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Edited the number of Scarab legs from "four or six" to simply "four." No source given, and no reference to where a six-legged Scarab is ever seen. [[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 09:56, 18 Dec 2009 (UTC)
Edited the number of Scarab legs from "four or six" to simply "four." No source given, and no reference to where a six-legged Scarab is ever seen. [[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 09:56, 18 Dec 2009 (UTC)


: Six-Legged Scarabs don't exist. Maybe in some art novel. But not in any game. [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo </b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>]] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby <span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 20:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
: Six-Legged Scarabs don't exist. Maybe in some art novel. But not in any game. [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo </b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>]] [[File:LocustHW.png|38px]] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby <span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 20:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


==Different Types==
==Different Types==
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::Actually, scarabs are justhuge machines deployed from Covenant dropships. JUST MACHINES!!! not hunters, and as it turns out, they were originally used for mining, so they didn't really need armour, which explains the weak leg joints. Bustie24 15:29, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, scarabs are justhuge machines deployed from Covenant dropships. JUST MACHINES!!! not hunters, and as it turns out, they were originally used for mining, so they didn't really need armour, which explains the weak leg joints. Bustie24 15:29, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
:::You are partially correct, while they are machines, they are controlled by [[Lekgolo]] worms which also compose the Hunter. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 16:59, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
:::You are partially correct, while they are machines, they are controlled by [[Lekgolo]] worms which also compose the Hunter. [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] [[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 16:59, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
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:::So basically, Scarabs are technically controlled by Hunters. :D
:::So basically, Scarabs are technically controlled by Hunters. :D
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Where they store it? hmmm... let me think about that, Oh, I know! In the ''hangar'', where all the vehicles go... [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 23:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
Where they store it? hmmm... let me think about that, Oh, I know! In the ''hangar'', where all the vehicles go... [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 23:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


:True, the hanger, but I think he was looking for specifics. You don't store PELICANS! (awesome) in a Longswod hanger. The Phantom hanger of a Covie cruiser is probably not the best place to put a Scarab. And cHR0n0s, please google 'grammar' and read up on it. This is not a text message or some IM. I would hope people here would aim for a bit higher degree of professionalism. Thanks. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:True, the hanger, but I think he was looking for specifics. You don't store PELICANS! (awesome) in a Longswod hanger. The Phantom hanger of a Covie cruiser is probably not the best place to put a Scarab. And cHR0n0s, please google 'grammar' and read up on it. This is not a text message or some IM. I would hope people here would aim for a bit higher degree of professionalism. Thanks. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


::If you look at the end of the level [[Floodgate (Level)|Floodgate]] you will notice that the Phantoms are parked in there, along with a huge [[UNSC Frigate|Frigate]], I think they could fit a scarab in there too. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:41, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
::If you look at the end of the level [[Floodgate (Level)|Floodgate]] you will notice that the Phantoms are parked in there, along with a huge [[UNSC Frigate|Frigate]], I think they could fit a scarab in there too. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:41, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


:::THey probably could. You could also fit a PELICAN in a Longsword hanger, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best/right place to store it. I suspect the Scarabs are placed in some sort of hanger with release doors on the bottom and/or sides to allow the Scarabs to drop/walk out onto the battlefield. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:45, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::THey probably could. You could also fit a PELICAN in a Longsword hanger, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best/right place to store it. I suspect the Scarabs are placed in some sort of hanger with release doors on the bottom and/or sides to allow the Scarabs to drop/walk out onto the battlefield. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:45, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


::::Looks at this File:AC_Cargobay.jpg, and note under the hangar that it has a Grav lift, compare it to the rest of the 5K long ship, and I'd say a Scarab could fit through that. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
::::Looks at this [[http://halopedian.com/File:AC_Cargobay.jpg]], and note under the hangar that it has a Grav lift, compare it to the rest of the 5K long ship, and I'd say a Scarab could fit through that. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


:::::I see. I'm not saying you're wrong...just that the Scarab ''could'' go somewhere else, and perhaps it is ''better'' to put it somewhere else, not that it ''can't'' fit in a Phantom hanger. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::::I see. I'm not saying you're wrong...just that the Scarab ''could'' go somewhere else, and perhaps it is ''better'' to put it somewhere else, not that it ''can't'' fit in a Phantom hanger. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 00:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


::::::I realise this fact, I'm just saying, hell, they might even have something up in the roof of the hangar to dangle the scarabs off, that then lifts them out of the hangar, to be dropped from the section just in front of it. Or maybe, they deploy them like they deploy the the aliens in War of the worlds, out of the cannon ;D [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:02, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
::::::I realise this fact, I'm just saying, hell, they might even have something up in the roof of the hangar to dangle the scarabs off, that then lifts them out of the hangar, to be dropped from the section just in front of it. Or maybe, they deploy them like they deploy the the aliens in War of the worlds, out of the cannon ;D [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:02, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


:::::::Gotcha. That is a possibility. Maybe you should ask the Covenant how they prefer to deploy their Scarabs. Maybe they'll even give you a demonstration. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Gotcha. That is a possibility. Maybe you should ask the Covenant how they prefer to deploy their Scarabs. Maybe they'll even give you a demonstration. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


:::::::::I think I'll pass on that idea... sounds a tad too risky. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:08, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I think I'll pass on that idea... sounds a tad too risky. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:08, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


::::::::They said they deploy it from high altitude and the lumbering behemoth somehow survives the drop and gets right back to 'devastating' the UNSC. then PELICANS come in and rip it to shreds because nothing can stop them. That actually brings me to my next two points: why did they send in Master Chief when a flight of PELICANS could have devastated the entire Covenant? And secondly, the two Scarabs on [[The Covenant (level)|The Covenant]]...they drop out of nowhere. There's no ship for them to come down from if I recall correctly, and when you look up, they don't spawn. You have to look away. Odd. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:12, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
::::::::They said they deploy it from high altitude and the lumbering behemoth somehow survives the drop and gets right back to 'devastating' the UNSC. then PELICANS come in and rip it to shreds because nothing can stop them. That actually brings me to my next two points: why did they send in Master Chief when a flight of PELICANS could have devastated the entire Covenant? And secondly, the two Scarabs on [[The Covenant (level)|The Covenant]]...they drop out of nowhere. There's no ship for them to come down from if I recall correctly, and when you look up, they don't spawn. You have to look away. Odd. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:12, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


Suppose it's just for gameplay reasons... give you something interesting to fight... although, if you look at the Scarab in H2, hundreds of missiles from Pelicans did absolutely nothing... I reckon the ones in the Game are made weaker or strong depending on what you got to do, H2 Scarab, indestructable except for by completing the level, while the common ones in H3, are completely destructable. Other wise they would be boring enemies to fight constantly aye? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Suppose it's just for gameplay reasons... give you something interesting to fight... although, if you look at the Scarab in H2, hundreds of missiles from Pelicans did absolutely nothing... I reckon the ones in the Game are made weaker or strong depending on what you got to do, H2 Scarab, indestructable except for by completing the level, while the common ones in H3, are completely destructable. Other wise they would be boring enemies to fight constantly aye? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)


:That's just the difference between the games. Although they made the Scarabs indestructible because if Chief were to see one, it'd instantly explode, and you wouldn't be able board it. I do detest things like that, like in ''Halo: CE'' how nothing was destructible and nothing could move those pesky Covenant crates. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:35, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:That's just the difference between the games. Although they made the Scarabs indestructible because if Chief were to see one, it'd instantly explode, and you wouldn't be able board it. I do detest things like that, like in ''Halo: CE'' how nothing was destructible and nothing could move those pesky Covenant crates. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 01:35, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe Scarabs got a flying engine in their belly. Just a mad idea, but it could be right. [[User talk:Youngrubby|Youngrubby]] 19:39, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe Scarabs got a flying engine in their belly. Just a mad idea, but it could be right. [[User talk:Youngrubby|Youngrubby]] 19:39, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


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:::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th
:::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th


::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[File:Final Goji.jpg|40px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
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I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101
I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101


Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. [[File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe?
So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe?


:They didn't know the scale of what they were looking for. Scarabs are enough to uncover the usual structures, but this one was dozens of kilometers across. They didn't have the time. So they brought in ships to do the work. --'''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:They didn't know the scale of what they were looking for. Scarabs are enough to uncover the usual structures, but this one was dozens of kilometers across. They didn't have the time. So they brought in ships to do the work. --'''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[userWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


== weird face ==
== weird face ==
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But the problem is why Bungie did not created a separatist scarab for the elites?
But the problem is why Bungie did not created a separatist scarab for the elites?


They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks
But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks
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in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


:English, please? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 21:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:English, please? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 21:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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I think what Sangheili is trying to say is, just because we don't see the covenent drive the Halo 3 Scarabs does not mean that they can't. They could be using an Autopilot
I think what Sangheili is trying to say is, just because we don't see the covenent drive the Halo 3 Scarabs does not mean that they can't. They could be using an Autopilot


Only Lekgolo Drive the halo 3 scarab. Elites, Brutes, Spartains, johnson and whoever else can't drive the Halo 3 Model. it is basicaly a giant hunter. [[User:Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]]UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]] 19:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Only Lekgolo Drive the halo 3 scarab. Elites, Brutes, Spartains, johnson and whoever else can't drive the Halo 3 Model. it is basicaly a giant hunter. [[User:Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''~ '''</span>]] 19:39, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


==What has Halopedia done?==
==What has Halopedia done?==
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If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


:We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
:We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct.
No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct.
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And Ajax...a dozen new species of Covenant? Really? Come on...You can always tell what is an Elite and what is a Grunt. Hell even Frank O' Connor explained this about the Halo: Legends. It doesn't matter how an Elite is shown, as long as it looks like the basics of an Elite then it will be an Elite. Just because they changed something small like a gauntlet or a helmet or a colour of the eye doesn't make it an entirely different species. Now THAT is one-track minded. Did you not notice they changed the Jackals look about three times, all made by some artists? If that is acceptable then why isn't it so for other Halo labelled things such as the Graphic Novel? [[User talk:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
And Ajax...a dozen new species of Covenant? Really? Come on...You can always tell what is an Elite and what is a Grunt. Hell even Frank O' Connor explained this about the Halo: Legends. It doesn't matter how an Elite is shown, as long as it looks like the basics of an Elite then it will be an Elite. Just because they changed something small like a gauntlet or a helmet or a colour of the eye doesn't make it an entirely different species. Now THAT is one-track minded. Did you not notice they changed the Jackals look about three times, all made by some artists? If that is acceptable then why isn't it so for other Halo labelled things such as the Graphic Novel? [[User talk:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


:Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
:The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories.
:The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories.


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:::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
:::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
:::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
:::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


:::::I understand perfectly. What I am saying is that it has been completely changed, even in non-gameplay options. An example is that the H3 model is Lekgelo controlled, whereas the H2 one is controlled by a sapient being. It doesn't change the gameplay, but accompanied by the fact that they have given them a complete overhaul, it is, dare I say it, ignorance to think that the two are the same. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:::::I understand perfectly. What I am saying is that it has been completely changed, even in non-gameplay options. An example is that the H3 model is Lekgelo controlled, whereas the H2 one is controlled by a sapient being. It doesn't change the gameplay, but accompanied by the fact that they have given them a complete overhaul, it is, dare I say it, ignorance to think that the two are the same. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


:::::::I don't think it is an oversight by Bungie if it was featured in two games. However, maybe the games are just a retelling of events from Master Chief's perspective, and he's just making it invincible to go along with the story. Just saying... -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think it is an oversight by Bungie if it was featured in two games. However, maybe the games are just a retelling of events from Master Chief's perspective, and he's just making it invincible to go along with the story. Just saying... -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
{{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}}
{{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}}


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:::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir.
:::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir.


:::::::::To whoever posted above, shut it, because -Ascension- is right. The Scorpion is ''possibly'' three different models, but it is likely just artistic changes. The argument for the Scarab is that it has a massive overhaul and that the two are referenced as two different things in Halo Wars. Nonetheless, reviewing the argument, you are correct in that the changes are likely just artistic and gameplay related, but it also appears to be a large amount of evidence on my part. Anywho, until we have confirmed sources, let us just leave this as it is. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:59, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To whoever posted above, shut it, because -Ascension- is right. The Scorpion is ''possibly'' three different models, but it is likely just artistic changes. The argument for the Scarab is that it has a massive overhaul and that the two are referenced as two different things in Halo Wars. Nonetheless, reviewing the argument, you are correct in that the changes are likely just artistic and gameplay related, but it also appears to be a large amount of evidence on my part. Anywho, until we have confirmed sources, let us just leave this as it is. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:59, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::''Analyze is spelled like that: Analyze.'' - Ah, American English... should we conform to their version of English? No, thank you. I'll stick to British-English. ''meme that continues to annoy'' - Aye, and it's working quite well. ''I'm going to leave it up in the air about the most mature.'' - Looking at the comments, you started the attack and it's you who started this immature discussion. A simple message at my message board would suffice, but no, you took it personally. Pretty immature in my opinion. Oh, keep one comment to one paragraph. It tends to confuse other users, notably DinoBenn above. ''Comics, books, everything'' - Aren't you proud of yourself? Again, the use of Caps-Lock represents your immaturity. ''Now we have proof.'' - So, wait. In the Encyclopaedia talk page, you urged that the article should be considered non-canon for its increasing numbers of errors and mistakes and now you're claiming that it is the definitive source? Note that the Game Series is superior in terms of canonicity and we have to consider all sources. ''So could you please post exact references that PROVE you right?'' Regarding the quote I added previously, that was from [[The Art of Halo 3]], an art book containing development/production notes from Bungie themselves. So, it is relevant to this discussion. The Encyclopaedia and its contents, however, is still under debate. Please refer to the above comments/my previous comments if you're still in the discussion of whether or not the Scarabs are different models.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 01:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::''Analyze is spelled like that: Analyze.'' - Ah, American English... should we conform to their version of English? No, thank you. I'll stick to British-English. ''meme that continues to annoy'' - Aye, and it's working quite well. ''I'm going to leave it up in the air about the most mature.'' - Looking at the comments, you started the attack and it's you who started this immature discussion. A simple message at my message board would suffice, but no, you took it personally. Pretty immature in my opinion. Oh, keep one comment to one paragraph. It tends to confuse other users, notably DinoBenn above. ''Comics, books, everything'' - Aren't you proud of yourself? Again, the use of Caps-Lock represents your immaturity. ''Now we have proof.'' - So, wait. In the Encyclopaedia talk page, you urged that the article should be considered non-canon for its increasing numbers of errors and mistakes and now you're claiming that it is the definitive source? Note that the Game Series is superior in terms of canonicity and we have to consider all sources. ''So could you please post exact references that PROVE you right?'' Regarding the quote I added previously, that was from [[The Art of Halo 3]], an art book containing development/production notes from Bungie themselves. So, it is relevant to this discussion. The Encyclopaedia and its contents, however, is still under debate. Please refer to the above comments/my previous comments if you're still in the discussion of whether or not the Scarabs are different models.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 01:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


People, stop arguing. No more insulting, kay? We are here to discuss Scarabs, not failure. So either stop getting off topic, or discuss this elsewhere on your own talk pages or boards. -- ''[[User:General5 7|<span style="color: black; font-family: century gothic; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#000000">'''General5 7'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:General5 7|<font color="#FFA500">'''B'''</font>]]</sup></small><sup><small> [[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<font color="#dcdcdc">'''O'''</font>]]</small></sup><sup><small>[[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<font color="#Ff0000">'''O!'''</font>]]</small></sup> 00:46, October 28, 2009 (UTC)''
People, stop arguing. No more insulting, kay? We are here to discuss Scarabs, not failure. So either stop getting off topic, or discuss this elsewhere on your own talk pages or boards. --[[File:Bat2.gif|45px]] ''[[User:General5 7|<span style="color: black; font-family: century gothic; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#000000">'''General5 7'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:General5 7|<font color="#FFA500">'''B'''</font>]]</sup></small><sup><small> [[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<font color="#dcdcdc">'''O'''</font>]]</small></sup><sup><small>[[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<font color="#Ff0000">'''O!'''</font>]]</small></sup> 00:46, October 28, 2009 (UTC)''


:Halopedia is like chess, my friends. -Ascension- always wins, DinoBenn always knows what he is doing, and if you do not know the rules, you ultimately fail. Anyways, let us bring this to a conclusion. The Scarab article will be left alone, the encyclopedia will be considered canon with errors, and Nerfherder will stop using the caps button. Okay? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:Halopedia is like chess, my friends. -Ascension- always wins, DinoBenn always knows what he is doing, and if you do not know the rules, you ultimately fail. Anyways, let us bring this to a conclusion. The Scarab article will be left alone, the encyclopedia will be considered canon with errors, and Nerfherder will stop using the caps button. Okay? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)


::Ascension fails to come up with many valid arguments in the last few responses I've seen. DinoBenn does seem to know a bit at least. But I don't agree that we ignore a accepted piece of canon. Even if we didn't see the Encyclopedia for some time, There's no way I wold have ever thought H2-H3 changes were solely aesthetic. Even their operation (H2 is a machine, controlled by Elites and even Sgt. Johnson and one-point) is entirely independent and actually serves in the storyline. So as they are completely and utterly different and as they are stated to be just as different as we always assumed, I see no problem updating the article. As for the Scorpions, I agree that those minor changes could possibly be attributed to aesthetics.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
::Ascension fails to come up with many valid arguments in the last few responses I've seen. DinoBenn does seem to know a bit at least. But I don't agree that we ignore a accepted piece of canon. Even if we didn't see the Encyclopedia for some time, There's no way I wold have ever thought H2-H3 changes were solely aesthetic. Even their operation (H2 is a machine, controlled by Elites and even Sgt. Johnson and one-point) is entirely independent and actually serves in the storyline. So as they are completely and utterly different and as they are stated to be just as different as we always assumed, I see no problem updating the article. As for the Scorpions, I agree that those minor changes could possibly be attributed to aesthetics.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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::Or you could just patiently await a response instead of snapping one or two hours after your first post. Also, cool story bro. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:52, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
::Or you could just patiently await a response instead of snapping one or two hours after your first post. Also, cool story bro. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:52, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
:: I agree with Smoke. and Enlightment. Also, to Smoke., did you get that from DA? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 02:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
:: I agree with Smoke. and Enlightment. Also, to Smoke., did you get that from DA? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[File:S4.jpg|18px]] 02:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


==Scarab v1,v2 analyze.==
==Scarab v1,v2 analyze.==
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::Did it ever occur to you that they are just wires? Power circcuits to the rest of the scarab? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 22:56, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
::Did it ever occur to you that they are just wires? Power circcuits to the rest of the scarab? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 22:56, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


:::You guys realize that there has been much discussion about the presence (or lack thereof) on Lekgolo on Scarabs? Last I checked, it was suspected that Lekgolo were the power source of the Scarab, and that an interface with them was constructed so the other Covenant could operate the Scarab. I believe this is still true, as I remember something about this being mentioned when [[Assembly|an awesome map of close-quarter uber-pwnage]] was released. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 23:04, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
:::You guys realize that there has been much discussion about the presence (or lack thereof) on Lekgolo on Scarabs? Last I checked, it was suspected that Lekgolo were the power source of the Scarab, and that an interface with them was constructed so the other Covenant could operate the Scarab. I believe this is still true, as I remember something about this being mentioned when [[Assembly (Level)|an awesome map of close-quarter uber-pwnage]] was released. [[File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|25px]]<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;ΘяɪɸɴF22&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Me&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick">&nbsp;&nbsp;Contributions&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>CAG</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]</span></small> 23:04, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


Yes i did consider that they may just be wires but there are some istinct flaws with this iea, the fact is that they are exposed, there is no reason for this no other covenant technology features exposed wires, they are around the power core (like the lekgolo on the h3 scarab) an hte next problem is with color, they are a distinctly different color, there is no reason for this. Nobody hwen designing a giant walking tank just says during the esign process "you know what how about some giant exposed tan-orange wires on the belly of this thing" if you havent noticed things tend to be desinged the way they are for a reason [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 03:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes i did consider that they may just be wires but there are some istinct flaws with this iea, the fact is that they are exposed, there is no reason for this no other covenant technology features exposed wires, they are around the power core (like the lekgolo on the h3 scarab) an hte next problem is with color, they are a distinctly different color, there is no reason for this. Nobody hwen designing a giant walking tank just says during the esign process "you know what how about some giant exposed tan-orange wires on the belly of this thing" if you havent noticed things tend to be desinged the way they are for a reason [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 03:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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Since we know the length and height of the scarab's due to the scaled pictures from HBO and the v2 model from the actionclix, shouldn't this be added?
Since we know the length and height of the scarab's due to the scaled pictures from HBO and the v2 model from the actionclix, shouldn't this be added?


Ok, so then add it. :/  Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:57, 25 September 2011 (EDT)!
Ok, so then add it. :/  Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:57, 25 September 2011 (EDT)!


== Contradictory writing ==
== Contradictory writing ==
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::Okay. Since no one with the knowledge has made the appropriate changes themselves, I'll just delete both phrases. -- [[User talk:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] 18:41, 2 December 2012 (EST)
::Okay. Since no one with the knowledge has made the appropriate changes themselves, I'll just delete both phrases. -- [[User talk:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] 18:41, 2 December 2012 (EST)
==Scarab mentioned in Halo 4?==
I see under the list of appearances that the Scarab is listed as having been mentioned in Halo 4. When was this the case? -- [[User talk:JJAB91|JJAB91]] 14:02, 15 June 2014 (EST)
:A bit late, but according to the page [[Shutdown]] there is a Marine who mentions the Scarab destroyed by the Master Chief during the Battle of New Mombasa. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 15:17, 7 January 2015 (EST)
== ''Halo 3'' fact sheet ==
The ''Halo 3'' fact sheet (which is used for a source for the Deutoros model's height and width seems to be incorrect. The ''Encyclopedia'', ''Essential Visual Guide'', and Waypoint's article all use the Deutoros model's image when listing the Scarab's dimensions but we are citing that the listed dimensions belong to the Protos model, when they actually belong to the Deutoros model, not to mention that the dimensions from the fact sheet seem rather small for a Scarab. For proof, Stephen Loftus lists both Scarab models' heights [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/1280h.html?display=cov_a here]. The height of the Deutoros matches up with the heights given by the three aforementioned sources, while the Proto's height isn't even mentioned on this page. The dimensions given by the fact sheet seem to have been disregarded, as they do not represent the size of any Scarab model. We should dismiss the fact sheet's dimensions and maybe make note of the error in the Trivia section. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 16:11, 12 July 2015 (EDT)
==Splitting the article==
Does anyone else think it would be prudent to split this article into separate Type-47A and Type-47B pages? The only reason both models have the Type-47 moniker is that they were both cataloged in 2547; otherwise they're very different beasts. Considering we have separate articles for weapon variants (such as the various MA5 models) I don't see any reason ''not'' to have separate articles for the Protos and Deutoros. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:34, 8 February 2017 (EST)
Definitelty. If you're willing to take care of it, I say go for it.[[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 11:02, 8 February 2017 (EST)Japeth555
== I think the banished Scarab should have it's own page ==
It looks radically different, it must be it's own model [[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 11:11, 25 February 2017 (EST)
:It's the same variant (per ''Halo Wars 2'' appearance list), so it doesn't necessarily need it's own page. We have many other instances of detailing multiple variants on the same page. I believe this can be done here.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup>  11:27, 25 February 2017 (EST)
::While it's not been confirmed to be so I'm pretty positive they're just modified T-47Bs.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]]  ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 19:21, 25 February 2017 (EST)

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