Talk:Sergeant (UNSC)

Facts Confirmed

• On 14:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Yamanba had some issues with this article, including, "Please supply the source and location of the ranking image you have added to this article. Show me where the UNSC uses these specific ranking "stripes!"". However on 11:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC) they were resolved:

File:British Sergeant.gif

Could as easily be this British Sergeant Ranking Design

They used the British design!

There is just as much evidence that they used the British design as they used the American design. FANFICTION! -- Yamanba 22:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no way this is wrong and you al know it!--Ryanngreenday 18:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If it's so right then prove that they use the american design! Show me a picture, give me a quote ... Oh you have no evidence? That's what I thought. -- Yamanba 22:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I shall search! I will look all over the game, I will look all across the internet!--JohnSpartan117 23:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Please do and settle this debate -- Yamanba 11:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Look at the Characters many ranks with Sergeant in them the lossest being Sergeant its self sound fermiler doesn't it.--Ryanngreenday 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

lossest, fermiler? What are you saying??? That Sergeant is the loosest rank? I don't know what being "loose" has anything to do with this but many military forces around the world use the rank Sergeant and if it's mentioned in the Halo Universe I have no problem with it. BUT alot of these ranks are just made up with no Halo cannon confirmation. My problem with this article in particular is the FANFICTION Sergeant badge. -- Yamanba 11:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• In the books the Naval Officers and Marine Officers wear the same rank Insignias just look at Captain Keyes's Medals on this site and in the first strike book the master chief see First Lieutenant Elias Haverson rank Insignia and salutes him--Ryanngreenday 10:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well we aren't talking about Medals are we. And you mean to tell me that you could "see" what the rank patch looked like by reading the text in the book? Or was there a picture? If there was a picture please show us. -- Yamanba 11:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I beleive he is referring to this picture I just put up. The two bars represent a "Captain" and those Two bars are used by U.S. Forces. Im not sure do other countries use the same thing?

The various ribbons of Keyes.

--JohnSpartan117 22:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Those aren't the shoulder ignsigna that are in dispute in this article and yes other countries use those bars and the title "Captain" for that matter -- Yamanba 01:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Let Climax Finnish this, this is the American Sergeant insignia looks the same because it basicly is inlike the German one, the Yanks goes up the Limies goes down. Leave it as it is because we British Rule --Climax Viod 11:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

God you people can't even get your stories straight about what is what in the American ranking system! THIS is exactly why we should erase all the ranks until Bungie releases a ranking system. So now we have two American badges: -- Yamanba 11:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

File:MC Sgt e5.gif

Insignia of an American Sergeant according to JohnSpartan117

File:Sergent insignia.png

Insignia of an American Sergeant according to Climax Viod

For Gods Sake, DO it how you like then, your like a bunch of Crying Babies some one from a different country will see it and think no that’s not right our rank looks like this. Just stick a insignia on it and be done --Climax Viod 11:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Halopedia IS NOT a place for guess work! We don't just say, "Oh this is pretty, this image is the new face for Master Chief!" We find a source, have evidence and then post it. -- Yamanba 22:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Yamanba your the wrong person to try and get these deleted because you know nothing both of these Insignia are american Sergeants there are alot of ranks with Sergeant in the name most of witch are called Sergeant because its quicker to say.--Ryanngreenday 18:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I know nothing about the Insignias of the UNSCDF, YOU know nothing about the UNSCDF ranks or insignias, only Bungie knows. Which is why the ranks that aren't mentioned in the Halo Universe should be deleted. It's like User:Dragonclaws says, "just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth." Just because you add your FanFantasy to a page doesn't mean it's true. -- Yamanba 22:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• The symbol to the left is the United States Marine Corps sergeant rank. The symbol to the right is the United States Army sergeant rank. They are not the same, and the UMSC symbol is the more likely candidate. -ED 19:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, what I would of said, had I been here before ED. Well said ED. --JohnSpartan117 22:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly as ED said, Halopedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information about the American Military

Exactly as Dragonclaws said, "In any case, just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth"! A statement on Halopedia must have proof. WHERE is the picture of the shoulder patchs that confirm your FanFantasy Image of the Sergeant Stripes? -- Yamanba 01:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this still going on!, i forgot i was looking for a Merine insignia American Merine would be right as they are Merines. Bungie most likly hasnt made a whole rank system yet anyway --Climax Viod 17:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to bother reading your boring threads

• Ok, first, I would like to point out, not only am I lazy, but I am not going to read all of those posts because half of them are meaningless. Now that that has been said, I would like to point a few things out. Thus far, the UNSC ranking system of both the Marines and Navy has followed American ranking to the letter. The British Royal Marines might have a Sergeant, but do they also have a Staff Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, and Sergeant Major? The Royal Navy may have a Captain, but do they also Ensign, Commander, and Master Chief Petty Officer? Remember that both Microsoft and Bungie hail from America, as does Eric Nylund. I think it is safe to assume that they follow an American ranking structure. I am not saying to assume, just that it would be safe to do so. Next, I saw a tad bit of...I don't know what to call it...ignorance is probably a good word for it. The image of an American Sergeant by JohnSpartan117 is that of a American Marine Corps Sergeant. The other, by Climax Viod, is that of an American Army Sergeant. There is a difference. Finally, I believe the image on the page that we are debating about says "Insignia of a Sergeant in the Present Day USMC". What is the argument about? It says right there that it is not the rank that a Sergeant in Halo might wear, but rather than of an American Marine Corps Sergeant of 2006.--Rotaretilbo 18:05, 05 December 2006

• Well you think the ranks are right thats good for you its great to have more people with common sence now.--Ryanngreenday 13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Well I'm glad you agree with me that we should delete all the ranks that are not mentioned in the Halo canon. Obviously you've read Halopedia policy that stats that Halopedia IS NOT a place for non-Halopedia realated info aka indiscriminate information. I glad someone finally has the guts to say DELETE this fanfiction! Halo is not a place to have articles about TODAY, 2006 military ranks! I'm glad you're following Halopedia policy just like me. Don't worry though there are others you agree that this fiction should be deleted. Ryanngreenday has added Realworld templates to all the ranks that should be deleted because they have nothing to do with the halo Universe and are just collections of indiscriminate information, which as we all know is AGAINST Halopedia policy and those that post random non-Halo related articles risk getting banned.-- Yamanba 15:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

How about we just have articles about the ranks that have been seen in the books and games.?--Ryanngreenday 22:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Picture or the Name

Wait, Yamanba, are you implying the rank Sergeant is fanfiction, or just the picture? If you think the entire rank is fanfiction...I don't even know what to say. Try reading Sergeant Corly and Sergeant Parker. Are those fanfic too? Do I have to give you page numbers out of Halo: The Flood in order for this to end?--Rot 1944 7.12.06

• Obviously I'm talking about the images used in the article which as you know are not allowed as Halopedia is Not a place to store pictures about present day military rank badges

• Yes, well you said "Ryanngreenday has added Realworld templates to all the ranks that should be deleted because they have nothing to do with the halo Universe and are just collections of indiscriminate information", and since the Sergeant had a Realworld template at the time, wouldn't that imply it ought be deleted? That implies the article, not just the image. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, Eric has all but absolutely confirmed the rank as being based upon the American system.--Rot 1221 9.12.06

Letter from Eric Nylund

Ok, now I know this won't settle it, but this will at least help to settle it. I figured, why argue back and forth, you obviously won't bend unless Bungie rang your doorbell and told you. Thus, I emailed Eric Nylund, and to my surprise, he replied quite quickly. Here we are:

Template:BigQuote --Rot 2010 7.12.06

Eric Talked about Rank Insignas?

Oh he confirmed that present day rank badges are used in the Halo Universe? Or are you just speculating that. The issue I have with this article is the fan fiction Sergent badge and how it is not allowed on Halopedia as Halopedia is Not a place to store pictures about present day military rank badges. The badge could have been changed in 500 years. Maybe the present day colors don't show up well in space, maybe the Marines are part of the Airforce instead of the Navy, whatever the case We don't know what the badge looks like, therefore it should be removed from this page. -- Yamanba 05:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• I was more refering to your genocidal attack on all ranks, some of which are even included in the Halo series. As for the badge, if we can confirm the Sergeant is an American Marine Sergeant, and that the Captain insignia has not changed at all, then I think it is ok to have a single picture that doesn't even indicate that it is the canon confirmed badge of the Marine.--Rotaretilbo 23:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• Also,

Vote for Image

Let's geet down to the nitty gritty. Do you think the USMC rank insigni should be deleted from this article?

Keep - I think that there is plenty of evidence that the UNSC, being based upon the USMC and USN ranking systems, uses USMC and USN insignia. Ans because we don't have an actual picture of the insignia, I think that the picture should be allowed.--Rot 23:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture removed as it while the Ranking system is probably American we don't know what the badges would look like. -- Esemono 11:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)