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:For 'Vadam, I didn't know the extent to which that government had claimed territories across the galaxy, whether it was on a scale of the UEG across a significant chunk of Orion or a relatively small area of influence of colonies near Sanghelios. Sadly we don't know much about the displacement of their territory to determine that so far. Concerning the titles themselves in the template, I took into account an entity's ability to govern over a large area like the Covenant, and exert influence and project power in the case of the UEG. I used the broader "galactic" as more and more actions post-war are presumably taken place outside Orion. Either will work well, I suppose! {{User:Helianthus/Sig}} | :For 'Vadam, I didn't know the extent to which that government had claimed territories across the galaxy, whether it was on a scale of the UEG across a significant chunk of Orion or a relatively small area of influence of colonies near Sanghelios. Sadly we don't know much about the displacement of their territory to determine that so far. Concerning the titles themselves in the template, I took into account an entity's ability to govern over a large area like the Covenant, and exert influence and project power in the case of the UEG. I used the broader "galactic" as more and more actions post-war are presumably taken place outside Orion. Either will work well, I suppose! {{User:Helianthus/Sig}} | ||
::I think "galactic" gives the wrong impression when talking about governments. While the UNSC has occupied or explored territory well outside of the Orion Arm, such as the Alpha, Delta and Gamma Halo sites, that doesn't make them UNSC or UEG property, and we have no evidence that the UNSC has colonies outside of the Orion Arm. As for the Covenant, we still don't know just how large their empire actually was, since we get contradicting statements - one moment Sanghelios is the only major world the Sangheili occupy, the next they suddenly have colonies like Hesduros - or how far apart their homeworlds were from each other. For all we know, the Orion Arm is a big enough place for a three thousand year old spacefaring race to inhabit and colonise without encountering humanity until recently. "Interstellar" gets across a more appropriate administrative scale. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:33, 11 August 2014 (EDT) | ::I think "galactic" gives the wrong impression when talking about governments. While the UNSC has occupied or explored territory well outside of the Orion Arm, such as the Alpha, Delta and Gamma Halo sites, that doesn't make them UNSC or UEG property, and we have no evidence that the UNSC has colonies outside of the Orion Arm. As for the Covenant, we still don't know just how large their empire actually was, since we get contradicting statements - one moment Sanghelios is the only major world the Sangheili occupy, the next they suddenly have colonies like Hesduros - or how far apart their homeworlds were from each other. For all we know, the Orion Arm is a big enough place for a three thousand year old spacefaring race to inhabit and colonise without encountering humanity until recently. "Interstellar" gets across a more appropriate administrative scale. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:33, 11 August 2014 (EDT) | ||
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I've found this template a bit unpractical thus far, especially due to its differentiation between governments and movements; political, religious and private factions, etc. I think often times these factions are not that clear-cut, and it's not necessarily instinctive. I'd like to suggest [[User:Imrane-117/Sandbox|an alternative template]], which is more based on themed groups. For example, if you're searching for the Ussans, you don't have to guess that it's a "contemporary movement that is political". Just check the few Covenant-related categories. The template is obviously subject to minor tweaks. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 13:04, 28 January 2015 (EST) | I've found this template a bit unpractical thus far, especially due to its differentiation between governments and movements; political, religious and private factions, etc. I think often times these factions are not that clear-cut, and it's not necessarily instinctive. I'd like to suggest [[User:Imrane-117/Sandbox|an alternative template]], which is more based on themed groups. For example, if you're searching for the Ussans, you don't have to guess that it's a "contemporary movement that is political". Just check the few Covenant-related categories. The template is obviously subject to minor tweaks. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 13:04, 28 January 2015 (EST) | ||
:I agree this template should have more in the way differentiation; it's not very intuitive to group the Insurrection-era factions with the Frieden, Koslovics or Ussans. While eschewing umbrella categories like the Covenant or humans is more neutral or "realistic", in a way, the reality of the ''Halo'' setting so far quite firmly favors that sort of division for the most part (any mixed groups are still a rarity), not to mention it's far more informative. Besides, as you said, the specific nature of the factions we see often isn't clearly defined, or they may occupy more than one of the categories currently used in the template, which makes the current differentiation rather unintuitive. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:46, 29 January 2015 (EST) | :I agree this template should have more in the way differentiation; it's not very intuitive to group the Insurrection-era factions with the Frieden, Koslovics or Ussans. While eschewing umbrella categories like the Covenant or humans is more neutral or "realistic", in a way, the reality of the ''Halo'' setting so far quite firmly favors that sort of division for the most part (any mixed groups are still a rarity), not to mention it's far more informative. Besides, as you said, the specific nature of the factions we see often isn't clearly defined, or they may occupy more than one of the categories currently used in the template, which makes the current differentiation rather unintuitive. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:46, 29 January 2015 (EST) | ||