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== HGN P60 Panel 4 ==
== HGN P60 Panel 4 ==


In the story "Armor Testing" as Maria 062 lands (page 60, panel 4), a shield appears around her which is superficially similar to the Bubble Shield. The normal shield follows the contours of the armor, this one does not. Perhaps they tested the bubble shield at the same time as te MkVI armor? Just Speculation.
In the story "Armor Testing" as Maria 062 lands (page 60, panel 4), a shield appears around her which is superficially similar to the Bubble Shield. The normal shield follows the contours of the armor, this one does not. Perhaps they tested the bubble shield at the same time as te MkVI armor? Just Speculation.


Sheild bubble? Last time I was on the site it said sheild grenade.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Sheild bubble? Last time I was on the site it said sheild grenade.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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EDIT: It appears to me that the shield begins in the ground near the point where Chief threw the grenade into the ground, so I think that it actually is the grenade creating the shield, not the armor. - Annun Cirith -  
EDIT: It appears to me that the shield begins in the ground near the point where Chief threw the grenade into the ground, so I think that it actually is the grenade creating the shield, not the armor. - Annun Cirith -  
65.151.253.222 - 01:05, 8 March 2007  
65.151.253.222 - 01:05, 8 March 2007


:RESPONSE TO EDIT: Given the footage provided in the video, the shield does appear to emanate from the Chief's armor, as the shield does have him as its central focus. While the significance of that may be debatable, under cinematic purposes, it would make sense for the Shield Grenade to be some kind of power relay system that temporarily augments the Master Chief's shields, rather than having a Shield Grenade that creates a perfectly spherical protection system around something other than itself - Harold Opacus -- 219.252.96.61 11:09, 7 April 2007  
:RESPONSE TO EDIT: Given the footage provided in the video, the shield does appear to emanate from the Chief's armor, as the shield does have him as its central focus. While the significance of that may be debatable, under cinematic purposes, it would make sense for the Shield Grenade to be some kind of power relay system that temporarily augments the Master Chief's shields, rather than having a Shield Grenade that creates a perfectly spherical protection system around something other than itself - Harold Opacus -- 219.252.96.61 11:09, 7 April 2007




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The brutes could have found where they were made and they can also use the other equipment. It just makes the game a bit harder. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 19:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The brutes could have found where they were made and they can also use the other equipment. It just makes the game a bit harder. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 19:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


If it is human, why don't the marines use it ? They seem to be able to use turrets and vehicles but non of the equipment. ONI created this just for the master chief ?
If it is human, why don't the marines use it ? They seem to be able to use turrets and vehicles but non of the equipment. ONI created this just for the master chief ?


I'm pretty sure humans have used it...just not in the game. As for why Brutes use it more....I dunno.[[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 18:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure humans have used it...just not in the game. As for why Brutes use it more....I dunno.[[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 18:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
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I haven't seen any proof that it is a human weapon. I think people assumed it was when they saw MC had it in the E3 trailer. [[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/Command Staff|<font color="black">'''General'''</font>]] [[User:Simon_rjh|'''si''']][[User_talk:Simon_rjh|'''mo''']][[Special:Contributions/Simon_rjh|'''n''']] [[User:Simon rjh/Userboxes|<font color="red">'''r'''</font>]][[User:Simon rjh/Awards|<font color="green">'''j'''</font>]]<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=simon%20rjh <font color="black">'''h'''</font>]</span> 11:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I haven't seen any proof that it is a human weapon. I think people assumed it was when they saw MC had it in the E3 trailer. [[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/Command Staff|<font color="black">'''General'''</font>]] [[User:Simon_rjh|'''si''']][[User_talk:Simon_rjh|'''mo''']][[Special:Contributions/Simon_rjh|'''n''']] [[User:Simon rjh/Userboxes|<font color="red">'''r'''</font>]][[User:Simon rjh/Awards|<font color="green">'''j'''</font>]]<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=simon%20rjh <font color="black">'''h'''</font>]</span> 11:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


:There is no proof that it is not human equipment. Humans never deploy [[TR/9 Antipersonnel Mine|Trip Mines]] in-game, although they can be seen in human-controlled base modules. But Brutes do use them<ref>[[The Covenant (Level)|Halo 3, The Covenant]]</ref>. While the trim on the shield and its similarity to the Regenerator are strong evidence that it is a Brute weapon, it could possibly be a human weapon. [[User:An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#2D1925; font-family: georgia, times">'''Jora 'Mantak<sub>An elite '92</sub>'''</span>]]-[[User talk: An elite '92|<span style = "color:#5D1A39; font-family: georgia, times">Battlenet</span>]]-[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User_profile:An_elite_%2792 <span style = "color:#B7608A; font-family: georgia, times">Brothers</span>]-[[Special:Contributions/An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#CCCCCC; font-family: georgia, times">Combat History</span>]] 23:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:There is no proof that it is not human equipment. Humans never deploy [[TR/9 Antipersonnel Mine|Trip Mines]] in-game, although they can be seen in human-controlled base modules. But Brutes do use them<ref>[[The Covenant (Level)|Halo 3, The Covenant]]</ref>. While the trim on the shield and its similarity to the Regenerator are strong evidence that it is a Brute weapon, it could possibly be a human weapon. [[User:An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#2D1925; font-family: georgia, times">'''Jora 'Mantak<sub>An elite '92</sub>'''</span>]]-[[User talk: An elite '92|<span style = "color:#5D1A39; font-family: georgia, times">Battlenet</span>]]-[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User_profile:An_elite_%2792 <span style = "color:#B7608A; font-family: georgia, times">Brothers</span>]-[[Special:Contributions/An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#CCCCCC; font-family: georgia, times">Combat History</span>]] 23:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


== A possible flaw? And a comment on another question. ==
== A possible flaw? And a comment on another question. ==
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In point of fact, the source article (that seems to be the place where the editors of this article got the idea that the bubble shield was human) merely statest that (and I quote) "the technology of the bubble shield is top-secret ONI owned. now...what does that mean? does that mean "humans invented the bubble shield"? or does it mean "humans understand the technology of the bubble shield, and it is top secret"? I find myself believing the latter. If you simply look at the DESIGN of the bubble shield, it would be apparent that it is of nonhuman origen. All evidence points towards the bubble shield not being of human design. I suggest that, instead of simply misleading readers of this site, we place a statement that the species of the creators of the bubble shield is disputed. that would be more honest. because, in truth, we have no evidence (including the quoted artical) that the bubble shield is human. thank you [[User:LPHdarkhunter|LPHdarkhunter]] 21:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
In point of fact, the source article (that seems to be the place where the editors of this article got the idea that the bubble shield was human) merely statest that (and I quote) "the technology of the bubble shield is top-secret ONI owned. now...what does that mean? does that mean "humans invented the bubble shield"? or does it mean "humans understand the technology of the bubble shield, and it is top secret"? I find myself believing the latter. If you simply look at the DESIGN of the bubble shield, it would be apparent that it is of nonhuman origen. All evidence points towards the bubble shield not being of human design. I suggest that, instead of simply misleading readers of this site, we place a statement that the species of the creators of the bubble shield is disputed. that would be more honest. because, in truth, we have no evidence (including the quoted artical) that the bubble shield is human. thank you [[User:LPHdarkhunter|LPHdarkhunter]] 21:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:While you do raise a valid point, to suggest that it is Covenant technology is also in error. The quote is ambiguous, indeed. But the fact of the matter is, it is now considered ONI controlled. Personally, I can argue that the design of the equipment is human in nature. Especially considering similar coloring schemes in comparison to the Trip Mine (which, due to its naming convention, is human). There is no other definitive evidence pointing to it being Covenant other than the ambiguous quote and your saying its appearance is not human. It is also entirely possible that it was reverse-engineered from Covenant tech and can be manufactured by ONI. Affiliation, however, is definitively Human as per being owned by ONI. Really, that is all that matters. The question of who made the Bubble Shield is irrelevant, really, since the article simply states manufacturer and affiliation. I honestly feel what is more ambiguous is the Regenerator. [[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 06:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
:While you do raise a valid point, to suggest that it is Covenant technology is also in error. The quote is ambiguous, indeed. But the fact of the matter is, it is now considered ONI controlled. Personally, I can argue that the design of the equipment is human in nature. Especially considering similar coloring schemes in comparison to the Trip Mine (which, due to its naming convention, is human). There is no other definitive evidence pointing to it being Covenant other than the ambiguous quote and your saying its appearance is not human. It is also entirely possible that it was reverse-engineered from Covenant tech and can be manufactured by ONI. Affiliation, however, is definitively Human as per being owned by ONI. Really, that is all that matters. The question of who made the Bubble Shield is irrelevant, really, since the article simply states manufacturer and affiliation. I honestly feel what is more ambiguous is the Regenerator. [[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 06:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
::LPHdarkhunter, there is one piece of evidence for the Bubble Shield being of human design. Follow this link: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Bubble_shield#cite_note-1 to a Q&A where an apparently knowledgable person called Frankie states that the Bubble SHield is ONI-controlled. QAndNot quite, XRoadToDawnX. There is other proof for the Bubble Shield being Brute-designed. See the last message, titled "Bubble Shield designed, manufactured by Brutes" for info about the Bubble Shield being Brute designed, as well as the Regenerator being Brute designed and how it relates to the Bubble Shield.
::LPHdarkhunter, there is one piece of evidence for the Bubble Shield being of human design. Follow this link: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Bubble_shield#cite_note-1 to a Q&A where an apparently knowledgable person called Frankie states that the Bubble SHield is ONI-controlled. QAndNot quite, XRoadToDawnX. There is other proof for the Bubble Shield being Brute-designed. See the last message, titled "Bubble Shield designed, manufactured by Brutes" for info about the Bubble Shield being Brute designed, as well as the Regenerator being Brute designed and how it relates to the Bubble Shield.


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I have three reasons for believing this.
I have three reasons for believing this.
1)The most obvious reason is that only Brutes use Bubble Shields in Halo 3 (or the player, if he/she took one from a dead Brute or found one).
1)The most obvious reason is that only Brutes use Bubble Shields in Halo 3 (or the player, if he/she took one from a dead Brute or found one).
2)The second is that all Covenant military technology aside from Brute weaponry uses repurposed Forerunner technology.  
2)The second is that all Covenant military technology aside from Brute weaponry uses repurposed Forerunner technology.
  I)In Halo 3, the player can easily see in campaign missions that include Sentinels that Sentinel energy shielding has hexagons like those seen in the Bubble Shield.  
I)In Halo 3, the player can easily see in campaign missions that include Sentinels that Sentinel energy shielding has hexagons like those seen in the Bubble Shield.  
   II)Protector Sentinels in Halo Wars drop shields much like Bubble Shields on selected friendly units.  
   II)Protector Sentinels in Halo Wars drop shields much like Bubble Shields on selected friendly units.
It seems apparent to me that the Bubble Shield was reverse-engineered from Forerunner technology by Covenant technicians.
It seems apparent to me that the Bubble Shield was reverse-engineered from Forerunner technology by Covenant technicians.
3)This reason has to do with the Regenerator.  
3)This reason has to do with the Regenerator.
  I)Halo 3-era Humans had little to no use for the Regenerator, because it is a short-range, limited-duration personal energy shield-recharging device, and only one living member of their military (the Master Chief) used a personal energy shield. Therefore, the Humans must not have designed or manufactured the Regenerator.
I)Halo 3-era Humans had little to no use for the Regenerator, because it is a short-range, limited-duration personal energy shield-recharging device, and only one living member of their military (the Master Chief) used a personal energy shield. Therefore, the Humans must not have designed or manufactured the Regenerator.
   II)Halo 3-era Brutes had plenty of use for the Regenerator, because every Brute in the Covenant military used a personal energy shield. Therefore, the Brutes more than likely designed and manufactured the Regenerator.
   II)Halo 3-era Brutes had plenty of use for the Regenerator, because every Brute in the Covenant military used a personal energy shield. Therefore, the Brutes more than likely designed and manufactured the Regenerator.
   III)The Bubble Shield and Regenerator were manufactured by the same species/party. I say this because of several design and functional similarities;
   III)The Bubble Shield and Regenerator were manufactured by the same species/party. I say this because of several design and functional similarities;
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The article tells that Power Drain and R-Jammer can move it, but so can many other objects, such as barrels. (This creates a great tactic to throw a BS in front of a barrel and push the barrel, moving the BS as well.) Should it be mentioned in the article? [[User talk:MS620|MS620]] 14:48, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
The article tells that Power Drain and R-Jammer can move it, but so can many other objects, such as barrels. (This creates a great tactic to throw a BS in front of a barrel and push the barrel, moving the BS as well.) Should it be mentioned in the article? [[User talk:MS620|MS620]] 14:48, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
== Bubble Shield likely human-made ==
The Bubble Shield was likely made by humans as the Spartans used it in Halo Legends: The Package, and there was no way they could have gotten it off an enemy, indicating they had it in the first place. So, it is likely that ONI developed it and gave one to the Spartans for their mission.    [[Special:Contributions/76.24.121.84|76.24.121.84]] 22:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)