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:::Honestly, my advice to them would be to stay as far from Spartans as you could, and expand on the "regulars". ODST is still my favourite story for that reason - and the fact that comparing the ODSTs with how they otherwise stack up against Spartans, it makes the Spartans feel all the more legendary. Portraying Spartans as "relatable" undermines the point of them. I'm fairly sure non-Spartan servicemen and servicewomen must get at least some kind of augmentations - standardizing people from a range of planetary conditions and all that. Plus, I find it hard to believe that at least some of the medical advances made in the original ORION Project, its 25th century reboot, and S-II and III didn't filter down in a safer form to less expensive warfighters. You can refer to Spartans as mythical figures, play with how people react - awe, derision, skepticism, etc. Maybe even have one or two show up to overawe the characters and audience, or in a twist, reveal that a character we'd dismissed as anything special was an undercover or former Spartan the whole time. If I was going to use an existing show as a model, I would use Stargate - focus it on a small expeditionary team, probably ONI, working in a complex political environment to destabilize the enemy. Hell, give us some awesome Jackal collaborators! Brute mercs! Elite zealots! Grunt rebellions! Innies running guns back and forth! Naval battles! [[Wikipedia:Ronon Dex|Ronon]]!
:::Honestly, my advice to them would be to stay as far from Spartans as you could, and expand on the "regulars". ODST is still my favourite story for that reason - and the fact that comparing the ODSTs with how they otherwise stack up against Spartans, it makes the Spartans feel all the more legendary. Portraying Spartans as "relatable" undermines the point of them. I'm fairly sure non-Spartan servicemen and servicewomen must get at least some kind of augmentations - standardizing people from a range of planetary conditions and all that. Plus, I find it hard to believe that at least some of the medical advances made in the original ORION Project, its 25th century reboot, and S-II and III didn't filter down in a safer form to less expensive warfighters. You can refer to Spartans as mythical figures, play with how people react - awe, derision, skepticism, etc. Maybe even have one or two show up to overawe the characters and audience, or in a twist, reveal that a character we'd dismissed as anything special was an undercover or former Spartan the whole time. If I was going to use an existing show as a model, I would use Stargate - focus it on a small expeditionary team, probably ONI, working in a complex political environment to destabilize the enemy. Hell, give us some awesome Jackal collaborators! Brute mercs! Elite zealots! Grunt rebellions! Innies running guns back and forth! Naval battles! [[Wikipedia:Ronon Dex|Ronon]]!


:::I miss Stargate. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:38, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
:::I miss Stargate. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:38, 4 April 2014 (EDT)


::::I agree on all counts. "Humanizing" Spartans, in the sense of making them act like ordinary humans, undermines the Spartans (at least the IIs and IIIs); this is something most writers apart from Nylund haven't seemed to get. It's also why I don't particularly like the premise of the S-IV program; I can see why they called them Spartans, for both in-universe and real-world reasons, but I'm still unsure whether 343 is trying to portray them as worthy successors to the IIs and IIIs, or merely glorified ODSTs riding on the fame of their predecessors. I'd definitely like to see more exploration of the augmentations normal troops get and UNSC medical tech in general. So far we've had the occasional hint at major advances but most of the time "normal" humans in the Haloverse are depicted as indistinguishable from the baseline. And for once, it'd be great if they built stories on something else than the standard Halo story mold involving the Forerunner MacGuffin of the week which must be destroyed/deactivated/stolen to prevent the Covenant from using it. Not saying they should never use it again, but it's gotten a little stale over the years. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:58, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
::::I agree on all counts. "Humanizing" Spartans, in the sense of making them act like ordinary humans, undermines the Spartans (at least the IIs and IIIs); this is something most writers apart from Nylund haven't seemed to get. It's also why I don't particularly like the premise of the S-IV program; I can see why they called them Spartans, for both in-universe and real-world reasons, but I'm still unsure whether 343 is trying to portray them as worthy successors to the IIs and IIIs, or merely glorified ODSTs riding on the fame of their predecessors. I'd definitely like to see more exploration of the augmentations normal troops get and UNSC medical tech in general. So far we've had the occasional hint at major advances but most of the time "normal" humans in the Haloverse are depicted as indistinguishable from the baseline. And for once, it'd be great if they built stories on something else than the standard Halo story mold involving the Forerunner MacGuffin of the week which must be destroyed/deactivated/stolen to prevent the Covenant from using it. Not saying they should never use it again, but it's gotten a little stale over the years. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:58, 4 April 2014 (EDT)


:::::Agreed. With the both the Spartans and the Forerunners, the word that springs to mind is "saturation". Too much exposure removes that mystique that made us fall in love with the characters or concepts in the first place. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:16, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
:::::Agreed. With the both the Spartans and the Forerunners, the word that springs to mind is "saturation". Too much exposure removes that mystique that made us fall in love with the characters or concepts in the first place. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:16, 4 April 2014 (EDT)


::::::The point about saturation also applies to the ''Infinity'' and its crew. I get how much 343i must love their megaship and the people onboard, but I don't think it was the right decision to basically wipe the slate clean of everything and everyone that used to come before and thrust their new cast to the center stage. I mean, we do see Halsey and Hood but so far, Blue Team and the Spartan-IIIs are virtually swept under the rug after their underwhelming reintroduction in ''Glasslands'' (would like to see Buck and co. return too). Still, it seems 343i has at least started to get the memo, given the reintroduction of the Arbiter in ''Escalation'' (despite the fact he barely does anything but tag along while the ''Infinity'' crew remain as the stars of the show) and their stated future plans for the character. What makes this worse is the fact that 343's characters are often the unfortunate victims of bad writing; the best example is none other than the ''"fan favorite"'' <s>Renegade Shepard expy</s> Palmer. She has the potential to be a decent character but it's as if the writers are trying their damnedest to outweigh her "good" traits (which are most prominently showcased in the hagiographical ''Spartan Assault'') with obnoxious ones (like her bully mindset and paranoia toward her intellectual superiors, most obviously Halsey), which are nonetheless portrayed by the narrative as if not admirable, at least acceptable. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:28, 4 April 2014 (EDT)
::::::The point about saturation also applies to the ''Infinity'' and its crew. I get how much 343i must love their megaship and the people onboard, but I don't think it was the right decision to basically wipe the slate clean of everything and everyone that used to come before and thrust their new cast to the center stage. I mean, we do see Halsey and Hood but so far, Blue Team and the Spartan-IIIs are virtually swept under the rug after their underwhelming reintroduction in ''Glasslands'' (would like to see Buck and co. return too). Still, it seems 343i has at least started to get the memo, given the reintroduction of the Arbiter in ''Escalation'' (despite the fact he barely does anything but tag along while the ''Infinity'' crew remain as the stars of the show) and their stated future plans for the character. What makes this worse is the fact that 343's characters are often the unfortunate victims of bad writing; the best example is none other than the ''"fan favorite"'' <s>Renegade Shepard expy</s> Palmer. She has the potential to be a decent character but it's as if the writers are trying their damnedest to outweigh her "good" traits (which are most prominently showcased in the hagiographical ''Spartan Assault'') with obnoxious ones (like her bully mindset and paranoia toward her intellectual superiors, most obviously Halsey), which are nonetheless portrayed by the narrative as if not admirable, at least acceptable. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:28, 4 April 2014 (EDT)