Forum:Domain overhaul - And what do you think?: Difference between revisions

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::Uh, did you even read - or understand - the reasons for the move? It's because Wikia is about to make using this wiki a chore, not because "the opportunity is here". Likewise, "what we have done here on Halopedia" doesn't have anything to do with it. Go try out the new skin to see what it's like. Or just wait until it's forced on everyone. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 07:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

*{{Oppose}} - If Halopedia moves, that would be extremely disappointing, and I firmly believe that it would also be a step in the wrong direction. I have heard arguments that Halopedia is deteriorating because of Wikia. That is not true. The health of a wiki is not measured by how its host treats it; it is determined by the spirit of its users and their continuing willingness to take part. If a wiki community falters, it is a problem that can only be resolved by the efforts of its own users. The wise person, faced with adversity, always considers improving themselves first, before starting on others. Appropriating blame onto others should not be done lightly. I have heard arguments that the new skin is very bad. This argument is all too familiar. I seem to recall that users were equally up in arms when Wikia wanted to bring in the current Monaco skin. Many grew to like it! How can anyone pass judgement on a product before they've tried it, before they've totally and utterly prove that it is complete rubbish? Also, nothing is yet to convince me that any kind of alternative host will maintain, or improve, traffic as it stands on Halopedia today. How can you prove that alternative hosts will always be relatively ad-free? There is one hard fact, and that is, hosting websites takes money. Hosting a relatively big website like Halopedia takes a lot of money. How do you get money? Through ads. Do donations work on wikis not the size of Wikipedia? No. In summary, I strongly urge reconsideration. I strongly urge an internal review of what can be improved - policy, community cohesion, whatever - before taking a risk such as this. This is a very risky move, and I believe that the risk is greater than the benefit. [[User:The 888th Avatar|'''The 888th Avatar''']] [[User talk:The 888th Avatar|(talk)]] 13:57, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

:{{Comment}} - The 888th Avatar, your vote is certainly interesting, but I'm afraid that your arguments are invalid.

:*''That is not true.'' [citation needed]

:*''How can anyone pass judgement on a product before they've tried it'' - I think that most people supporting this proposal actually have tried it and haven't liked it.

:*''I strongly urge an internal review of what can be improved - policy, community cohesion, whatever - before taking a risk such as this.'' - So it's the fault of the community that they don't like the new skin (and many other Wikia updates)? This is certainly an interesting point of view, but I don't think that many people agree with you on this.

:--[[User talk:Mary-Kate|Mary-Kate]] 10:52, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

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 ::Uh, did you even read - or understand - the reasons for the move? It's because Wikia is about to make using this wiki a chore, not because "the opportunity is here". Likewise, "what we have done here on Halopedia" doesn't have anything to do with it. Go try out the new skin to see what it's like. Or just wait until it's forced on everyone. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 *{{Oppose}} - If Halopedia moves, that would be extremely disappointing, and I firmly believe that it would also be a step in the wrong direction. I have heard arguments that Halopedia is deteriorating because of Wikia. That is not true. The health of a wiki is not measured by how its host treats it; it is determined by the spirit of its users and their continuing willingness to take part. If a wiki community falters, it is a problem that can only be resolved by the efforts of its own users. The wise person, faced with adversity, always considers improving themselves first, before starting on others. Appropriating blame onto others should not be done lightly. I have heard arguments that the new skin is very bad. This argument is all too familiar. I seem to recall that users were equally up in arms when Wikia wanted to bring in the current Monaco skin. Many grew to like it! How can anyone pass judgement on a product before they've tried it, before they've totally and utterly prove that it is complete rubbish? Also, nothing is yet to convince me that any kind of alternative host will maintain, or improve, traffic as it stands on Halopedia today. How can you prove that alternative hosts will always be relatively ad-free? There is one hard fact, and that is, hosting websites takes money. Hosting a relatively big website like Halopedia takes a lot of money. How do you get money? Through ads. Do donations work on wikis not the size of Wikipedia? No. In summary, I strongly urge reconsideration. I strongly urge an internal review of what can be improved - policy, community cohesion, whatever - before taking a risk such as this. This is a very risky move, and I believe that the risk is greater than the benefit. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:#4169E1;" title="Wjxhuang">'''The&nbsp;888th&nbsp;Avatar'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:The 888th Avatar|<span style="font-size:12px; color:#888888;" title="Contact me">(talk)</span>]] 13:57, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
+:{{Comment}} - The 888th Avatar, your vote is certainly interesting, but I'm afraid that your arguments are invalid.
+:*''That is not true.'' <sup>[citation needed]</sup>
+:*''How can anyone pass judgement on a product before they've tried it'' - I think that most people supporting this proposal actually have tried it and haven't liked it.
+:*''I strongly urge an internal review of what can be improved - policy, community cohesion, whatever - before taking a risk such as this.'' - So it's the fault of the community that they don't like the new skin (and many other Wikia updates)? This is certainly an interesting point of view, but I don't think that many people agree with you on this.
+:--[[User talk:Mary-Kate|Mary-Kate]] 10:52, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
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