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Who do you think is the better soldier, and why? I personally am leaning more towards 312. I mean they're pretty evenly balanced as far as their abilities go, of course John-117 outlived the Fall of Reach, of course only because he wasn't on the ground, but if you think about it Noble Six racked up a whopper of a body count during the month or so he participated in the Battle of Reach, which took John his entire career. I think, if Six had been given the opportunity, he could've outshined both Blue Team and Noble Team, and probably have ended up as John-117's partner in a lot of missions, but ultimately I think Noble Six achieved more than Master Chief in a shorter amount of time. I mean, of course John-117 did more, because he was alive to do so, but I ultimately believe, being as young as he was, Noble Six was a very exceptional SPARTAN, probably the best out of all of the SPARTAN programs combined, whereas John-117 was the best of the SPARTAN-II Program, or second-best when including Frederic-104 and probably tied for second-best with Kurt-051, but I could see Noble Six taking on John-117, Fred, and Kurt all at once and holding his own. He may not have their experience but he definitely outperforms them in close combat, Fred would arguably be the one he has the most issue with in close combat, I don't remember John being exceptional in close melee-style combat like Fred. --Kluutak 15:44, 16 February 2012 (EST)

There is no possible way SPARTAN-B312 killed more Covenant in one month than John-117 killed in 28 years of fighting. It's logically impossible. I feel though John-117 is better because he saved humanity from many threats such as Halo, The Flood, the Covenant, etc., whereas B-312 only sacrificed his life during the Fall of Reach and is known to have only participated in one engagement against the Covenant.--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs}

Whoa whoa whoa there! Are we forgetting Long Night of Solace? That CCS-class Battlecruiser he destroyed? What about the last level Lone Wolf where there is an unlimited amount of infantry that can be fought? Not to mention he has single-handedly made entire militia groups "disappear". Having broken entire insurrectionist organizations makes up for a massive body count in and of itself. Noble Six was regarded more as a hyper-lethal vector, than a Soldier. I don't recall Master Chief or any of the other SPARTAN-IIs being considered hyper-lethal. The assertion that Fall of Reach was his only engagement with the Covenant is pure absurdity considering how well he deals with them in combat, not to mention how expertly he is able to use Covenant weaponry in campaign. In my personal opinion the only other UNSC individual to compare to Noble Six is Preston Cole and Danforth Whitcomb to an extent. I'd say that Cole, Whitcomb, and Six are the "big three" of the UNSC as far as massive body counts go. --Kluutak 17:25, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Except canonically the infantry at the end of the game is not unlimited because Six eventually dies. Plus Six was only active since the 2540's. Also are you forgetting the Unyielding Hierophant and the estimated 500 ship fleet that was nearly wiped out by John-117 and his team in First Strike? Plus it's more than possible that John destroyed many other Covenant ships during his time of service. In 28 years of warfare John is going to have a way higher body count than anyone who has been in service for 10 years or less. Why are you using hyper-lethal as an example when I recall that you yourself removed that quote from a page because you thought it was non-canon?--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs}