Talk:List of inconsistencies in the Halo series

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So it's been confirmed that it's the Spirit of Fire. In the first issue, it was said that the ship they found had been missing for thirty years. The Spirit went missing in 2531. This comic supposedly takes place in 2558. Super confused.Maginot Sphere (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2014 (EST)

The summary probably is meant to mean "nearly thirty years", as opposed to "thirty years." Anyways, I reverted your Escalation edit, as Issue 6's summary confirms the lost ship to be the Spirit of Fire.--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs} 13:37, 3 March 2014 (EST)

Mark IV in Prologue

Please discuss it here and keep it civil.— subtank 19:08, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Josh Holmes has stated the armor isn't canon quite a few times. Some may argue that the Halo 4 EVU contradicts that but that doesn't matter, the word of a developer trumps that of extra media every time.

[1][2]- User:JJAB91

In my opinion both are "the word of a developer". 343I put together the H4:EVG and now Josh Holmes gave you two explanations for the inconsistency. One was from a real-world perspective. The other, he simply says it's not canon. Nonetheless, its an inconsistency that shouldn't be disregarded. If 343I didn't include that explanation in the guide than there'd be no reason to point out the armor discrepancy (at least after the twitter post). Also I noticed he didn't say anything about what was said in the EVG. This situation is similar to how Frank O Connor said the ONI PRO-49776 isn't a prowler, yet 343I created the Sahara-class heavy prowler which retains the exact same design. It raises more questions than answers.--Killamin7 [Comm|Files] 21:06, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

To be blunt, this isn't a debate over whether the armor's appearance in the cutscene is canonical. The problem is that this page is supposed to list all inconsistencies in the series. Josh Holmes' statement very well may supersede the "Mark IV variant" explanation in the hierarchy of canon, but the fact is that Source A gives one explanation for the issue while Source B takes a different approach. That being said, the whole story (meaning both the EVG's and Holmes' accounts) will be represented by this article.--Our vengeance is at hand. (Talk to me.) 22:05, 7 June 2014 (EDT)

Well then may I make an edit request? I request this "However, Halo 4: The Essential Visual Guide establishes that John's suit's superficial upgrades are based on a variant of the Mark IV, retroactively indicating that the suits seen in the Prologue are in fact this particular variant" be slightly changed to this "However, Halo 4: The Essential Visual Guide establishes that John's suit's superficial upgrades are based on a variant of the Mark IV, possibly indicating that the suits seen in the Prologue are in fact this particular variant" As while the EVU states that John's custom MKVI is based on an earlier line of MKIV it is never directly stated that what we see in Halo 4's prologue is that MKIV, so I request this minor change as since it is never directly stated it leaves it open for interpretation and later changes, as well as pleasing both sides and ending this edit war. - User:JJAB91

I know the page is already locked, but I concur with Braidenvl, my problem wasn't the authority of Josh Holmes' statement, it was that the other explanation was removed. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 03:03, 8 June 2014 (EDT)

I'm with Braidenvl and Morhek - the issue here was the removal of the EVG's explanation, not what Holmes tweeted. Like Killamin7, I'd also to question the logic of deferring to direct developer statements over likewise official media: over the years we've had plenty of more or less silly "explanations" to appease the fans - that the M7 SMG was still "in the factory" during Reach or that the Skirmishers were all wiped out during the same game (oh yes no, the Kilo-Five Trilogy cannot be canon now!). Or Frankie's aforementioned prowler comment. Personally, I would prefer if Holmes' statement superseded the EVG's explanation since I'm not a fan of the utter lack of a logical visual continuity in the MJOLNIR series' development, but it doesn't justify removing perfectly valid information. I would have no problem with changing the "retroactively" to "possibly", though I don't see the point - the intention of the EVG's statement was crystal clear. I mean, consider a scenario where the EVG isn't referring to the Prologue suits: that there is a canonical Mark IV variant identical to the one in Prologue, but the armor in Prologue isn't that variant but is instead wholly non-canonical. In that case, what was the point of the EVG's claim? To establish there is in fact a Mark IV variant identical to the Chief's Halo 4 suit that we never see, because the only place where showing said armor would've made sense isn't canon? --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 08:40, 8 June 2014 (EDT)