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The worst-case possibility is that the construct is a horrible misinterpretation of the nature of the [[quarantine shield]] around the [[San 'Shyuum home system]], though I want to trust 343i (or their artists) to understand their own works enough not to make mistake on this scale. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 05:08, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

We know that a lot of the early Covenant's technology came from several Shield World installations that they stumbled across, allowing the Prophets to reverse-engineer more technology not derived solely from the dreadnought. If it was anything like Trevalyan, then it probably had ships, vehicles and Huragok, which would have been a significant jump in immediate tech level. The cover may depict one of those.-- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 05:52, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

We know that a lot of the early Covenant's technology came from several Shield World installations that they stumbled across, allowing the Prophets to reverse-engineer more technology not derived solely from the dreadnought. If it was anything like Trevalyan, then it probably had ships, vehicles and Huragok, which would have been a significant jump in immediate tech level. The cover may depict one of those.-- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 05:52, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

:I'm convinced that the "planet" is a dilapidated Requiem-type shield world for the reasons mentioned above. I find it hard to buy into the idea that it's High Charity, though that theory is building up steam on the ''Waypoint'' forums. --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 11:56, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

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:The only John Shirley work I'd heard of until yesterday was ''BioShock: Rapture''. Simply put, the man seems to be the anti-Karen Traviss. When one author brags about doing minimal research and the other clearly invests a huge amount of time and effort into understanding the setting, there's no doubt who I'd rather have writing ''Halo'' novels. "I like to remain ''totally objective'' in my writing. Now who wants to hear me soapbox about a universe and characters I don't understand?" - Fake!Karen Traviss --[[User:Braidenvl|'''''Our vengeance is at hand.''''']] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|Talk to me.]]) 11:56, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

::You had me at "anti-Karen Traviss" :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 20:45, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

::You had me at "anti-Karen Traviss" :P -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 20:45, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

==Choice of subject matter==

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:[http://memegenerator.net/instance/51568928 Image is related].[[User:Sith Venator|Sith-venator Wavingstrider]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|Commlink]]) 13:25, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm very excited about seeing the origins of the Covenant. The Arbiter said there was honour in his Covenant once, and that there would be again - I'd love to see the Covenant before the machinations of the Prophets, intent on clinging to power, turned it into the monster it became. I always liked the idea of the Covenant starting out as a benevolent force, stewarding the Huragok, uplifting the Lekgolo, pacifying the Kig-Yar, saving the Unggoy from extinction. But by the start of the 26th century, it had slowly but surely entrenched itself as an expansionist colonial conqueror. The descent was slow, but inexorable, and the only solution was a purge via the Great Schism. And of course, showing the original Covenant gives us the model upon which the Arbiter would (presumably) be trying to rebuild his faction along the lines of. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 20:50, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm very excited about seeing the origins of the Covenant. The Arbiter said there was honour in his Covenant once, and that there would be again - I'd love to see the Covenant before the machinations of the Prophets, intent on clinging to power, turned it into the monster it became. I always liked the idea of the Covenant starting out as a benevolent force, stewarding the Huragok, uplifting the Lekgolo, pacifying the Kig-Yar, saving the Unggoy from extinction. But by the start of the 26th century, it had slowly but surely entrenched itself as an expansionist colonial conqueror. The descent was slow, but inexorable, and the only solution was a purge via the Great Schism. And of course, showing the original Covenant gives us the model upon which the Arbiter would (presumably) be trying to rebuild his faction along the lines of. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 20:50, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

I am hoping that we will see the San 'Shyuum-Sangheli War in maybe like 'Part One' or something, like in Halo: First Strike where we saw what happened after the end of Halo: The Fall of Reach, or maybe even like in Halo: Fall of Reach where the first few parts actually took place before the main story. That would be very, very cool. Also, can anyone else imagine a Prophet (San 'Shyuum) walking around fighting against Sangheli warriors? Yeesh, I guess there is a reason most of the battles in that war were Space Battles. Cheers, [[Special:Contributions/76.17.73.143|76.17.73.143]] 14:25, 29 June 2014 (EDT)!

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:Interesting to note that there's ''another'' reference to an unknown species - the ones who shot 'Crecka's ship to pieces, on the endges of what was then Sangheili space, clearly interstellar and powerful enough to damage a Sangheili starship. I don't know if it's tied to the ''apparent'' new species in Escalation, but I certainly hope it related to the strange ship that crashed on Alpha Halo. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 03:58, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

:Interesting to note that there's ''another'' reference to an unknown species - the ones who shot 'Crecka's ship to pieces, on the endges of what was then Sangheili space, clearly interstellar and powerful enough to damage a Sangheili starship. I don't know if it's tied to the ''apparent'' new species in Escalation, but I certainly hope it related to the strange ship that crashed on Alpha Halo. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 03:58, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

::Yeah, an unknown alien species shot at a Sanghelli ship in the System of Miasmic Giants which was at the far edge of Covenant space. I would hope we get to know who crashed on Alpha Halo and having them tie into this novel would be great. As for the Escalation reference its likely that they were a budding society and the Covenant was simply too large to deal with so they became a slave race. -- SamGall

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I also wonder if they're even going to revisit the fate of Janjur Qom. Since the Bestiarum there's been an implied aura of mystery to the planet and even the star going supernova is not confirmed (except in the ''Encyclopedia'', though I'd take anything from that book with a grain of salt). While ''Broken Circle'' mentions the star's possible instability, we never get a confirmation of it being destroyed. It's always possible the Prophets continued to raid the Stoics for their females—I doubt a group as small as the one Mken retrieved would be enough to maintain genetic diversity over several thousand years. And what became of the Luminary? I found myself wondering why was Mken's mission treated as a one-shot thing—couldn't the Covenant just send in another party to acquire it? --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 12:51, 20 November 2014 (EST)

:I almost wonder whether, with their new Sangheili footsoldiers at their disposal and the combined resources and territory that came with the merger, Janjur Qom was the first target of the Covenant's military conquest. We know that the Forerunners had the capacity to destroy a star, along with the planets that orbited it, and they ''do'' have a Forerunner dreadnought that's been stripped of its weapons by the start of the Covenant, those weapons had to go somewhere. The Prophets themselves may have destroyed their homeworld, when invasion didn't work. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[~~w:c:~~halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 21:04, 11 December 2014 (EST)

:I almost wonder whether, with their new Sangheili footsoldiers at their disposal and the combined resources and territory that came with the merger, Janjur Qom was the first target of the Covenant's military conquest. We know that the Forerunners had the capacity to destroy a star, along with the planets that orbited it, and they ''do'' have a Forerunner dreadnought that's been stripped of its weapons by the start of the Covenant, those weapons had to go somewhere. The Prophets themselves may have destroyed their homeworld, when invasion didn't work. -- [[User:Morhek|Qura 'Morhek]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|The Autocrat]] [[User talk:Specops306|of Morheka]] 21:04, 11 December 2014 (EST)

::I doubt that. The Reformist San'Shyuum must have known they were doomed in the long run as High Charity's population couldn't have been enough to sustain viable genetic diversity over another 3000+ years, technological developments notwithstanding. Janjur Qom would've been their only hope for long-term survival, though I can see they may have wanted to curtail further technological development on part of the Stoics. The raid in ''Broken Circle'' was only one tiny ship, not an invasion—if the Covenant wanted to take the planet, they could've easily done that at any time. I don't think the Stoics' Tier 4 technology could put up any meaningful resistance against a true conquest, and that's something along the lines of what I was thinking; the San'Shyuum could've kept bombing Janjur Qom back to the stone age time and time again and kept stealing healthy females to sustain their population. Grim, but it's something I could see them doing. At the very least it's likely they may have "saved" a large number of healthy specimens from the planet if they knew the star was about to blow. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 00:14, 12 December 2014 (EST)

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 The worst-case possibility is that the construct is a horrible misinterpretation of the nature of the [[quarantine shield]] around the [[San 'Shyuum home system]], though I want to trust 343i (or their artists) to understand their own works enough not to make mistake on this scale. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:08, 22 June 2014 (EDT)
-We know that a lot of the early Covenant's technology came from several Shield World installations that they stumbled across, allowing the Prophets to reverse-engineer more technology not derived solely from the dreadnought. If it was anything like Trevalyan, then it probably had ships, vehicles and Huragok, which would have been a significant jump in immediate tech level. The cover may depict one of those.-- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:52, 22 June 2014 (EDT)
+We know that a lot of the early Covenant's technology came from several Shield World installations that they stumbled across, allowing the Prophets to reverse-engineer more technology not derived solely from the dreadnought. If it was anything like Trevalyan, then it probably had ships, vehicles and Huragok, which would have been a significant jump in immediate tech level. The cover may depict one of those.-- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:52, 22 June 2014 (EDT)
 :I'm convinced that the "planet" is a dilapidated Requiem-type shield world for the reasons mentioned above. I find it hard to buy into the idea that it's High Charity, though that theory is building up steam on the ''Waypoint'' forums. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 11:56, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
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 :The only John Shirley work I'd heard of until yesterday was ''BioShock: Rapture''. Simply put, the man seems to be the anti-Karen Traviss. When one author brags about doing minimal research and the other clearly invests a huge amount of time and effort into understanding the setting, there's no doubt who I'd rather have writing ''Halo'' novels. "I like to remain ''totally objective'' in my writing. Now who wants to hear me soapbox about a universe and characters I don't understand?" - Fake!Karen Traviss --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 11:56, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
-::You had me at "anti-Karen Traviss" :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:45, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
+::You had me at "anti-Karen Traviss" :P -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:45, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
 ==Choice of subject matter==
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 :[http://memegenerator.net/instance/51568928 Image is related].[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]]  ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 13:25, 24 June 2014 (EDT)
-I'm very excited about seeing the origins of the Covenant. The Arbiter said there was honour in his Covenant once, and that there would be again - I'd love to see the Covenant before the machinations of the Prophets, intent on clinging to power, turned it into the monster it became. I always liked the idea of the Covenant starting out as a benevolent force, stewarding the Huragok, uplifting the Lekgolo, pacifying the Kig-Yar, saving the Unggoy from extinction. But by the start of the 26th century, it had slowly but surely entrenched itself as an expansionist colonial conqueror. The descent was slow, but inexorable, and the only solution was a purge via the Great Schism. And of course, showing the original Covenant gives us the model upon which the Arbiter would (presumably) be trying to rebuild his faction along the lines of. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:50, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
+I'm very excited about seeing the origins of the Covenant. The Arbiter said there was honour in his Covenant once, and that there would be again - I'd love to see the Covenant before the machinations of the Prophets, intent on clinging to power, turned it into the monster it became. I always liked the idea of the Covenant starting out as a benevolent force, stewarding the Huragok, uplifting the Lekgolo, pacifying the Kig-Yar, saving the Unggoy from extinction. But by the start of the 26th century, it had slowly but surely entrenched itself as an expansionist colonial conqueror. The descent was slow, but inexorable, and the only solution was a purge via the Great Schism. And of course, showing the original Covenant gives us the model upon which the Arbiter would (presumably) be trying to rebuild his faction along the lines of. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:50, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
 I am hoping that we will see the San 'Shyuum-Sangheli War in maybe like 'Part One' or something, like in Halo: First Strike where we saw what happened after the end of Halo: The Fall of Reach, or maybe even like in Halo: Fall of Reach where the first few parts actually took place before the main story. That would be very, very cool. Also, can anyone else imagine a Prophet (San 'Shyuum) walking around fighting against Sangheli warriors? Yeesh, I guess there is a reason most of the battles in that war were Space Battles. Cheers, [[Special:Contributions/76.17.73.143|76.17.73.143]] 14:25, 29 June 2014 (EDT)!
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-:Interesting to note that there's ''another'' reference to an unknown species - the ones who shot 'Crecka's ship to pieces, on the endges of what was then Sangheili space, clearly interstellar and powerful enough to damage a Sangheili starship. I don't know if it's tied to the ''apparent'' new species in Escalation, but I certainly hope it related to the strange ship that crashed on Alpha Halo. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:58, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
+:Interesting to note that there's ''another'' reference to an unknown species - the ones who shot 'Crecka's ship to pieces, on the endges of what was then Sangheili space, clearly interstellar and powerful enough to damage a Sangheili starship. I don't know if it's tied to the ''apparent'' new species in Escalation, but I certainly hope it related to the strange ship that crashed on Alpha Halo. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:58, 27 October 2014 (EDT)
 ::Yeah, an unknown alien species shot at a Sanghelli ship in the System of Miasmic Giants which was at the far edge of Covenant space. I would hope we get to know who crashed on Alpha Halo and having them tie into this novel would be great. As for the Escalation reference its likely that they were a budding society and the Covenant was simply too large to deal with so they became a slave race. -- SamGall
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 I also wonder if they're even going to revisit the fate of Janjur Qom. Since the Bestiarum there's been an implied aura of mystery to the planet and even the star going supernova is not confirmed (except in the ''Encyclopedia'', though I'd take anything from that book with a grain of salt). While ''Broken Circle'' mentions the star's possible instability, we never get a confirmation of it being destroyed. It's always possible the Prophets continued to raid the Stoics for their females—I doubt a group as small as the one Mken retrieved would be enough to maintain genetic diversity over several thousand years. And what became of the Luminary? I found myself wondering why was Mken's mission treated as a one-shot thing—couldn't the Covenant just send in another party to acquire it? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:51, 20 November 2014 (EST)
-:I almost wonder whether, with their new Sangheili footsoldiers at their disposal and the combined resources and territory that came with the merger, Janjur Qom was the first target of the Covenant's military conquest. We know that the Forerunners had the capacity to destroy a star, along with the planets that orbited it, and they ''do'' have a Forerunner dreadnought that's been stripped of its weapons by the start of the Covenant, those weapons had to go somewhere. The Prophets themselves may have destroyed their homeworld, when invasion didn't work. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:04, 11 December 2014 (EST)
+:I almost wonder whether, with their new Sangheili footsoldiers at their disposal and the combined resources and territory that came with the merger, Janjur Qom was the first target of the Covenant's military conquest. We know that the Forerunners had the capacity to destroy a star, along with the planets that orbited it, and they ''do'' have a Forerunner dreadnought that's been stripped of its weapons by the start of the Covenant, those weapons had to go somewhere. The Prophets themselves may have destroyed their homeworld, when invasion didn't work. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:04, 11 December 2014 (EST)
 ::I doubt that. The Reformist San'Shyuum must have known they were doomed in the long run as High Charity's population couldn't have been enough to sustain viable genetic diversity over another 3000+ years, technological developments notwithstanding. Janjur Qom would've been their only hope for long-term survival, though I can see they may have wanted to curtail further technological development on part of the Stoics. The raid in ''Broken Circle'' was only one tiny ship, not an invasion—if the Covenant wanted to take the planet, they could've easily done that at any time. I don't think the Stoics' Tier 4 technology could put up any meaningful resistance against a true conquest, and that's something along the lines of what I was thinking; the San'Shyuum could've kept bombing Janjur Qom back to the stone age time and time again and kept stealing healthy females to sustain their population. Grim, but it's something I could see them doing. At the very least it's likely they may have "saved" a large number of healthy specimens from the planet if they knew the star was about to blow. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:14, 12 December 2014 (EST)