ScaleMaster117's board-to-board with Sith Venator

Yeah, sorry. If there's something I can help with, still feel free to message. :)

Kinda' what I figured. Thanks anyway.

No, sorry. I'd love that info too. When working on the first Visual Guide, we had to figure out the measurements of the vehicles in the game as they were included in the book so I have info on that, but I didn't get info on non-book items from Halo Wars. I'd have loved to know dimensions on many other things in that game including the Forerunner fleet ships. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the model files from the game.

Somebody was asking what the size of the buildings were in Halo Wars over at Halo Archive. You wouldn't happen to have an answer would you?

Scarab?

Okay good, we got all that confusion out of the way.

Bingo.

Okay so the "super scarab" is not the H2 Scarab. That equals out to: Type-36 Scarab being only in Halo Wars. Type-47 Scarab being in Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach.

The T-47 is both the Halo 2 and Halo 3/ODST/Reach versions. The T-36 is the Halo Wars one.

Those type designations for the most part are named so for the year of first encounter/catlogue by the UNSC/ONI, right? It has nothing to do with what they look like. The Halo 2 and 3 Scarab's look quite different, but they're both T-47 because they were both first encountered by the UNSC in 2547. That why the Plasma Pistol and the Brute Shot are both T-25. They were both observed in the first year of the Covenant war, 2525.

There are a couple of exceptions to this numbering scheme. There are a few instances (very few) where the type number is not the same as the year of first encounter/cataloging. There are also exceptions for the basic Covenant melee and explosives like the various grenades, swords and hammers.

So basically, if I'm hearing you correctly, this is what we'll have if 343 goes for the Type-36 being the H2/Super Scarab. Type-36 Scarab appearing in Halo 2 and Halo Wars. Type-47 Scarab appearing in Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, and Halo: Reach.

The Scarab page splits the two known Scarab models into subsections referring to the Halo 2/Super Scarab model as the V1 and the Halo 3/Wars/ODST/Reach version as the V2. Judging by the source this is information from the, you guessed it, Halo Encyclopedia. 

OK, I see now why I couldn't find it. There's no reference to "V1" in the Encyclopedia. A Halopedia adaptation perhaps to give it a designation. There is main reference to the Scarab which is entirely talking about the Halo 2 version. Then there's a version that's talking about the Lekgolo colony with 3 support weapons attached called "V.2". This is entirely the Halo 3 (or ODST) version. The Encyclopedia makes no reference to the Halo Wars Scarab at all. I only rely on the Encyclopedia if there's no other source of info. I believe 343i does the same. That's why we have Visual Guides now. :)

[1] The Scarab page splits the two known Scarab models into subsections referring to the Halo 2/Super Scarab model as the V1 and the Halo 3/Wars/ODST/Reach version as the V2. Judging by the source this is information from the, you guessed it, Halo Encyclopedia.

Where is "V1" referenced? The Halo 2 Scarab is clearly a T-47 because it's very explicit in the Evolutions' story 'Palace Hotel'. Sorry for not answering. Guess I'm not familiar where the V1 designation originates.

Well since it is mentioned in the Guide I suppose it deserves an article. However you kind of didn't answer my question whether or not the Halo 2 Scarab (V1 Type-47 Scarab) is the same kind as the Type-36 Scarab, the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform page assumes that the V1 and "Super Scarab", now Type-36, are the same model. Doing a little digging through the Scarab (level) article it seems the user who created the page made the notion that they were the same model based on its appearance and health.

I got an answer from 343i that they are considering the T-36 Scarab as the same variety as the Halo Wars one. What we bandied about is the Super Scarab in Halo Wars was seen in 2531 but it was in the Dome of Light. No one that encountered it was able to report on it (including the later-missing Spirit of Fire crew) and four years passed until another encounter with that type of Scarab occurred in 2536. The kicker is how to include this on Halopedia. If you want to still consider it speculation until a product comes from 343i, that's fine. For now, it's really just my say-so from a conversation with them. They can always decide something different later on in future media, but for now that's their stance.

It could be, but it's not6 the usual UNSC or ONI type designation. I'll try and find out what T-36 refers to. It could just be some interim Scarab type we've never seen. Something to flesh out the universe more, like the D78 Pelican fitting between the known D77 and D79 types. When I reviewed the book, I would have come across it, but I don't recall what was determined about it. Most of our correspondence was via email, but we had a couple of Skype conversations too that I can't 'look up' like email.

I was actually under the assumption that the "Super Scarab" in Halo Wars is actually just a V1.

Just came across your recent edit on the UNSC where you reordered the source material. If the source material is intended to be as chronological as possible, wouldn't Sadie's Story occur before the listing for ODST since her story is essentially complete by the time the Rookie awakens? Or is Sadie's Story listed after since it was bundled with ODST?