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Finally, how do you know that Bungie put that in there to show Sangheili admiration? The two Sangheili were discussing something controversial and a Brute approached. The Sangheili recoiled showing the distrust between the two species. How do you know that its sole intention was not to show the distrust between the two, thus foreshadowing the Schism? (Which is more apparent to Halo 2's plot than any Human-Sangheili relations as well) Other than The Cole Protocol, (In which it is only one lonely Sangheili in his thoughts...) we have not seen anything else like admiration since, and later canon seems to indicate that Humans really were nothing special in the Sangheili's eyes. Without Bungie making clear what their intention was with this then it is difficult to know what it truly means. It is weak evidence at best. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 21:03, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

Few Sangheili outright display hatred for humans simply because their humans. Many are simply being manipulated by the Prophet of Truth who said that they desecrated Forerunner artifacts. They are simply under the mistaken impression that humans like destroying Forerunner tech, which for them is heresy. When the Arbiter discovered the Prophets were lying he allied with Sgt. Johnson pretty easily. Earlier on he disagreed with Zhar but that's the point: it was early on. It was still near the beginning of the war and they haven't seen enough of human combat to consider them honorable or not. I never said the Halo 3 alliance was a friendship, there are obvious tensions between the two species. But if they truly hated humanity they would never have allied in the first place. From what's been seen on Sangheili customs death is a preferable alternative to dishonor. If they really looked down on humans that much they wouldn't have bothered teaming up with them all. And Xytan never really mentions the humans too much in his appearance. His main concern seemed to be dealing the Brutes and the Flood. Even when he tells Voro to go to Onyx his orders were to secure Forerunner technology and his reasons for it were mostly tactical. They still believe that the humans desecrated Forerunner technology at this point but when it became clear that wasn't the truth they willingly allied with humanity. And when Voro does make it to Onyx and defeats everyone he looks at Kurt respectfully and sees him as an equal, even stopping a pair of Hunters from killing him.

The Brute showing up at the end of the Conversation was very small. If Bungie put it in to display Elite-Brute tensions then they could have just had the Sangheili talking about how much the Brutes suck. The segment where the Grunt mentions that a Brute killed an Elite without being punished is a more clear example of the schism. Also them discontinuing the coversation may simply be because it was a taboo subject and may have done the same if any other species showed up. When it comes to little story segments like that every part of it has meaning behind it so the fact that they were talking about humans being honorable shows that there's something going on with the Sangeili view on the war and humans. LeeUnit92 16:04, 22 September 2011

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 Finally, how do you know that Bungie put that in there to show Sangheili admiration? The two Sangheili were discussing something controversial and a Brute approached. The Sangheili recoiled showing the distrust between the two species. How do you know that its sole intention was not to show the distrust between the two, thus foreshadowing the Schism? (Which is more apparent to Halo 2's plot than any Human-Sangheili relations as well) Other than The Cole Protocol, (In which it is only one lonely Sangheili in his thoughts...) we have not seen anything else like admiration since, and later canon seems to indicate that Humans really were nothing special in the Sangheili's eyes. Without Bungie making clear what their intention was with this then it is difficult to know what it truly means. It is weak evidence at best. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 21:03, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
+Few Sangheili outright display hatred for humans simply because their humans. Many are simply being manipulated by the Prophet of Truth who said that they desecrated Forerunner artifacts. They are simply under the mistaken impression that humans like destroying Forerunner tech, which for them is heresy. When the Arbiter discovered the Prophets were lying he allied with Sgt. Johnson pretty easily. Earlier on he disagreed with Zhar but that's the point: it was early on. It was still near the beginning of the war and they haven't seen enough of human combat to consider them honorable or not. I never said the Halo 3 alliance was a friendship, there are obvious tensions between the two species. But if they truly hated humanity they would never have allied in the first place. From what's been seen on Sangheili customs death is a preferable alternative to dishonor. If they really looked down on humans that much they wouldn't have bothered teaming up with them all. And Xytan never really mentions the humans too much in his appearance. His main concern seemed to be dealing the Brutes and the Flood. Even when he tells Voro to go to Onyx his orders were to secure Forerunner technology and his reasons for it were mostly tactical. They still believe that the humans desecrated Forerunner technology at this point but when it became clear that wasn't the truth they willingly allied with humanity. And when Voro does make it to Onyx and defeats everyone he looks at Kurt respectfully and sees him as an equal, even stopping a pair of Hunters from killing him.
+The Brute showing up at the end of the Conversation was very small. If Bungie put it in to display Elite-Brute tensions then they could have just had the Sangheili talking about how much the Brutes suck. The segment where the Grunt mentions that a Brute killed an Elite without being punished is a more clear example of the schism. Also them discontinuing the coversation may simply be because it was a taboo subject and may have done the same if any other species showed up. When it comes to little story segments like that every part of it has meaning behind it so the fact that they were talking about humans being honorable shows that there's something going on with the Sangeili view on the war and humans. LeeUnit92 16:04, 22 September 2011