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==Dates==
Should dates on articles have the rd, th, nd, and st, or should we not do that on articles? [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 21:47, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:I don't think so, I don't do it at least. Wikipedia doesn't do it either. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 21:51, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

::I have noticed a few pages with it, but I do not know if there is a certain occasion one would use it. Oops forgot to sign my comment. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 23:52, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:::[http://data.grammarbook.com/blog/numbers/writing-dates-and-times/ Here's a guide]. So basically, we don't use it at all. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 23:55, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
::::Per NightHammer, dates don't need those suffixes. Please remove them anytime you see them in an article.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 14:19, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

== Navigation section ==

Hey everyone, I feel like it may be time to update the Main Page navigation, as it's been the same now for a few years. I have two working draft ideas [[User:Spartacus/Sandbox|here]]. Do note the images on layout <nowiki>#</nowiki>2 are merely placeholders for now. Any feedback would be most appreciated, thanks.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 18:44, 27 February 2017 (EST)

:Definitely number one [[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 19:03, 27 February 2017 (EST)Japeth555

::Deffo number 1.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 19:24, 27 February 2017 (EST)

::: #1 [[User:Lord Susto|<span style="color:orange">Lord Susto</span>]] 21:11, 27 February 2017 (EST)

::::Per above. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 23:18, 27 February 2017 (EST)

:''(reset indent)'' Agree with everyone else; the icons in the second version just take up space on the page for no real reason. The quotes under each section in #1 (e.g. "Explore the enigmatic universe!") are a bit cheesy, though that's just a minor thing. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2017 (EST)
::I left those quotes on there by mistake and just forgot to remove them. Just like everyone else, my preference is for the first format, more because it's less images to manage.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 23:49, 27 February 2017 (EST)

==Menu page suggestions==
I have a few notes that I thought of that should be relatively easy to make or change. All thanks to Spartacus's idea to change the navi bar.

1. Could we perhaps move the "Did You Know?" to the bottom moving up the "Article Improvement Drive". Makes the improvement area more clear so they ye know get done.

2. Small idea, borrowing it off Halo Nation of all places, a Monthly poll. Seems harmless enough.

3. Another idea, a featured image? Might be cool to start that. I mean we have featured everything else, might be cool to have that.

4. Could we perhaps lower the "Welcome back, Reclaimer!" user count from 16 to 12? 

5. We need more Featured stuff to be nominated, that is something we can all work on fairly easy enough.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 19:24, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:1) I'd like to do that because of it's importance. 2) I don't know whether or not we have the code to do that. 3) A featured image is something I've wanted to for quite a while but have never gotten around to it. It would certainly be a nice addition. 4) That's fine with me. 5) Yeah, it just needs more promotion which is more or less up to the administration team. Thank you for the suggestions!--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup>  22:38, 27 February 2017 (EST)

:As for your fifth point, I think we shouldn't just nominate articles because we need more featured articles. It should be based on articles that are legitimately worthy of it. I've been kinda pedantic with that lately and there is a handful of articles currently "featured" that I think could still use some work (including several I've nominated).

:I've considered the idea of having a featured content system similar to Wookieepedia, with "comprehensive" (for smaller articles under 250 words) and "good" articles (articles with a word count between comprehensive and featured articles, as opposed to Wikipedia's "good" articles which are simply lower in quality than featured articles). However, I feel like it would be difficult to maintain. And where do we draw the line for articles that can be considered "comprehensive" and articles that contain everything about a subject but are literally just one sentence and hard to consider "featured" worthy (in my opinion, [[Minister (planet)|Minister]] is a good example of a comprehensive article here). --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 23:18, 27 February 2017 (EST)

::The "comprehensive" articles are definitely an idea worth considering. In general, different kinds of projects like this are great as long as they keep getting updated - it's good to keep in mind that Halopedia used to have all sorts of community activities in its heyday (like Halopedian of the Month, etc.) which have since gotten discontinued due to a lack of activity. Then again, our user base seems to have rebuilt itself somewhat after the dip that followed the domain change, so it may be worth a shot to try these kinds of things again. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:::I wouldn't be opposed to any of that. In hindsight, killing Halopedian of the Month was an idea I now regret, as it was a way to reward users making outstanding contributions. I wouldn't mind trying to bring that back as long as it gets activity and is updated.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup>  11:32, 28 February 2017 (EST)

::::I wouldn't mind bringing it back. I think the main issue is that there is probably only 12ish active users here, so it may end up just cycling between regulars. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 12:08, 28 February 2017 (EST)

(indent reset) *Now drum roll* I propose we bring back Halopedia Twitter and Facebook(alongside making Discord our main chat area), get more people to start to come here with the power of '''!!SOCIAL MEDIA!!'''. I mean the bigger presence we have, the more of a chance we get more people to come here. 

But(and this is a huge BUT), we have to start getting content that is "featured" so said Twitter, and Facebook has some base content to mention. Gets us something to drag people in and hopefully gets us a few new editors. And after awhile, we can start doing more with the Twitter and facebook, like "TodayinHalo", and competitions(with maybe prizes if we are able).-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 13:25, 28 February 2017 (EST)

:Absolutely, as long as there's someone willing to handle those social media accounts and keep them up to date. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 00:30, 1 March 2017 (EST)
::In order for it to work we'd need multiple users with access to these social media pages. I was given control of Halopedia's Facebook page about a year ago by Nicmavr. I try my best to update it regularly but it's too big of a task for just me to handle, so if anyone is interested in helping out, drop me a message here or on Discord and we can discuss it.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup>  11:52, 1 March 2017 (EST)

In no particular relation to the above, except for the OP, I'm not sure the "Meet other Halo fans" widget is all that necessary or useful; I like that we have something to welcome users back, but how many people actually ever use the randomized user links? We could maybe keep, IDK, one or two rows of those if need be and maybe add something more generally useful to the template like info on ongoing projects, etc. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 12:31, 1 March 2017 (EST)
:Agreed, I'd rather just remove it completely given we already have a [[Halopedia:Halopedians|page]] better suited for that.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup>  12:39, 1 March 2017 (EST)

::While waiting for a decision from the administration, I've linked the Halopedian project page to the Meet other Halo fans widget as a temporary solution.
::As for the above suggestions, please be informed that #1 and #4 has been taken care of. As for #2, we can bring back the montly poll. I believe this is still accessible in the wiki tools. For #3, we can do a featured image if we can do it along the lines of how Wikipedia does theirs (e.g. with good descriptions and proper attributions/credits/sourcing). I share the same opinion as Nighthammer in relation to #5. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:10, 1 March 2017 (EST)

==Book Chapter vs Page numbers==
I have a huge thing I wanna suggest. But its one of those things that really does need to be discussed cause its started to become a problem of recent years. That problem is the rising popularity in Digital media. That even some Halo Books start off as Digital media.

Now why is this a problem you ask. Well it causes hell on the whole system we have where we say the Book name, then say the page it is on. As numerous formats might have some chapters being on radically different pages. 

Now I propose this possible method to change how we source a book. Throwing out the old method of page numbers on their own. We say the Book/Novella name as normal, but now we say the chapter instead. This ensures no matter what users can still find content if they wish. And in brackets we put the format used and the page in that format the item was found on.

For example if I was wanting to source a SMAC in Halo the fall of reach 2001 paperback edition. I would put the following down.

'''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]''' ''-Chapter 33 (Physical paperback - Page 256'')

Like I did start to notice some folks were going though our sources and going, "I cant find it". Meaning something needs to be done.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 10:48, 2 March 2017 (EST)

:I see what you mean, and I think the idea is splendid. Except I think we should tweak it just a little bit; After noting the chapter, a small excerpt where the relevant information is should be quoted as to save those who do not have the book - or those who would rather not read an entire chapter to read the sentence they are looking for - the time of trying to find a small part in a sometimes very large chapter. [[File:Eld-Alternate.png|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117>Execute long hold for reactivation.</span>]] [[File:Hand of God.png|6px|stick]] [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF</span>]]'''</sup> 11:00, 2 March 2017 (EST)

::I believe there was some discussion about this a while back and I agree. The chapter thing would definitely be useful for more reasons than one, and we've already been identifying the early novel reissues and Google Play editions in sources for some time. Labeling every edition is just the logical next step from that. To avoid radically changing to our existing format, however, I'd make the new one something like the following:

::'''Halo: The Fall of Reach''', Chapter 15, ''page 77'' (2001 paperback); ''page 113'' (2010 paperback); ''page 4'' (Google Play)

::Basically, letting people add different formats based on their ability and interest. In practice, most sources would probably include just one. As for Arcmind's suggestion, quotes could be added after the page numbers like we've already been doing in some cases (see [[Banished#Sources]] for an example). --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 11:04, 2 March 2017 (EST)

:::That's another great idea, but then you have some people who might not have access to all of the various versions of the book. I mean some might and I am sure there are man fans who will, but then the wiki would have some sourced completely and other would not, thereby causing a ripple in our consistency. It might work for most stuff since we all probably have it, but would it prove reliable in all situations? [[File:Eld-Alternate.png|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117>Execute long hold for reactivation.</span>]] [[File:Hand of God.png|6px|stick]] [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF</span>]]'''</sup> 11:08, 2 March 2017 (EST)

::::I'm afraid it's just a reality we won't be able to consistently list every edition in our sources, but I'd say listing one or two is still better than having no page numbers at all, especially with specific information like measurements. Adding the chapter number (and ideally a quote) will at least point people in the right direction, while the pages (while not useful to everyone) are a definite plus. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 12:10, 2 March 2017 (EST)

::::I understand. However in that case we should at least the pick the two most common versions that we should always use for our sources; a hard back - if possible - and a paperback version. That way we get the two most common types and the more exclusive editions will be left for folks to looks through. That should at least preserve a level of consistency in our sourcing an make things easier on us. [[File:Eld-Alternate.png|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117>Execute long hold for reactivation.</span>]] [[File:Hand of God.png|6px|stick]] [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF</span>]]'''</sup> 12:39, 2 March 2017 (EST)

:::::That should be preferred, but at the same time, not everyone can be expected to have access to even those two types of editions. I, for example, have only been buying the Google Play ebook versions since ''New Blood'' as they're more handy in most ways. So in practice most of our sources will still likely end up having only one source for page numbers, though listing the chapter number (and preferably quote in the case of specific information) will still improve things a lot compared to the current situation. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 13:25, 2 March 2017 (EST)

::::::That sounds reasonable. Also, if you have ebooks, you would not happen to have the art of halo 3 would you? I ask because we we're looking for an image of the UNSC craft carrier but currently images for it are near non-existent and those that do are of poor quality. [[File:Eld-Alternate.png|20px|stick|link=]][[User:Arcmind|<span style="color: #b30000;" title="">'''Arcmind'''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117>Execute long hold for reactivation.</span>]] [[File:Hand of God.png|6px|stick]] [[Special:Contributions/Arcmind|<span style="color:#EAC117">AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF</span>]]'''</sup> 15:57, 2 March 2017 (EST)

:::::::Unfortunately I don't have ''The Art of Halo 3'' in any form. That book has been notoriously hard to come by for some years now, and I don't think a digital edition (or a reasonable-quality scan) exists. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:21, 3 March 2017 (EST)

== Dates in community news ==

The release date for Halo: Rise of Atriox Issue 1 needs to be changed from Aug 2 to Aug 30.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 20:25, 3 August 2017 (EDT)d9328

== New arcade game called Halo team raven ==

I have never been good at doing articles I do small minor changes but never big ones but there is a new arcade game set in the first halo called team raven and it tells the story from there point of view.  Hopefully we can get a full review of its weapons and other content in the near future {{Unsigned|Spartan Matt}}

== change article path ==

please can the article path be changed from <code>/$1</code> to <code>/wiki/$1</code>? 

the /wiki/$1 article path is better than this currently used.--[[user:PSL600|Psl600]] 14:35, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

:Why is it better? I'd like to know a reason behind why its better to be honest?-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 14:52, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
:: it i better because to know that it is the wiki, otherwise, i think it is non-wiki page, and if we still have <code>/$1</code> article path, typing <code>/wiki/$1</code> (example: http://www.halopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page)  will result landing on the "Wiki/Main_Page" and I want to land on "Main Page" without the "Wiki/" prefix. [[user:PSL600|Psl600]] 12:24, 4 September 2018 (EDT)

== Fan content ==
I think there should be an article about Halo FAN CONTENT! I would do this, but I am INEXPERIENCED at making articles.{{Unsigned|Cheatcodeman}}
:I'd recommend you take a look at our [[Halopedia:Notability_policy#Fan_content|existing guidelines]] on fanworks. We do allow articles on a very small number of fan works (such as [[Red vs. Blue]]) that are of substantial scale and notability within the franchise. However, due to the sheer amount of fan content out there, we typically very rarely allow for new fan project articles to be created (and as of recent, we've been re-evaluating which ones to keep or remove). I'd recommend checking out [https://halofanon.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page Halo Fanon] for more in the realm of fan content.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 16:32, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::What about fan Games? Are those Fine? --[[User:Cheatcodeman|Cheatcodeman]] ([[User talk:Cheatcodeman|talk]]) 16:37, May 27, 2021 (EDT)Cheatcodeman
:::Same deal - only rarely, if they can be proven to be of substantial scale within their space, and have been recognised by multiple news outlets (IE articles on sites such as PC Gamer, Kotaku, Polygon etc) or 343 themselves. We have pages dedicated to some mod projects such as OPTRE and SoTP that have recieved official recognition from 343 themselves, and have extensive media coverage outside of that. In the case of your game (which I would assume is what this is about), it would unfortunately not fall under these guidelines. [[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 16:43, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::Okay. Just making sure.;) didn't want to accidentally make an article about something that wasn't supposed to be there. --[[User:Cheatcodeman|Cheatcodeman]] ([[User talk:Cheatcodeman|talk]]) 16:57, May 27, 2021 (EDT)Cheatcodeman
:::::No worries, thanks for checking first. I'd also highly recommend joining the Discord server, as we have a pretty active userbase there too (link in the navigation bar on the left) [[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 16:58, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

== RvB references ==

I have looked TWICE, and I found nothing. Could I (or someone else, LOL) create an article on references to RvB in Halo? --Da BOI OF DA YEAAARR CHEATCODEMAN 19:16, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:There is a section under the Red vs. Blue article [[Red_vs._Blue#Homage_from_the_Halo_series|here]]. <span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:JackVibe|<span style="color:#000;">Jack</span>]][[User talk:JackVibe|<span style="color:#888;">Vibe</span>]]'''</span> 05:58, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

== I need a favor ==

I need some pictures/screenshots of the Halo: Reach armor permutations, at [https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/540909659/ this] angle.

Must be done ASAP. I only need the armor in sets, all but the helmets.
If someone could do that, I be thankful! Every picture will be used with credit. --Da BOI OF DA YEAAARR CHEATCODEMAN 20:12, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

:Just a heads up that this area isnt for requests like this. It is for discussions on the wiki as a whole. It may be better to request help on more public spaces.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 20:42, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

::What would you recommend? --Da BOI OF DA YEAAARR CHEATCODEMAN 12:37, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
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 ::::Okay. Just making sure.;) didn't want to accidentally make an article about something that wasn't supposed to be there. --[[User:Cheatcodeman|Cheatcodeman]] ([[User talk:Cheatcodeman|talk]]) 16:57, May 27, 2021 (EDT)Cheatcodeman
 :::::No worries, thanks for checking first. I'd also highly recommend joining the Discord server, as we have a pretty active userbase there too (link in the navigation bar on the left) [[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 16:58, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
-There is an entire wiki for fan content. If you are talking about a display of works, such as Red vs Blue, there is a section on the Main page about it. The fan wiki is Halo Fanon. {{Unsigned|Sangheili4657}}
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 ::What would you recommend? --Da BOI OF DA YEAAARR CHEATCODEMAN 12:37, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
-== Missing feature ==
-Halopedia has a missing feature that Wikipedia has, and that's the '''protected edit request'''. It posts something on the talk page like [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki talk:Anoneditwarning#Protected edit request on 8 September 2021|this]]. And when it's done, the person that did it would reply with {{Tem|Done}}. And when the request is posted, the section says "Protected edit request on example date". Please use {{Tem|Support}} if you think it's a good idea, and {{Tem|Oppose}} if you think it's a bad idea for whatever reason. [[User:EthanGaming117|EthanGaming7640]] ([[User talk:EthanGaming117|talk]]) 13:57, September 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:Yea please dont put this stuff to a vote off the gate. We on the staff try to investigate stuff before we reach that stage. Assuming we dont just push it at that point.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 17:09, September 8, 2021 (EDT)
-== How do I create an article / page. ==
-I cannot find any information or way to create a page. Help.