Talk:Shadow of Intent

Vandalism

Someone wrote in all caps "Halo sucks major ass!". I deleted it, but it may be on other pages.

Kage 19:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Speculation

I Think The Shadow of Intent is the cruiser Half-Jaw said to take it back. —This unsigned comment was made by Master spartan (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Um...No Shadow of Intent is an Assualt Carrier, the cruiser was a css-battlecruiser. Chances are that the cruiser was either destroyed at the Battle of 05, or is in quarantine with the rest of the covenant fleet there. Or that it is part of the Sepratist fleet. ProphetofTruth 03:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, the Shadow of Intent is a Carrier, not a CCS-class Battlecruiser, and the vessel in the background of The Great Journey is also a battlecruiser, not a carrier vessel. =] Interesting idea though, Master Spartan. Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 19:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Not an Assault Carrier

During its first appearance on the level Floodgate the Master Chief is told that 'This is the Carrier, Shadow of Intent'. Although this vessel and Regrets vessel in Halo 2 are similar there are subtle differences. This one, in comparison to the CCS class cruisers during The Ark for example, seems significantly smaller, and slightly more robust than the more elegantly proportioned Assault Carrier in Halo 2. As such I feel it needs to be renamed as a Carrier not an Assault Carrier. What do you think? A Monument to All Your Sins 18:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Um...no. Did you notice that the CCS-Cruisers were all redesigned as well. Truth got an upgrade. The Control Room looked different. Its an aesthetic change and not a new ship design. Cortana looks different does that mean shes a new AI? The Grunts looked meaner does that mean its a new species? Get the angle I'm aiming for? ProphetofTruth 21:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand where your coming from but in all the cases you have described the individuals or objects in question maintain there names. An aesthetic overhaul is understandable in a new game for a new generation. But the Shadow of Intent is directly referred to as a "Carrier" by Rtas 'Vadum during the Level Floodgate. The Prophet of Regrets vessel is referred to as an "Assault Carrier" by Cortana during the Halo 2 level Cairo Station. Despite basic asthetic similarities the different taxonomy of the vessels is clear evidence that they belong to different classes. Shadow of Intent - Carrier, Regrets Flagship - Assault Carrier. This is the evidence supplied to us from Bungie via game script and as such is Canon.

Furthermore, on a similar theme, the vessel in Halo 2 shown fleeing the fires of Reach is intended to be the Pillar of Autumn, a Halcyon class cruiser. However it has a different design form that seen in Halo CE, other vessels in Halo 2 bearing the same object model are regularly referred to by Halopedia as Marathon class cruisers. I have seen no such indication as to that being their designation in the game but it goes unquestioned. What is your view on that? The Shadow of Intent is referred to as a Carrier as such it should be designated one, not based on aesthetics (although they add weight to the claim), but because Bungie, through game script, our gospel, has deemed it such. Same goes for Regret's ship being an Assault Carrier. Sorry if that sounded like a rant, it probably was I'll go take some chill pills;-) A Monument to All Your Sins 15:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, But they also call Regret's ship a carrier later on.

Cortana (O.S.): Regret is a name, Sergeant. The name of one of the Covenant's religious leaders. A Prophet. He's on that carrier, and he's calling for help.

Lord Hood (O.S.): Master Chief, get aboard that carrier, and secure the Prophet of Regret. This is the only place on Earth the Covenant decided to land. That Prophet is going to tell us why.

Lord Hood (O.S.): "Cortana! Concentrate your fire on the first carrier. Admiral, do what you can against the second"!

Notice the flaw in your stance on the issue? ProphetofTruth 19:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

One other thing, The Cruisers are ccs cruisers and are much smaller then the carriers. As seen in the arrival at the Ark. That would imply that it its the 5km long assault carrier and not a 1.4k carrier. The Assault Carrier also has 3 engines on its tail much like this "Carrier" why would a smaller carrier need the propulsion system of a massive assualt carrier? Your opinion is pure conjecture. Following the lines of the story chances are that it is indeed an Assualt Carrier, unless bungie says otherwise Its safe to assume that it is one. ProphetofTruth 20:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand your point. Aesthetically the vessel remains comparable to the one in Halo 2. However I'm still unconvinced. If you look at that first Ark cutscene you will notice the difference between lengths of the cruisers and the Shadow of intent in nowhere near as much as in Halo 2. An Assault carrier should be close to five times the length of a CCS class cruiser.The Shadow of intent seems closer to twice their size. Perhaps the Assault Carrier Article needs an update? A Monument to All Your Sins 07:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the scene where they emerge from the portal over the ark the Shadow of Intent dwarfs the ccs cruisers. The portal is massive, its called perspective. ProphetofTruth 13:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the Shadow is many times more massive in terms of magnitude, volume and general bulk of the vessel. But even from the vast virtual distance the shot is taken from, the Shadow still doesn't seem to be 5 times the length of a CCS cruiser. Check Stephen Loftus' size scale of stellar vessels, the Shadow isn't comparable to the length of the Assault Carrier on the the chart and there's no need for condescension, we're all entitled to an opinion.

To the user 71.33.36.68 I would apprciate it if you did not vandalise my additions. I wrote Carrier not Supercarrier, the History proves this. Do not attempt to invalidate my point through alteration of MY statements. If you have an addition to make, do so through a new section, with your signature. No one appreciates underhanded tactics. Your edits are recorded. A Monument to All Your Sins 15:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

If you look at Stephen Loftus's chart the ccs cruiser is three times smaller then the assault carrier not 5. If you look at the scene where hte elite fleet approaches the Covenant fleet the "carrier" is about 3 time larger than the cruisers. And I did not vandalize your edits. I corrected what is currently speculation. ProphetofTruth 15:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I did not aim that comment at you ProphetofTruth but if your ip address when not logged on is 71.33.36.68 then you did vandalise my talk section, if it isn't then you have no need to defend yourself. The user of that ip address edited just that one word, on my addition.

The ip address of the editor is recorded by the wikia and displayed as an identity on the History page. The fact that only an ip address was recorded in conjunction with the lack of a signature to the edit is somewhat indicative that the editor wishes to remain anonymous. Whether you believe my opinions on a talk page are right or not you should not alter them. I have no objection to changes on the article, a wikia page is free for public edit, that is their purpose. However additions to a talk page from a user should be edited only by the user that wrote them. To edit anothers is vandalism.

Anyway, 71.33.36.68 listen to the speech during Floodgate again, it says Carrier not Super Carrier. At no point in any Halo media outside of the novels has a Super Carrier been shown or mentioned. A Monument to All Your Sins 16:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Shadow of Intent = Assault Carrier?

Dear Prophet of Truth and A Monument To All Your Sins,

I think both of you have valid points, but the aesthetic and tactical differences of the Shadow of Intent to Regret's flagship are minimal, and as per Truth, probably just a part of the aesthetic redesign. Furthermore, it's quite unlikely that the Shadow of Intent is a Covenant Carrier, which is three times as long as a UNSC Destroyer (see H:GoO), and that's 1455 meters. If the CCS classification is 1782.2 meters, and we look at the opening cutscene of The Ark (Level), the Shadow outmasses its escort battlecruisers. I think it's probably an assault carrier, but that's just my interpretation. =]

Cheers,

RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 19:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, its only difference to the Assault Carrier in Halo 2 is it's colour. It still has the distinct 'fins' and the whale like 'hooked' nose. Unless its something that looks JUST like an assault carrier, but isn't. Which i doubt. :P. --Ajax 013 12:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I second that notion. Regards, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 23:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

SoI is Halo 2 Cruiser

I removed the statement about that because Vadum says something along "Arbiter I'm going to take the cruiser back." He says Cruiser not carrier, the assualt carrier used by regret either rejoined the fleet or was in another area of the halo, and the ship was cleary as ccs cruiser. ProphetofTruth 01:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)