Editing Talk:Second Battle of Mombasa

That other page was deleted awfully fast...we should've merged some stuff! =D --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>[[Image:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 14:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)



BTW! do we know if the battle has been won yet? --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>[[Image:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 18:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

:thanks. I wrote the other one, but it was redirected to Battle of Mombasa, which had none of this stuff in it. But this is way better than my newbie writeup. And the battle was definitely won, thanks to the Chief - we just haven't been told how or why yet. Maybe the Elite come riding in on winged horses, raining death from above!!! [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

*Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this battle can't possibly have happened? If we ignore the Halo 3 promo stuff's dubious level of canonicity, what about the fact that Mombasa was utterly wiped out when Regret's Carrier jumped, and that as soon as the Covenant returned, they began digging where the city once stood. [[User:95 Headhunter|<b><span style="color: gray">The 95 Headhunter]]</span></b> <sup>[[User talk:95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(radio)</span>]] [[special:Contributions/95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(mission log)</span>]]</sup> 20:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Its annoying me as well, i've been meanning to put 'canonicty in doubt' tag on all believe articles. Its possible that the battle took place during the time of the comics. And also, the portal site is no where near Mombasa. Its outside of Voi, under the Tsavo River/lake. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 20:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that the battle of vio could be part of the Second Battle of Mombasa just like the battle of Normandy is part of the battle of France in WW2--[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 05:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:It was only a loose comparison and don't delete someone post because you don't under stand it--[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 21:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, probs wasn't focusing too much on peoples poor theories that day, i msut of thought it was on the page xD.

However, your analogy makes no sense.

Normandy is a region in the country of France.

Voi and Mombasa are two cities in the country of Kenya. 

--[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 22:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'll admit it's a bad example but the point is that just because it's called the Second Battle of Mombasa does not mean it could not be the umbrella that all combat in East Africa falls under--[[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 03:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Uprising ==
Does anyone think that this battle may be included, in some fashion, in the Uprisisng comics, maybe in issue 3 or 4? [[User:A Monument to All Your Sins|A Monument to All Your Sins]] 13:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Just out of spite ==

maybe it not Master chief and an other Spartan II 
Yeah it a theory but at least it something --KDP3 02:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Only the photographer said Spartan 117... But... he could have just presumed it was as chief was on earth shortly before... Could be one of the other guys or even Grey Team.
:Also... Master Chief could also have been a misunderstanding by Jake Courage... Or... maybe one of the other SPARTAN IIs made it to this rank... And... if the second class WAS a Class of SPARTAN IIs instead of IIIs  (wchich is what SPARTAN II pages say)... huh?  possible.[[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 17:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say that it's entirely possible that the Spartan here isn't John-117 but a Spartan who has the same rank and that the battle actually took place in or around Voi or quite possibly in another region of Kenya. 
:I'd also be inclined to say that this issue may never be resolved. [[User talk:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 09:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dead chief ==

The infobox pic shows a dead Master chief holded by a brute chieftain. I suggest it to change it with something else.

*He's not dead in that picture. [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 11:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
*if you go to the site and watch the videos that go with the tour of the battle field it states that the chief detonates a plasma grenade in his hand. [[User:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 19:59, 15th April 2011

== Keep it clean ==

Since the trailer is taking place in Mombasa during the first and second battle of Earth so the possibility of this battle happening increasing for me--[[User:66.229.17.181|66.229.17.181]] 16:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
*Yeah, perhaps ''[[Halo 3: Recon]]'' will expand this battle.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 15:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

halo odst takes place during the events of halo 2 while master chief was at delta halo. [[Special:Contributions/70.119.157.33|70.119.157.33]] 21:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Non Canon ==
Because this battle is non canon (becuase master chief never participated in a 2nd battle of new mombasa. after he landed back on earth, he fought thru the african jungle, the level Sierra 117, then the battle of Crow's Nest), I think that it should emphasize that by stating that "the battle is non-canon" in the opening part of the article [[Special:Contributions/70.119.157.33|70.119.157.33]] 21:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Canon Status ==

Can this battle even be considered canon? It was a part of the Believe campaign, whose canonicity is ambiguous at best. Several parts of it contradict facts set up by, for example, Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, as well as the dates given in [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989 This Bungie.net entry]. In fact, most content here related to the time between H2 and H3 is based off the Believe campaign, which blatantly contradicts newer, set up facts. 

So. To avoid confusion, I vote this page, as well as most Believe-related stuff here should be marked with the Non-canon template. Even though never officially confirmed as being non-canon, it has became obvious it doesn't fit in with the established canon. As always, the games override everything else. And Believe was just a marketing campaign by Microsoft. --[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 09:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Halo Encyclopedia ==

I don't have said Encyclopedia, however i have heard that there are elements of Believe cited in the encyclopedia. Does this then pave the way for this article to become canon? It has been suggested above that it could be another Spartan in the battle, Maria perhaps? Think Troy, when Achilles cousin runs out in his armour: I'm pretty sure most people can't tell spartans apart and if it helped their fighting spirits a spartan, Maria, wouldn't stop to correct them. Real history has misrepresentations/mythology of events. This could be the ONI doctored version as the article itself suggests. I know this could border on fan-fiction, us trying to make it fit, but if it is in a canon source and there are peices that fit fairly easily with a little conjecture, why not? [[User talk:Classius|Classius]] 23:52, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


== Gonna say this very clearly ==

If the second battle of Mombasa, wasnt a real battle in the human-covenant war. What the HELL is the point of having it as an article, who thinks the article should be deleted? Cause all this article does is fuel speculation and pondering and that is NOT what halopedia is all about.

Any counter-arguments feel free to post here first before further action is took --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 18:15, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
 
:Did you not read the article? This battle is non-canon and based on the Believe advertising campaign so yes there is a reason to have this battle and it should not be deleted

:Thankyou and have a good day. Ow-ow! [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]]  18:54, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

::While Halopedia prefers to be considered a detailed home for canon works, it accepts other notable appearences. Red vs. Blue gets a mention on the wiki because it has been frequently talked about by Bungie and the Roosterteeth members have worked in Halo advertisement before (eg. machinima films using unreleased games). The Believe trailers are notable because they were officially endorsed by Microsoft as advertisement.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 04:19, 5 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Keep in mind, it's also possible that the Second Battle of Mombasa ''was'' a real battle, the historical records of which were doctored by ONI after the war to make it appear that John-117 had died there. The ''Halo Encyclopedia'' seemed to canonise elements of the ''Believe'' campaign, and I hope for greater clarification when the Visual Guide is released.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 04:43, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

If it was an actual battle that took place in the Human-covenant war then there should be a date or something like for when it happened. Cause theories and speculation shouldnt be acceptable on Halopedia--[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 05:30, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

:The battle is considered non canon at the moment that's why there's no date and it's not speculation it's based on the advertising campaign from Halo 3. So the article is fine it ''is'' acceptable on Halopedia and '''should''' be kept.

Thank you and have a good day

Ow-ow [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]]  11:43, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

In '''our''' universe, this is an advertisement campaign. In the '''Halo''' universe, this is a cover-up of all the Forerunner installations by the ONI spooks. If I'm not mistaken, this is just like Deliver Hope. Both a trailer, but also a real thing in the Halo universe. Actually, I'm a little surprised that Halopedia is just for canon subjects. I mean, its called Halopedia, not Canon Halopedia. We should include all Halo-related subjects and elements. Just saying. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 12:00, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

In that case it would be good if we errr changed some of the rules then, if halopedia isnt Canon pedia. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 07:22, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

:It's an unwritten rule when it comes to content that is not of canon nature, subjected to [[Project:Notability policy|notability]]. The very reason why we also cover multiplayer content and all other stuff. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:41, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

Errrm no, i dont think "Halo is not a speculative forum" is an unwritten rule mate. Go look up halo's policies and find out. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 10:43, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

:But I still don't understand, how is this speculation? I'm confused. Isn't this like Deliver Hope?
:*Believe = Deliver Hope Trailer
:*Second Battle of New Mombasa = [[Battle of Fumirole|Battle of the unidentified human colony]]
:I need to be enlightened. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 10:54, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Well with that unidentified human colony battle you mentioned, at the top it says its "conjectural" meaning not necessarily concrete proven halo facts. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 11:08, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

:No... It's the '''article name'' that's conjectural. The battle took place in the Halo universe, just like how the "Second Battle of NM" is a real thing in the Halo universe. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 11:17, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

::I'll amend Spartan331's comment: ''"the battle '''supposedly''' took place in the Halo universe"''. We don't know to what extent content in the Believe marketing campaign can be taken as canon; its status is similar to the situation of ILB where it is canon but at the same time not canon.
::This battle did not took place due to facts established by the games. However, since this battle is a content covered in a marketing campaign, which is part of the Halo franchise, it deserves its own article, hence the notability rule. Now, as for "speculation" part, I don't see what content is speculative other than those that have been tagged as conjectural content; all other information was from the now-removed marketing campaign. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:15, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
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+That other page was deleted awfully fast...we should've merged some stuff! =D --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>[[Image:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 14:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
-That other page was deleted awfully fast...we should've merged some stuff! =D --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>File:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 14:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
-BTW! do we know if the battle has been won yet? --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>File:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 18:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
+BTW! do we know if the battle has been won yet? --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>[[Image:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 18:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
-:thanks. I wrote the other one, but it was redirected to Battle of Mombasa, which had none of this stuff in it. But this is way better than my newbie writeup. And the battle was definitely won, thanks to the Chief - we just haven't been told how or why yet. Maybe the Elite come riding in on winged horses, raining death from above!!! File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
+:thanks. I wrote the other one, but it was redirected to Battle of Mombasa, which had none of this stuff in it. But this is way better than my newbie writeup. And the battle was definitely won, thanks to the Chief - we just haven't been told how or why yet. Maybe the Elite come riding in on winged horses, raining death from above!!! [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 *Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this battle can't possibly have happened? If we ignore the Halo 3 promo stuff's dubious level of canonicity, what about the fact that Mombasa was utterly wiped out when Regret's Carrier jumped, and that as soon as the Covenant returned, they began digging where the city once stood. [[User:95 Headhunter|<b><span style="color: gray">The 95 Headhunter]]</span></b> <sup>[[User talk:95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(radio)</span>]] [[special:Contributions/95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(mission log)</span>]]</sup> 20:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)