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:Ultimately, the onus is on the reader to weigh up the sources provided for various information and determine for themselves on whether they can trust it for the purposes they need (ie fan art, fan fiction, external debates, etc); we aim to be a comprehensive catalogue of information. If we were to begin omitting information based on its age or whether it doesn't hold up as well in the modern day, about half of the site wouldn't exist anymore, nor would we be a useful and comprehensive resource. It does suck, but ultimately that's the job of the official franchise writers to make sense of and decide what to discard, not us.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 12:12, January 6, 2024 (EST)

I understand, would it be possible to then at least add a mention that ODSTs have been more commonly using standard UNSCMC organization? It's up to the mods but I think while it is a minor detail, it is also incredibly important to note. My recommendation would be to say something like "it has been mentioned that ODST units use combat teams as direct sub-company organizations; However most sources depict them operating in structure and number similar to that of standard UNSC marines. ODSTs are more consistently known to have employed platoons as the premier sub-company organization" (Silent Storm pg **, Halo: Outcasts pg **, I only have PDF copies to source, if needed I could give the direct quotes for everything)

Also my point about that specific article's canonicity is that, it seems to refer to ODSTs as a whole and it does ''directly'' conflict with every other mention of ODSTs using platoons -> Company. As well there is a numbers conflict, an ODST platoon is given at 40 in Halo: Silent Storm (newer source and consistent with other work), so 6 to 8 combat teams of of 10-14 would through basic math contradict this platoon statement. An ODST battalion using Combat Team Organization (assuming max and yes IK that is math) would be 896, and require EIGHT companies twice the number of a typical ODST battalion or UNSCMC battalion. A hard number for an ODST company is given through some numbers in Halo Silent Storm, where it is noted that 32 percent of an ODST company is 52 men. That gives us roughly 163 men for the mentioned company, a number only one lower than the first encyclopedia's UNSCMC company number and much larger than the given Combat Team Company size.

I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss this.

== Nice username :P ==

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 :Ultimately, the onus is on the reader to weigh up the sources provided for various information and determine for themselves on whether they can trust it for the purposes they need (ie fan art, fan fiction, external debates, etc); we aim to be a comprehensive catalogue of information. If we were to begin omitting information based on its age or whether it doesn't hold up as well in the modern day, about half of the site wouldn't exist anymore, nor would we be a useful and comprehensive resource. It does suck, but ultimately that's the job of the official franchise writers to make sense of and decide what to discard, not us.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 12:12, January 6, 2024 (EST)
+I understand, would it be possible to then at least add a mention that ODSTs have been more commonly using standard UNSCMC organization? It's up to the mods but I think while it is a minor detail, it is also incredibly important to note. My recommendation would be to say something like "it has been mentioned that ODST units use combat teams as direct sub-company organizations; However most sources depict them operating in structure and number similar to that of standard UNSC marines. ODSTs are more consistently known to have employed platoons as the premier sub-company organization" (Silent Storm pg **, Halo: Outcasts pg **, I only have PDF copies to source, if needed I could give the direct quotes for everything)
+Also my point about that specific article's canonicity is that, it seems to refer to ODSTs as a whole and it does ''directly'' conflict with every other mention of ODSTs using platoons -> Company. As well there is a numbers conflict, an ODST platoon is given at 40 in Halo: Silent Storm (newer source and consistent with other work), so 6 to 8 combat teams of of 10-14 would through basic math contradict this platoon statement. An ODST battalion using Combat Team Organization (assuming max and yes IK that is math) would be 896, and require EIGHT companies twice the number of a typical ODST battalion or UNSCMC battalion. A hard number for an ODST company is given through some numbers in Halo Silent Storm, where it is noted that 32 percent of an ODST company is 52 men. That gives us roughly 163 men for the mentioned company, a number only one lower than the first encyclopedia's UNSCMC company number and much larger than the given Combat Team Company size.
+I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss this.
 == Nice username :P ==