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All this S-II v S-III stuff? Irrelevant. Physically, they are identical - Spartan-III's aren't as genetically ideal as their predecessors, but the augmentation and training regimen more than makes up for it. They use an S-II to train them, using his experience from his own training and his combat service, and use improved augmentations to bring them up to par. The S-III's weren't given MJOLNIR simply because of the expense and difficulty of creating each suit - fitting roughly thirty Spartans with MJOLNIR cost the same as building a Naval battlegroup. Three hundred? Six hundred? Nine hundred suits of MJOLNIR? Probably beyond the UNSC's means. In a fight between an S-II and S-III, all things being equal, with or without MJOLNIR the fight would be pretty even, except for age and experience as factors. | All this S-II v S-III stuff? Irrelevant. Physically, they are identical - Spartan-III's aren't as genetically ideal as their predecessors, but the augmentation and training regimen more than makes up for it. They use an S-II to train them, using his experience from his own training and his combat service, and use improved augmentations to bring them up to par. The S-III's weren't given MJOLNIR simply because of the expense and difficulty of creating each suit - fitting roughly thirty Spartans with MJOLNIR cost the same as building a Naval battlegroup. Three hundred? Six hundred? Nine hundred suits of MJOLNIR? Probably beyond the UNSC's means. In a fight between an S-II and S-III, all things being equal, with or without MJOLNIR the fight would be pretty even, except for age and experience as factors. | ||
I'm getting really tired of people bitching that S-III's are cheap knockoffs. Yes, they were wasted. Yes, they died, when the S-II's had a better track record. But soldiers die, and victories have their cost. Yes, they used mostly SPI and not MJOLNIR, but it's still much better than the gear other combat units use, especially the ODST's. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:56, 21 December 2010 (EST) | I'm getting really tired of people bitching that S-III's are cheap knockoffs. Yes, they were wasted. Yes, they died, when the S-II's had a better track record. But soldiers die, and victories have their cost. Yes, they used mostly SPI and not MJOLNIR, but it's still much better than the gear other combat units use, especially the ODST's. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:56, 21 December 2010 (EST) | ||
== Why no mention of his weapon? == | == Why no mention of his weapon? == | ||
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:: seriously, where are you getting 14 from. Nylund specifically states in FoR that there were at least 25 S-IIs being briefed. {{unsigned|Psycho60}} | :: seriously, where are you getting 14 from. Nylund specifically states in FoR that there were at least 25 S-IIs being briefed. {{unsigned|Psycho60}} | ||
::: There's a reason why 343 and Eric Nylund are reissuing the books. That count is so out of date now that its nearly impossible to reconcile with the recent canon. Frankly, I don't know if the UNSC knows how many Spartans are out there running around. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ::: There's a reason why 343 and Eric Nylund are reissuing the books. That count is so out of date now that its nearly impossible to reconcile with the recent canon. Frankly, I don't know if the UNSC knows how many Spartans are out there running around. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Fair enough answer. but now i'm really more curious about 14. seriously, where does that come from? | ::::Fair enough answer. but now i'm really more curious about 14. seriously, where does that come from? | ||
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:No, he's officially listed as ''Killed In Action'', according recent sources.-- <span style="color: #7BA05B; font-weight:bold; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><tt>KEEP IT CLEAN</tt></span> <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Comm Line'''</u></font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Transmissions'''</u></font>]]</sub> 15:00, 15 May 2012 (EDT) | :No, he's officially listed as ''Killed In Action'', according recent sources.-- <span style="color: #7BA05B; font-weight:bold; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><tt>KEEP IT CLEAN</tt></span> <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Comm Line'''</u></font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Transmissions'''</u></font>]]</sub> 15:00, 15 May 2012 (EDT) | ||
::I do think, story-telling wise, there's a difference between being designated KIA and being ''confirmed'' KIA. For all intents and purposes, we don't know what happened to Jorge, and can only assume, sans a later appearance, that he was killed by the slipspace rupture. It's ''remotely'' possible that he survived on the Corvette if it wasn't destroyed by the chunk of Supercarrier it took with it, and if he wasn't swarmed by what was left of the Corvette's crew, but then that still leaves him stranded in slipspace. So while he's officially designated KIA, I think it's fairer to say he genuinely is KIA, in the same sense as James, in that there's currently no conceivable way for him to have survived. Then again, we all kind of assumed Jun was MIA until 343 brought him back, so they ''might'' do something with Jorge. Given their penchant for killing off the remaining Spartan-IIs, though, I'd rather they leave it to our imaginations. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:35, 2 September 2014 (EDT) | ::I do think, story-telling wise, there's a difference between being designated KIA and being ''confirmed'' KIA. For all intents and purposes, we don't know what happened to Jorge, and can only assume, sans a later appearance, that he was killed by the slipspace rupture. It's ''remotely'' possible that he survived on the Corvette if it wasn't destroyed by the chunk of Supercarrier it took with it, and if he wasn't swarmed by what was left of the Corvette's crew, but then that still leaves him stranded in slipspace. So while he's officially designated KIA, I think it's fairer to say he genuinely is KIA, in the same sense as James, in that there's currently no conceivable way for him to have survived. Then again, we all kind of assumed Jun was MIA until 343 brought him back, so they ''might'' do something with Jorge. Given their penchant for killing off the remaining Spartan-IIs, though, I'd rather they leave it to our imaginations. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:35, 2 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
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