Talk:UNSC Gorgon

Jumping the Gun?

Unless there's a second reference I missed, I don't think there is evidence enough to justify calling this ship a Gorgon-class heavy destroyer. The text as I read it on Evolutions, page 447 indicates Cole was the first to command a heavy-destroyer-class vessel armed with a MAC. All we can canonically take from this is it's a heavy destroyer and that the first of the heavy destroyers to be equipped with a MAC was the UNSC Gorgon. I see nothing implying the Gorgon was the first heavy destroyer nor the first of its class. It could be that there were many heavy destroyers and that the Gorgon was the first to be brought into drydock and overhauled with a MAC and that vessel was assigned to Cole. I'm not saying the UNSC Gorgon cannot be a Gorgon-class destroyer, only that the text of the novel is ambiguous and that perhaps it shouldn't be stated so definitively in this article. - ScaleMaster117 (talk) 22:50, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

The article's note provides this: "Although the name of the ship's class is not mentioned, the UNSC Gorgon is stated to be the first of its class. Naval classifications take the name for the ship series after the name of the first ship, thus making ships built with the same design members of the Gorgon class." Chimes nicely with the Infinity-class.— subtank 06:44, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

Yes, but the actual article content (despite the note) as well as the infobox to the right of the page is informing readers that the ship is of the Gorgon-class. If anything, it should be a trivia note that it's not known if this is the implication, but that it may be.

The actual wording from the story is "the first heavy-destroyer-class vessel armed with a magnetic accelerator cannon (MAC), the UNSC Gorgon." It's the first one armed with a MAC. That's very different from saying it's talking about a Gorgon-class vessel. In this case, "class" is used like saying something is of the cruiser-class, light-frigate-class or the carrier-class. It's referring to the classification of the vessel type, not the specific ship name of the first of the line (which I agree the Infinity-class implies the UNSC Infinity is the first, and that the UNSC Halcyon was the first Halcyon-class cruiser. The UNSC Halcyon was also of the cruiser-class, but that's again how that usage of 'class' can change. What we need to recognize is what's being referred to in the Cole story. - ScaleMaster117 (talk) 07:00, 2 July 2013 (EDT)

I'm slightly confused... From that page, the UNSC Gorgon is a heavy-destroyer-class vessel of ??-class, the first one of ??-class to be armed with a MAC. According to modern naval classification, the name for the ship series is based on the first ship. Ergo, UNSC Gorgon is no longer of ??-class, its classifcation has been "rebranded" as Gorgon-class heavy destroyer. So, what has jumped the gun? — subtank 07:24, 2 July 2013 (EDT)