reasons. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | ||
== The Canonicity of "A Spartan Will Rise"? == | == The Canonicity of "A Spartan Will Rise"? == | ||
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2TPo7z0sM What is the canonical status of this trailer?] I noticed this site likes to use it as a source for canon for Noble Six, however, the trailer narration also mentions that Jun's skills as a sniper are "unmatched". While there is no specific source that directly backs it up, there are general sources that indirectly back that up. If it is considered canon, shouldn't the performance section say "on par or better"? | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2TPo7z0sM What is the canonical status of this trailer?] I noticed this site likes to use it as a source for canon for Noble Six, however, the trailer narration also mentions that Jun's skills as a sniper are "unmatched". While there is no specific source that directly backs it up, there are general sources that indirectly back that up. If it is considered canon, shouldn't the performance section say "on par or better"? {{Unsigned|Kal825B}} | ||
:I would go out on a limb and say that like most marketing material, we can consider that trailer canon unless contradicted by other sources. However, I'm not a fan of taking advantage of obviously generalized statements to create stark "vs". juxtapositions like this. While Jun's skills are no doubt uncanny in canon (gameplay's a different story though), until we see him top Linda's sniping feats I wouldn't take Halsey's word on him being better. It ''is'' curious Halsey would say that about someone she doesn't fully know, but such is the way of trailers I suppose. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | :I would go out on a limb and say that like most marketing material, we can consider that trailer canon unless contradicted by other sources. However, I'm not a fan of taking advantage of obviously generalized statements to create stark "vs". juxtapositions like this. While Jun's skills are no doubt uncanny in canon (gameplay's a different story though), until we see him top Linda's sniping feats I wouldn't take Halsey's word on him being better. It ''is'' curious Halsey would say that about someone she doesn't fully know, but such is the way of trailers I suppose. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | ||
I think it's safe to say it's canon. The dialogue at the end "So, you've made your choice? Yes, well, great minds do think alike" alludes to a later line in The Package where she tells Noble Six that Cortana has chosen him to be her carrier. So the trailer represents Halsey and Cortana looking at their candidates and deciding which one to trust the most. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:05, 6 March 2015 (EST) | I think it's safe to say it's canon. The dialogue at the end "So, you've made your choice? Yes, well, great minds do think alike" alludes to a later line in The Package where she tells Noble Six that Cortana has chosen him to be her carrier. So the trailer represents Halsey and Cortana looking at their candidates and deciding which one to trust the most. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:05, 6 March 2015 (EST) | ||