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Can somone add the info that was given from the video released that had jen taylor commentating about the warthog with the model in forza 4 from halofest? [[Special:Contributions/69.132.69.87|69.132.69.87]] 15:15, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
Can somone add the info that was given from the video released that had jen taylor commentating about the warthog with the model in forza 4 from halofest? [[Special:Contributions/69.132.69.87|69.132.69.87]] 15:15, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


:It'd be really informative if someone did, however, I'm not sure on the canon status of the information given.--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 07:00, 1 September 2011 (EDT)
:It'd be really informative if someone did, however, I'm not sure on the canon status of the information given.--[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]] 07:00, 1 September 2011 (EDT)


I'm pretty sure that information's canon. After all, why include such detail about its mechanics and mileage if it's not intended to be truthful? So if anyone has the game, or a recorded video of the narration, they can add it. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:06, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that information's canon. After all, why include such detail about its mechanics and mileage if it's not intended to be truthful? So if anyone has the game, or a recorded video of the narration, they can add it. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:06, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
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should we merge the LRV and FAV pages cause unless theres unarmoued version minus the civlian hog butthead4
should we merge the LRV and FAV pages cause unless theres unarmoued version minus the civlian hog butthead4
:No.--'''''<span style="color:green">Commander</span>''''' '''''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:green">Spartacus</span>]]''''' (''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:orange">Tenth Roman</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:orange">Battalion</span>]]'') 23:58, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:No.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Commander</span>]]''''' '''''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:green">Spartacus</span>]]''''' (''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:orange">Tenth Roman</span>]]'' ''[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:orange">Battalion</span>]]'') 23:58, 13 December 2011 (EST)
==Halo Wars Warthog==
==Halo Wars Warthog==
Might the base warthog in Halo Wars, which lacks a turret, be the base model (i.e. FAV)? Currently, the main image is that of the M12 LRV. Should, therefore, the image be changed to that of the Halo Wars 'Hog (or a [[turretless vehicle glitch|glitched]] warthog from Halo 3 - although this of course would be non-canon)? Having a flat-beded configuration as the base model would make sense, as suplies, gear, and such could be stowed in the back, and it could easily be reconfigured into a LRV, etc. [[User talk:DefeatingLine|DefeatingLine]] 17:05, 6 January 2012 (EST)
Might the base warthog in Halo Wars, which lacks a turret, be the base model (i.e. FAV)? Currently, the main image is that of the M12 LRV. Should, therefore, the image be changed to that of the Halo Wars 'Hog (or a [[turretless vehicle glitch|glitched]] warthog from Halo 3 - although this of course would be non-canon)? Having a flat-beded configuration as the base model would make sense, as suplies, gear, and such could be stowed in the back, and it could easily be reconfigured into a LRV, etc. [[User talk:DefeatingLine|DefeatingLine]] 17:05, 6 January 2012 (EST)
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Alright; I had wished to avoid confusion that way. [[User talk:DefeatingLine|DefeatingLine]] 19:12, 6 January 2012 (EST)
Alright; I had wished to avoid confusion that way. [[User talk:DefeatingLine|DefeatingLine]] 19:12, 6 January 2012 (EST)
:The image is fine. No need to change.-- [[User:Spartacus|<span style="Color:black; font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 130%">Commander Spartacus</span>]] ~ '''''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ŤДŁĶ</span>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ĈʘŃŤṜǏΒŨŤǏʘŃŞ</span>]] ~ [[Special:EmailUser/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ĚṂДǏŁ</span>]]''''' 19:17, 6 January 2012 (EST)
:The image is fine. No need to change.--[[File:Pipboy300.jpg|20px]] [[User:Spartacus|<span style="Color:black; font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 130%">Commander Spartacus</span>]] ~ '''''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ŤДŁĶ</span>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ĈʘŃŤṜǏΒŨŤǏʘŃŞ</span>]] ~ [[Special:EmailUser/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">ĚṂДǏŁ</span>]]''''' 19:17, 6 January 2012 (EST)
::About one point raised; since there's no visible difference from the base Warthog seen in Halo Wars and the Halo 3 glitched one, would the glitched one be considered canon?[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 19:49, 6 January 2012 (EST)
::About one point raised; since there's no visible difference from the base Warthog seen in Halo Wars and the Halo 3 glitched one, would the glitched one be considered canon?[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 19:49, 6 January 2012 (EST)
:::Glitches are not canon.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
:::Glitches are not canon.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
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[[File: M12 FAV ODST.jpg|thumb|right| Turretless wreck from Halo 3: odst campaign.]]
[[File: M12 FAV ODST.jpg|thumb|right| Turretless wreck from Halo 3: odst campaign.]]


Actually, I agree. The M12 FAV is treated as a "frame" for the other Hog variants. If the picture of the M12 FAV and the M12 LRV are the same, then whats the difference between the two? By the way, there are also turretless wreckages in Crow's Nest. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 10:38, 8 February 2012 (EST)
Actually, I agree. The M12 FAV is treated as a "frame" for the other Hog variants. If the picture of the M12 FAV and the M12 LRV are the same, then whats the difference between the two? By the way, there are also turretless wreckages in Crow's Nest. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 10:38, 8 February 2012 (EST)


I've found that in Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST that ALL destroyed Warthogs that spawn by default are flatbeds, even if there is debris from a cannon near it.--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (EST)
I've found that in Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST that ALL destroyed Warthogs that spawn by default are flatbeds, even if there is debris from a cannon near it.--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (EST)
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As per [[Talk:M12_Force_Application_Vehicle#Halo_Wars_Warthog|this discussion]] (if redirect doesn't work, it's the section above titled "Halo Wars Warthog"), would it be possible for someone to upload a picture of a turretless Warthog? It can be either from Halo 3, Halo 3: Recon or Halo Wars. I don't think you can create a flatbed Warthog in ''Reach''... but who knows. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:15, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
As per [[Talk:M12_Force_Application_Vehicle#Halo_Wars_Warthog|this discussion]] (if redirect doesn't work, it's the section above titled "Halo Wars Warthog"), would it be possible for someone to upload a picture of a turretless Warthog? It can be either from Halo 3, Halo 3: Recon or Halo Wars. I don't think you can create a flatbed Warthog in ''Reach''... but who knows. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:15, 2 May 2012 (EDT)


:Sub's been drinking. :P —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 11:08, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:[[:File:Unsc warthog.gif|Sub's been drinking.]] :P —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 11:08, 3 May 2012 (EDT)


::Pssh. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  15:47, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
::Pssh. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  15:47, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
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Why is warthog first appeared in fall of reach shouldn't it be Halo Combat Evolved. In the beginning cutscence just a little bit before the part where sergeant Johnson gave his speech to the marines. --[[User talk:SPARTAN ZER0|SPARTAN ZER0]] 02:04, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Why is warthog first appeared in fall of reach shouldn't it be Halo Combat Evolved. In the beginning cutscence just a little bit before the part where sergeant Johnson gave his speech to the marines. --[[User talk:SPARTAN ZER0|SPARTAN ZER0]] 02:04, 29 May 2012 (EDT)


:The Fall of Reach was released a little before the game was, so it is the official first appearance of the vehicle. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:41, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:The Fall of Reach was released a little before the game was, so it is the official first appearance of the vehicle. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:41, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
According to the new Halo Waypoint Universe section it is 8.1 Feet tall, but currently we use a bigger height from Halo Encyclopedia. Should we change it? [[User:SamGall|SamGall]] ([[User talk:SamGall|talk]]) 12:11, 27 November 2014 (EST)
According to the new Halo Waypoint Universe section it is 8.1 Feet tall, but currently we use a bigger height from Halo Encyclopedia. Should we change it? [[User:SamGall|SamGall]] ([[User talk:SamGall|talk]]) 12:11, 27 November 2014 (EST)


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Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated! EDIT: Actually, screw it, [[User:NightHammer/Sandbox3|I'll make a sandbox post for it so you guys can see what I've done so far]]. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 20:40, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
Any comments or help would be greatly appreciated! EDIT: Actually, screw it, [[User:NightHammer/Sandbox3|I'll make a sandbox post for it so you guys can see what I've done so far]]. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 20:40, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
:The M12B seems to just be the current base model that includes the current generation of M12Rs and M12G1s.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 21:24, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
:The M12B seems to just be the current base model that includes the current generation of M12Rs and M12G1s.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 21:24, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 22:32, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 22:32, 29 May 2016 (EDT)


:::It is possible that the 2554 variant and the M12B is the same variant. Just my two cents -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
:::It is possible that the 2554 variant and the M12B is the same variant. Just my two cents -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 07:54, 30 May 2016 (EDT)


::::I kinda' doubt it.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 12:42, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
::::I kinda' doubt it.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 12:42, 30 May 2016 (EDT)


==M12A and M12B==
==M12A and M12B==
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I cant get behind calling the Halo 4 and Forza 4 Warthogs M12A though as there is a clear difference shown by 343i already with Initiation after Halo 4 and Forza 4 introduced the new design. :) -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 13:41, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
I cant get behind calling the Halo 4 and Forza 4 Warthogs M12A though as there is a clear difference shown by 343i already with Initiation after Halo 4 and Forza 4 introduced the new design. :) -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 13:41, 30 May 2016 (EDT)


:[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/canon-fodder-a-time-to-give-tanks This Canon Fodder] said the new [[M70 Gauss cannon|Gauss turret]] was added to the M12B after the Requiem campaign, whereas our article says it's the M12B itself that entered service after the campaign. I think the Canon Fodder meant the M12B already existed before 2558. It's very likely that it corresponds to the model from ''Halo 4'', ''Halo 2: Anniversary'', ''Forza'', etc, though I'd like clarifications from 343. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 15:59, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
:[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/canon-fodder-a-time-to-give-tanks This Canon Fodder] said the new [[M555 Gauss cannon|Gauss turret]] was added to the M12B after the Requiem campaign, whereas our article says it's the M12B itself that entered service after the campaign. I think the Canon Fodder meant the M12B already existed before 2558. It's very likely that it corresponds to the model from ''Halo 4'', ''Halo 2: Anniversary'', ''Forza'', etc, though I'd like clarifications from 343. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 15:59, 30 May 2016 (EDT)


::That's what I was thinking. I'll probably reword it in the article to say that it was first seen after the campaign. It'd be cool if Grim explained what the M12B was exactly. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 16:02, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
::That's what I was thinking. I'll probably reword it in the article to say that it was first seen after the campaign. It'd be cool if Grim explained what the M12B was exactly. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 16:02, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
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Can we get some images in the section about the different chassis to make it more clear which ones refer to the different game models? I'd do it myself, but I myself am confused on this.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 16:31, 23 September 2017 (EDT)d9328
Can we get some images in the section about the different chassis to make it more clear which ones refer to the different game models? I'd do it myself, but I myself am confused on this.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 16:31, 23 September 2017 (EDT)d9328
:Did some image work, but it would help if we got some clarification as to what models the term M12B refers to, because right now, that's kind of ambiguous.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 17:04, 23 September 2017 (EDT)d9328
:Did some image work, but it would help if we got some clarification as to what models the term M12B refers to, because right now, that's kind of ambiguous.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 17:04, 23 September 2017 (EDT)d9328
::I will deal with it. I was planning on getting it all sorted and worked on.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 17:29, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
== 2557/58 model ==
These two "models", save for the graphics updates from halo 4-5 and different chainguns, look exactly the same. Should they be combined?--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 11:05, 24 September 2017 (EDT)d9328
:They have differences. Some under the bonnet like a battery being a different colour. And other stuff thats really minor.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 11:24, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
== Splitting this page up ==
I think this page really needs to be split up. The way the page is written and organised right now, it's pretty difficult to easily distinguish the model variants from one another because of how much information on varying models there is. At the very least, the M12 and M12B ought to be split into different pages entirely (in the same way we have the M808B and M808C Scorpion pages). It could just be me, but I feel that there's a lot of really confusing terminology that could be better explained. Light Reconnaissance Vehicle, Force Application Vehicle, M12B? I'd even say we should create pages for the LRV/ Gauss/ Rocket variants' M12B models to further distinguish, or at least create dedicated sections on those pages to separate M12 and M12B info.  I also believe the specialised variants like the Tropic, Arctic and so forth deserve their own pages. I mean, we have a page for the [[MA1 assault rifle]], and these 'Hog variants have more to say due to their real-world development history.
So yeah, at the very least split M12 and M12B to their own pages, and create a hub page that clearly outlines which vehicle is which. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:48, June 24, 2019 (EDT)

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