Editing Talk:Morsam-pattern Seraph

"Seraphs are said to be unable to fly in atmospheric environments"

In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, during the assault on Pegasi Delta, the Spartan-IIIs are the subject of strafing runs by Seraph starfighters. If the quote above is true, then these strafing runs would've been impossible. As such, the quote above should probably be removed.

-=Moxus=-

Yeah, and it seems in Halo: Reach that Seraphs have no problems flying in an atmosphere. Should someone alter the description a bit?

== Indecision ==

I have noticed that both the Seraph and the Long-swords articles say that they are supperior to the other. han we decide please? or at least note advantages/dissadvantages? eg: the longsword is over twice the size with a far heavier armament.

== Indecision ==

Just a minor one, they are referenced in First strike.

== Size & Dimensions ==

Its possible to get the other dimensions for the seraph too not just the lengthI know people rip Halo 2 all the time and get tags so I think it would be possible to rip the tag and get the dimensions in Gmax or 3-Ds max. It then be possible to translate into feet or meters by comparing it to the scale of certaint objects that have known non-3dsoftware dimensions. I'd do it but I don't want to buy Halo 2 for the PC just to get the dimensions. By the way, I'm curious where the length dimension came from anyway.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 03:45, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

== Pilots ==

I understand that Elites ''<u>can</u>'' pilot seraphs, but in the instances where they're used wouldnt it make more sense to have grunts or even jackels contol them. They must lose tons of these per engagement and this does not fit the role Elites play in the Covenant.

:I think it's a matter of trust. Letting Grunts use Ghosts on the ground is one thing - letting them use highly advanced and capable spacecraft is another thing entirely. Remember, Grunts are given minimal training and fielded in mass numbers - Elites are specialists, given the best equipment and using the best weaponry. As for the Jackals - nobody's doubting their capability, its a matter of loyalty. When a soldier's willingness to follow orders is based on potential profit, you tend to not want them covering your back (or ships, as the case may be). -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

==Name==
It's briefly mentioned in the article, but the name should be changed to the Type-31 XMF. Any ideas on what XMF stands for?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

:The ONI designation can be seen in Reach stat pages if someone wonders. As for what it means... Experimental Multirole Fighter? Doesn't sound logical though, as Seraphs have been encountered before the fall of Reach. [[User talk:T51b|T51b]] 21:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it should be changed, as all of the other Covie vehicles and weapons use their Type-? names. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

:Of course it should be changed for consistency but the problem is, we don't know what XMF means. Type-31 XMF as name ain't very good, i think. [[User talk:T51b|T51b]] 12:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

::"Experimental Multirole Fighter" would make perfect sense if we didn't already know that the Seraph was used throughout the war. Perhaps the ''Type-31 XMF'' designation, specifically the "XMF" part, refers specifically to the Seraphs in ''Reach''. Unlike the ones seen in ''Halo 2'', ''Halo 3'', and ''The Package'', the ones in ''Reach'' are colored differently, have drastically different engines, have horizontal grooves along the tail sections, and have different superficial features on the outer hull, such as what is presumably the hatch. Furthermore, they're seen exiting Slipspace in ''Long Night of Solace''. I believe that they are merely being hurled from a ship while it is in Slipspace, such as with the Long Range Stealth Orbital Insertion Pod and the SPARTANs' modified Spirit from ''First Strike'', but maybe that explains the remarkably different design. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 12:51, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that XMF is shared with Type 27 XMF... the space capable version of Banshee, as seen in Halo Waypoint video. I suggested that Experimental Multirole Fighter before i saw the video, naturally. And yes, it doesn't make sense based on existing information. Bungie has retconned bunch of stuff in Reach, however. Brutes looks are altered, as is that of Elites. Battle of Reach's date is changed. Visual overhaul doesn't mean it is as of yet seen subtype or anything such. Besides, simplest explanation is the right one usually, in this case, retcon due preferrence (i'd say in-universe explanation is not as simple). Maybe Seraph retained XMF status by ONI the whole war... maybe GIGAS and TARASQUE were used early on and ressemble Seraph enough so that any book text could apply to them, when Seraph is not said. Halo Reach stat pages refer T31XMF as Seraph. Can be see here, don't look if you want to avoid spoilers (there might be) http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/CareerStats/enemies.aspx?player=ske7ch [[User talk:T51b|T51b]] 13:01, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
:::Or maybe, as Bungie as used X to on the page about Reach in the Intel > CAA Factbook to mean "Exo" it could mean that, because it's in space. It would make the most sense, especially for the Banshee, with the two versions, one being a space version. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:28, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

::::Ahh. These are excellent observations. "Exoatmospheric" makes much more sense than "Experimental", especially since the designation is shared with the space-capable Banshee. Therefore, the Seraph's designation might be ''Type-31 Exoatmospheric Multirole Fighter''. I'm also quite glad that the "space" Banshee has a separate designation, as it's clearly a different model from the Type-26 GSA. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 14:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

:::::Exactly, it makes perfect sense, but even if we don't know exactly what it stands for, the article should still be renamed, because we '''do''' know that its name is the Type-31 XMF. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:57, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

::::::I love discussions... :3
::::::Anyway, although it makes sense, we should still wait for verification from Bungie/343i. I'm assuming they will reveal the abbreviations several weeks soon.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 06:38, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

== Pilot-able in Reach, without mods! ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcCRnw2xRM0 Check it] {{Unsigned|69.132.79.61}}
:[[Pilotable Seraph|Already covered]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 09:44, 20 November 2010 (EST)
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 I understand that Elites ''<u>can</u>'' pilot seraphs, but in the instances where they're used wouldnt it make more sense to have grunts or even jackels contol them. They must lose tons of these per engagement and this does not fit the role Elites play in the Covenant.
-:I think it's a matter of trust. Letting Grunts use Ghosts on the ground is one thing - letting them use highly advanced and capable spacecraft is another thing entirely. Remember, Grunts are given minimal training and fielded in mass numbers - Elites are specialists, given the best equipment and using the best weaponry. As for the Jackals - nobody's doubting their capability, its a matter of loyalty. When a soldier's willingness to follow orders is based on potential profit, you tend to not want them covering your back (or ships, as the case may be). -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
+:I think it's a matter of trust. Letting Grunts use Ghosts on the ground is one thing - letting them use highly advanced and capable spacecraft is another thing entirely. Remember, Grunts are given minimal training and fielded in mass numbers - Elites are specialists, given the best equipment and using the best weaponry. As for the Jackals - nobody's doubting their capability, its a matter of loyalty. When a soldier's willingness to follow orders is based on potential profit, you tend to not want them covering your back (or ships, as the case may be). -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:11, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
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 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcCRnw2xRM0 Check it] {{Unsigned|69.132.79.61}}
 :[[Pilotable Seraph|Already covered]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 09:44, 20 November 2010 (EST)
-==Halo Legends: The Package subtitles mistake?==
-I just finished watching ''The Package'' just a few minutes ago, and I did not see the subtitles mistake that say as Kelly says "Seraph formation!", but in the article, it says that the "subtitles mistakenly say "Syrup formation!"" as Kelly speaks, which I did not see. Of course, I was watching on my MacBook Pro laptop computer, which might mean it is different on a Windows PC computer, any other computer, or possibly some TV sets and DVD players. But all this does not answer my question: Where and how does this supposed "mistake" happen? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:39, 12 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:The mistake is made on the Blu-ray version of ''Legends''. Perhaps it isn't so on the DVD. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 15:57, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
-::I suppose you are correct about that. I hadn't even considered the Blu-Ray version. Of course, when I bought it, I bought it as a DVD. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 21:29, 29 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330
-:::Should we not mention this somewhere, that it appears on the Blu-Ray version but not the DVD version? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 14:40, 30 October 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-::::No, the DVD version has definitely has it.--[[User talk:Matt98|Matt98]] 17:18, 25 November 2012 (EST)
-:::::Not on my DVD version. But then again, it may be that my MacBook Pro may have something to do with it. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 19:11, 25 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
-==List of appearances==
-The article states that there are Seraphs in Halo 3. Are there really there? If so, can anyone make a screenshot? [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 06:05, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
-:They are seen in the beginning cutscene of the level ''The Ark'', as part of Truth's fleet. You can see a few on the left side of this screenshot. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 06:41, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
-::Ah, thanks. I guess, they are too small there, to be included in the article. [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 06:50, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
-The article states that there are Seraphs in Halo 5: Guardians. I know this to be true. If you look up during the Battle of Sunaion they can be seen warping into battle and flying past each other. Can anyone get a close-up image like the ones in the other games or at least a screenshot? I'm unable to do this myself at the moment. Thanks :). [[User:Primordial|Primordial]] ([[User talk:Primordial|talk]]) 09:50, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Fuel Rod Cannon Weapon? ==
-I dont know if anyone knew this, but the Seraph actually has a secondary fuel rod weapon in reach. Unless that is what the Plasma Charge is supposed to be, I think it should be mentioned. This link is the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxdEFyRMd8Q
-Yes, I know the AI never used it and you cant use it when you glitch to get the Seraph the legit way, but Bungie most likely programmed the fuel rod mechanic into the game with the intentions of creating space battles in multiplayer before time constraints forced them to cut it out (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/278095/early-halo-reach-had-multiplayer-space-battles/). Regardless, I think it still deserves to be mentioned. Even the space banshee has a fuel rod weapon labeled, so why not the seraph? --[[User talk:SilentGamer64|SilentGamer64]] 07:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
-:In Reach, the Seraph in player control is merely a Banshee, but with a different body. But seeing as the player is never meant to control a Seraph in Halo Reach, the fuel rod cannon is probably not canon. Might be an idea for a glitch page though ;) -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 10:22, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Split page? ==
-Now that we know there are two different models of Seraphs with at least slightly different specifications and performance, should we give each pattern their own page? Or at least a pattern-section where the differences between the two can be better-conveyed? [[Special:Contributions/Sev40|<font color="red">'''ERROR 343''': Requested database has been </font>]][[User:Sev|<font color="#00e6e6">'''''Sev'''''</font>]][[User talk:Sev|<font color="#ffcc00">'''ered'''</font>]] 07:24, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
-:Its actually on my to do list next week. That goes along with finishing the Ground vehicles making them organised.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 10:04, 20 May 2018 (EDT)