Halopedia talk:Manual of Style: Difference between revisions

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Proposal: an end to the obfuscation of article titles[edit]

A while ago, I brought up an issue regarding the use of Template:Title on said template's talk page. I'll just repost a modified version of my original proposal here since one of my core points hasn't changed and neither has our practice. If no one has any massively strong objections to this I'll go and add the instructions regarding the use of the template to the MOS title section.

Currently, our pages use the Title template to hide bracketed disambiguation addenda (see Forward Unto Dawn (poem), Bradley (commander)) in article titles. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons. The template is useful for italicizing media titles and so forth, but the addition or omission of parts of the title itself is something I believe we should get rid of. Hiding the addenda can easily lead to confusion as to what the actual title of the page is since it's not very conspicuously visible aside from the URL bar. While looking at the address is hardly a colossal task, it's not something that's immediately obvious to a lot of people. That, and hiding the disambiguation serves no real purpose aside making the title itself slightly prettier, but I might again stress that the purpose of the article title isn't, ultimately, to be pretty or even be the most technically correct or all-encompassing name of the subject. The full title should always be readily available in the introductory paragraph (and in many cases the infobox), while the article title can almost be thought of as a shortcut.

This type of standard is also in place over at Wikipedia: for example, the titles of Joker (comics) or Flood (Halo) aren't rendered as "Joker" or "Flood" even though this would be possible with the title template. I defer to Wikipedia's conventions in this case since while a wiki such as ours obviously differs when it comes to content inclusion policies and the like, their formatting is generally a reliable precedent. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:42, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

Support — subtank 14:42, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

Character middle names[edit]

I'd like to bring to light an issue about our current unwritten policy of titling character pages. The rule is ostensibly to use First name+Last name only, but this wasn't the case in the proposal that cemented our supposedly current standard. The idea was to use a format similar to Wikipedia in that the use of middle names or initials is decided on a case-by-case basis rather than using one single standardized format based on the way a particular character is commonly referenced in canon, and I still find myself in agreement with this.

For example, William Arthur Iqbal would stay the way it is because it's his first and only introduction, plus it seems his middle name is important given its inclusion in the story's title. Marcus Stacker might become "Marcus P. Stacker" because of the meta-significance of the middle initial as well as the fact it's his first full-name introduction. Preston Cole would be "Preston J. Cole" as detailed in the proposal's original example. Based on what we'll see in Nightfall and the Halo Channel encyclopedia, we might also include the full names of Gregory Aio Ramos, Alistair Bov Estrin and Michael Bradley Horrigan in their article titles as the producers saw fit to include them in the casting sheets while leaving them out for other characters. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 06:02, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

Error[edit]

There is a small mistake, but an ironic one. The "heretic" page linked to in the article claims to refer to the heretics that "offend the Covenant religion" but in truth it links to the Heretic multiplayer map. Pecanurdu (talk) 04:08, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

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-Comming from Wookiepedia myself, I have a huge problem with the way the pages on this site are formatted. I know this is only the voice of one person, but i find all of these in-article references to real world sources appalling. I beleive we should format a Manual of Style that holds all references towards the end of the article, with the in-universe information staying as such. For example, compare the [[Master Chief]] to [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker Anakin Skywalker] (sorry for such a long page to link to). Notice how the article is well written, the pictures are scattered and alternate from left to right as the article continues. There is no reference to sources or the real world until the "Behind the Scenes" section. From here, look at the ''Chief'' article. There is great disorder, the pictures are all on the right side and out of chronological order. There is even a book cover in the middle of the article. If you refer to [[Johnson|Johnson's page]], there are references to sources in inappropriate ways:
+{{Archived}}
-{{quote|Johnson mowing down Grunts in Halo: Combat Evolved.|Picture quote from the [[Sergeant Major Avery Johnson]] article}}
+== Proposal: an end to the obfuscation of article titles ==
-We should save all references to the real world for the end of the articles.
+A while ago, I brought up an issue regarding the use of [[:Template:Title]] on [[:Template talk:Title#Regarding usage|said template's talk page]]. I'll just repost a modified version of my original proposal here since one of my core points hasn't changed and neither has our practice. If no one has any massively strong objections to this I'll go and add the instructions regarding the use of the template to the MOS title section.
-Also, we need a new naming system here. While Anakin and Darth Vader are different names for the same character, Wookieepedia takes this into account and puts all biographical information under the one true name: Anakin Skywalker. Here we have Covenant names mislabeled, with the true name [[Unggoy]] being redirected to the human slang term: [[Grunt]]. Instead of [[Avery J. Johnson]], we have [[Sergeant Major Avery Johnson]], rank and all. Personally, i believe that ranks should follow and be '''bolded''' in the introduction paragraph (e.g. '''Sergeant Major Avery Johnson''' was a dear ally to [[Master Chief]]).
+Currently, our pages use the Title template to hide bracketed disambiguation addenda (see [[Forward Unto Dawn (poem)]], [[Bradley (commander)]]) in article titles. However, this is problematic for a number of reasons. The template is useful for italicizing media titles and so forth, but the addition or omission of parts of the title itself is something I believe we should get rid of. Hiding the addenda can easily lead to confusion as to what the actual title of the page is since it's not very conspicuously visible aside from the URL bar. While looking at the address is hardly a colossal task, it's not something that's immediately obvious to a lot of people. That, and hiding the disambiguation serves no real purpose aside making the title itself slightly prettier, but I might again stress that the purpose of the article title isn't, ultimately, to be pretty or even be the most technically correct or all-encompassing name of the subject. The full title should always be readily available in the introductory paragraph (and in many cases the infobox), while the article title can almost be thought of as a shortcut.
-While i may just be one person griping, I'm a devoted Halo fan and have come to this site often. That being said, i am dissapointed at the formatting of the articles here and wish for a revolution for the better. I say this only to improve the site, not to bash it or flame it in any way. I hope the administrators take this into consideraton. I have a busy school schedule, and i won't be able to help out that much, but nevertheless i would be glad to contibute to any reformatting if it does indeed take place. Thank you for reading. [[User:Dude984|Dude984]] 18:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
+This type of standard is also in place over at Wikipedia: for example, the titles of [[Wikipedia:Joker (comics)|Joker (comics)]] or [[Wikipedia:Flood (Halo)|Flood (Halo)]] aren't rendered as "Joker" or "Flood" even though this would be possible with the title template. I defer to Wikipedia's conventions in this case since while a wiki such as ours obviously differs when it comes to content inclusion policies and the like, their formatting is generally a reliable precedent. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 11:42, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
-:You know what, while I had never thought about this before, I completely agree. To start reformatting and making everything better, we should start with rewriting all the articles that are written poorly, re-captioning images, general stuff like that, and I'll put a poll on the main page talk, since more people look at that than this, I think, about renaming articles. If we get enough votes, I'll start changing all the articles like Master Chief and Sergeant Major Avery Johnson to either redirects or disambiguation pages, and all that. Thanks for coming by and pointing all this out, and contratulations on writing what I think is quite possibly the longest talk page comment I have ever seen. ;D '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]'''<font color="purple"><sup>I too have an AI... his name is [[User:RelentlessRecusant|Supreme Honcho.]]</sup></font> 21:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
+:{{Support}} — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  14:42, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
-::Thanks. Hopefully we can get enough backing to upgrade this site to its true potential. While i may have my times of absence, I'm with you 'till the end. [[User:Dude984|Dude984]] 02:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
+== Character middle names ==
-:It sounds like a good way to make the articles smoother, but just be careful not to make fanfiction. Wanting to stay in the tone of the universe can lead to stuff like "ONI operatives have uncovered information suggesting (insert Bungie's latest teaser here)" when the info came from a source not in universe. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|talk]])</sup> 02:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
+I'd like to bring to light an issue about our current unwritten policy of titling character pages. The rule is ostensibly to use First name+Last name only, but this wasn't the case in [[Forum:Human middle names|the proposal that cemented our supposedly current standard]]. The idea was to use a format similar to Wikipedia in that the use of middle names or initials is decided on a case-by-case basis rather than using one single standardized format based on the way a particular character is commonly referenced in canon, and I still find myself in agreement with this.
-== Links ==
+For example, [[William Arthur Iqbal]] would stay the way it is because it's his first and only introduction, plus it seems his middle name is important given its inclusion in the story's title. [[Marcus Stacker]] might become "Marcus P. Stacker" because of the [[Pete Stacker|meta-significance]] of the middle initial as well as the fact it's his first full-name introduction. [[Preston Cole]] would be "Preston J. Cole" as detailed in the proposal's original example. Based on what we'll see in ''Nightfall'' and the Halo Channel encyclopedia, we might also include the full names of [[Gregory Aio Ramos]], [[Alistair Bov Estrin]] and [[Michael Bradley Horrigan]] in their article titles as the producers saw fit to include them in the casting sheets while leaving them out for other characters. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:02, 17 October 2014 (EDT)
-Okay, this one ''should'' be pretty obvious, but I just want to make sure we're at a consensus: Should we link to an article every time it's stated, or only the first time? It can be rather hard to determine which is the first time, and it can be annoying if someone wants to find information about something and it's not linked to further down, but the page gets really blue if it's linked to every time, so I'm kind of neutral... or does it really matter? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">g</font><font color="#770000"><sup>u</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">e</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>s</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">t</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">p</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>e</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">r</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>s</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">o</font><font color="#000066"><sub>n</sub></font><font color="#000000">y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>t</sup></font><font color="#007700">h</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>i</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">n</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">y</font>]]''' 07:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
+== Error ==
-:Generally we just link to things the first time they are stated. -[[User:ED|ED]] 21:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
+There is a small mistake, but an ironic one. The "heretic" page linked to in the article claims to refer to the heretics that "offend the Covenant religion" but in truth it links to the Heretic multiplayer map. [[User:Pecanurdu|Pecanurdu]] ([[User talk:Pecanurdu|talk]]) 04:08, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
-::Okay, so it's not really that big a deal, but it's best if we just link to the first one? Got it. Thanks! [[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|Guesty-Persony-Thingy]] Early 90's to March 31, 2007. RIP. 20:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
-:::Yeah, maybe if a page is really long you could link again like halfway down the page or soemthing, I guess, but in general, one link to an article per page. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 17:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Way to many [[]]. ==
-I'm trying to disambig Halopedia(daunting task) but I've notice due to the point system people are linking everything. For example:
-'''[[Tartarus]]:''' "Hurry, [[Arbiter]]! Get the [[Index|icon]]!"
-''(If you stall for a moment)''
-'''[[Spec Ops Elite]]:''' "We shall protect this vessel. It may be our only means of escape.
-'''[[Spec Ops Elite]] 2:''' "Retrieve the [[Index|Icon]], [[Arbiter]], for the [[Covenant]], and the [[Great Journey|Journey]]!"
-''(When you pass through the hallway,you will also see so [[Flood Infection Forms]] and enter the center of the [[Library]])''
-[[Image:H2 Index.jpg|150px|right]]
-''(Dolly-shot of the center of the [[Library]], where the [[Index]] is floating in a container similar to the one on [[Alpha Halo]]. [[Commander Miranda Keyes]] is approaching what appears to be a [[Flood]] tentacle, most likely Gravemind's (it may be a power cord from the enforcer on top of it), hanging off of some [[Enforcer]] wreckage. She holds onto it, while reaching for the [[Index]]. The container whirs, clicks, then releases the [[Index]]. She grabs it)''
-'''[[Commander Keyes]]:''' "Gotcha."
-''(The tentacle loses its hold-or Gravemind purposely releases it-and starts to loosen. [[Miranda Keyes|Keyes]] is about to fall to her death until the tentacle suddenly stops. She looks up and finds it is [[Sergeant Johnson|Sergeant Major Avery J. Johnson]] holding onto the tentacle)''
-'''[[Johnson]]:''' ''(Grunts)'' "You know, your [[Jacob Keyes|father]] never asked me for help either."
-'''[[Miranda]]:''' ''(Places [[Index]] in her belt)'' "The [[Index]] is secure."
-''([[Miranda]] climbs back onto the floor)''
-'''[[Johnson]]:''' "[[McKenzie (Marine)|McKenzie]], [[Perez (Marine)|Perez]], how's our exit?"
-''(No response)''
-'''[[Johnson]]:''' "You hear me, [[Marine|Marines]]?!"
-''(Still no response)''
-'''[[Johnson]]:''' ''(To [[Miranda Keyes|Keyes]])'' "We got trouble."
-''([[Miranda]] readies two [[SMG|M7 Sub Machine Guns]]. [[Johnson]] walks slowly, watching for any enemy in sight. He turns to his right)''
-This makes trying to disambig very very hard. What is in the MoS about linking every other word? Can I take them out or should I just leave them and forget about disambiging anything? [[User:Whispering|Whispering]] 04:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)