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:::Selectivity has always been one of the Flood's most important traits...

:::I saw the trailer, and I like it! It certainly has a nice good BSG vibe, and the characters seem well-defined and the story a good way to frame a lead-in feature. Considering both Nightfall and Escalation seem to be leading their characters to Halos, I wonder if that will be where Halo 5 opens, with the Chief saving Locke at the beginning, then shifting to Locke coming for him?

:::And excited to hear about a new "Condor" dropship - just after Loftus has redone his charts! He must be thrilled :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 18:42, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

:::And excited to hear about a new "Condor" dropship - just after Loftus has redone his charts! He must be thrilled :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 18:42, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

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:Yeah, I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss either of those possibilities, flood or Leckgolo. It just seems out of character for both. Let me suggest one other weird idea. What if its Forerunner? I know that's almost impossible, but I would really like to see something more made out of the Forerunners. Hundreds of eons of technological advancement, and they feel like modern (2500s, anyway) humans, pretty much. This could be a cool defense system. It's composed of smaller parts that can assemble and reassemble at will, much like Onyx Sentinals, only with biotech. --[[User:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] ([[User talk:Weeping Angel|talk]]) 11:59, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

::I was just thinking that it could be a hardlight hologram, or something of the kind. Your proposal sounds much more sci-fi, and probably more interesting than what we'll get! :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 18:12, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

::I was just thinking that it could be a hardlight hologram, or something of the kind. Your proposal sounds much more sci-fi, and probably more interesting than what we'll get! :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 18:12, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

:::I like the Forerunner bio/nanotech proposal. Something like that isn't beyond them, after all, given the known nature of the [[Huragok]]. Still, it would raise the question of why we never saw them before. Maybe an emergency operational mode or malfunction of some sort (not impossible given the state of the ring)? As for the Lekgolo idea, if the individual eels were that nimble and fast on their own you'd think the Covenant would've just deployed them in giant swarms that roll over everything in the battlefield like a tidal wave. Though this wouldn't be the first time they came up with new abilities without considering their bigger implications (I'm looking at you, Karen Traviss & Brian Reed and your instant interstellar teleportation). And Frankie seems to be fond of Lekgolo so they can't entirely be ruled out either. Finally, the Flood is not out of the question. We know they're highly adaptable and mutable so this being a variation of say, the infection form or pure form concepts wouldn't be unthinkable. If the shapeshifting figure is related to the bioweapon (which it likely is), the "element" part would rule out Lekgolo and leave Forerunner smatter and Flood (specifically, the base genetic material). Or something truly new, maybe related to the HCEA terminals' alien vessel. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 00:32, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

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I love being right. What I don't get is how do you "reverse" enhancements like a material surgically grafted into your bones, or a dramatic overhaul of your entire nervous system or muscle fibers, without slipping into comic book nonsense. Did they give him the anti-Spartan serum or something? Then he writhed for some time in intense pain on the operating table (the "excruciating process") and his powers were gone? Maybe ONI also tested their new secret weapon, the shrink ray, on him given the size difference. That or nanomachines did it. Or maybe he never lost his augmentations and is revealed to have been an ONI double agent all along. In any case a proper explanation would be nice. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 06:51, 12 November 2014 (EST)

:Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST)

:Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST)

::His waypoint article confirms his augmentations were removed. How though is a good question.[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 04:45, 16 November 2014 (EST)

:::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST)

:::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST)

::::[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/randall-aiken ''"(Aiken) eventually negotiated a deal where ONI reversed many of his augmentations (in what would be an excruciating process) in return for his release from service to the UNSC."''] Sounds like there was more going on than the body's natural processes. Also, I don't have an Xbone either. Didn't stop me from seeing Nightfall though. ;) --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 10:51, 16 November 2014 (EST)

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As an aside I liked Horrigan's comment about how the Sedrans are "two centuries behind us" and "still believe in Valhalla". At first I thought that was a hyperbole or joke or he was just clueless about the local religions, but it could also be that the Norse religion was in vogue in the 2300's. It'd be a little silly and unexpected but stranger things have happened. Sometimes it's easy to forget how much cultures can change in five hundred years, particularly when you have hundreds of different offshoots developing on their own on different worlds. I like these sorts of bits of future history that remind us this is not just today's world in space (something I had a problem with in the ''Kilo-Five Trilogy''). --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 03:27, 13 November 2014 (EST)

:Well, there are Norse paganists around today. Just as their Greek and Celtic paganists, not to mention the Wiccans who constructed an entire religion from basically snippets of folklore. I don't know how seriously people take something like Asatru theology-wise, compared to being a cultural-revival thing, but people will believe in strange things. It makes as much sense as some others, I guess! -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 14:03, 18 November 2014 (EST)

:Well, there are Norse paganists around today. Just as their Greek and Celtic paganists, not to mention the Wiccans who constructed an entire religion from basically snippets of folklore. I don't know how seriously people take something like Asatru theology-wise, compared to being a cultural-revival thing, but people will believe in strange things. It makes as much sense as some others, I guess! -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 14:03, 18 November 2014 (EST)

So, I managed to find some time to watch it and... I don't really like the first episode. There's a treaty? An Elite Zealot, a species known for its honour code, resorting to detonating a dirty bomb (which is a very cowardly move, moreso for an Elite Zealot!)? Wait, the "element" infects only humans yet not every human is infected? And I am still having trouble accepting the reversal of the surgical augmentations of Randall. It's like reversing Wolverine's adamantium skeleton and claws. *shrugs* — [[User:Subtank|subtank]] 11:15, 20 November 2014 (EST)

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 :::Selectivity has always been one of the Flood's most important traits...
 :::I saw the trailer, and I like it! It certainly has a nice good BSG vibe, and the characters seem well-defined and the story a good way to frame a lead-in feature. Considering both Nightfall and Escalation seem to be leading their characters to Halos, I wonder if that will be where Halo 5 opens, with the Chief saving Locke at the beginning, then shifting to Locke coming for him?
-:::And excited to hear about a new "Condor" dropship - just after Loftus has redone his charts! He must be thrilled :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:42, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
+:::And excited to hear about a new "Condor" dropship - just after Loftus has redone his charts! He must be thrilled :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:42, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
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 :Yeah, I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss either of those possibilities, flood or Leckgolo. It just seems out of character for both. Let me suggest one other weird idea. What if its Forerunner? I know that's almost impossible, but I would really like to see something more made out of the Forerunners. Hundreds of eons of technological advancement, and they feel like modern (2500s, anyway) humans, pretty much. This could be a cool defense system. It's composed of smaller parts that can assemble and reassemble at will, much like Onyx Sentinals, only with biotech. --[[User:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] ([[User talk:Weeping Angel|talk]]) 11:59, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
-::I was just thinking that it could be a hardlight hologram, or something of the kind. Your proposal sounds much more sci-fi, and probably more interesting than what we'll get! :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:12, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
+::I was just thinking that it could be a hardlight hologram, or something of the kind. Your proposal sounds much more sci-fi, and probably more interesting than what we'll get! :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:12, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
 :::I like the Forerunner bio/nanotech proposal. Something like that isn't beyond them, after all, given the known nature of the [[Huragok]]. Still, it would raise the question of why we never saw them before. Maybe an emergency operational mode or malfunction of some sort (not impossible given the state of the ring)? As for the Lekgolo idea, if the individual eels were that nimble and fast on their own you'd think the Covenant would've just deployed them in giant swarms that roll over everything in the battlefield like a tidal wave. Though this wouldn't be the first time they came up with new abilities without considering their bigger implications (I'm looking at you, Karen Traviss & Brian Reed and your instant interstellar teleportation). And Frankie seems to be fond of Lekgolo so they can't entirely be ruled out either. Finally, the Flood is not out of the question. We know they're highly adaptable and mutable so this being a variation of say, the infection form or pure form concepts wouldn't be unthinkable. If the shapeshifting figure is related to the bioweapon (which it likely is), the "element" part would rule out Lekgolo and leave Forerunner smatter and Flood (specifically, the base genetic material). Or something truly new, maybe related to the HCEA terminals' alien vessel. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:32, 22 October 2014 (EDT)
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 I love being right. What I don't get is how do you "reverse" enhancements like a material surgically grafted into your bones, or a dramatic overhaul of your entire nervous system or muscle fibers, without slipping into comic book nonsense. Did they give him the anti-Spartan serum or something? Then he writhed for some time in intense pain on the operating table (the "excruciating process") and his powers were gone? Maybe ONI also tested their new secret weapon, the shrink ray, on him given the size difference. That or nanomachines did it. Or maybe he never lost his augmentations and is revealed to have been an ONI double agent all along. In any case a proper explanation would be nice. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:51, 12 November 2014 (EST)
-:Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST)
+:Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST)
 ::His waypoint article confirms his augmentations were removed. How though is a good question.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 04:45, 16 November 2014 (EST)
-:::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST)
+:::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST)
 ::::[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/randall-aiken ''"(Aiken) eventually negotiated a deal where ONI reversed many of his augmentations (in what would be an excruciating process) in return for his release from service to the UNSC."''] Sounds like there was more going on than the body's natural processes. Also, I don't have an Xbone either. Didn't stop me from seeing Nightfall though. ;) --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:51, 16 November 2014 (EST)
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 As an aside I liked Horrigan's comment about how the Sedrans are "two centuries behind us" and "still believe in Valhalla". At first I thought that was a hyperbole or joke or he was just clueless about the local religions, but it could also be that the Norse religion was in vogue in the 2300's. It'd be a little silly and unexpected but stranger things have happened. Sometimes it's easy to forget how much cultures can change in five hundred years, particularly when you have hundreds of different offshoots developing on their own on different worlds. I like these sorts of bits of future history that remind us this is not just today's world in space (something I had a problem with in the ''Kilo-Five Trilogy''). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:27, 13 November 2014 (EST)
-:Well, there are Norse paganists around today. Just as their Greek and Celtic paganists, not to mention the Wiccans who constructed an entire religion from basically snippets of folklore. I don't know how seriously people take something like Asatru theology-wise, compared to being a cultural-revival thing, but people will believe in strange things. It makes as much sense as some others, I guess! -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 14:03, 18 November 2014 (EST)
+:Well, there are Norse paganists around today. Just as their Greek and Celtic paganists, not to mention the Wiccans who constructed an entire religion from basically snippets of folklore. I don't know how seriously people take something like Asatru theology-wise, compared to being a cultural-revival thing, but people will believe in strange things. It makes as much sense as some others, I guess! -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 14:03, 18 November 2014 (EST)
 So, I managed to find some time to watch it and... I don't really like the first episode. There's a treaty? An Elite Zealot, a species known for its honour code, resorting to detonating a dirty bomb (which is a very cowardly move, moreso for an Elite Zealot!)? Wait, the "element" infects only humans yet not every human is infected? And I am still having trouble accepting the reversal of the surgical augmentations of Randall. It's like reversing Wolverine's adamantium skeleton and claws. *shrugs* — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:15, 20 November 2014 (EST)