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:The Brutes and Elites in this faction did not get involved in the Sangheili-Jiralhanae feud as The Banished were not The Covenant at the time of the Great Schism. They were their own faction. | :The Brutes and Elites in this faction did not get involved in the Sangheili-Jiralhanae feud as The Banished were not The Covenant at the time of the Great Schism. They were their own faction. | ||
:It is an important thing to note on the article, it provides a lot of clarity as to why the Brutes and Elites are able to coexist in this faction post-war. [[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User | :It is an important thing to note on the article, it provides a lot of clarity as to why the Brutes and Elites are able to coexist in this faction post-war. [[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 06:12, 14 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
::I think we should simply drop the mention of the Great Schism in the article. The original comment from the making of simply said the Banished had fought against the Covenant before humanity beat them. Starting to guess what position the Banished had during the Schism is not good. We don't have enough precision on the topic. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2016 (EDT) | ::I think we should simply drop the mention of the Great Schism in the article. The original comment from the making of simply said the Banished had fought against the Covenant before humanity beat them. Starting to guess what position the Banished had during the Schism is not good. We don't have enough precision on the topic. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2016 (EDT) | ||
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:Building bases. Unless it was cut from the original beta.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 06:28, 17 February 2017 (EST) | :Building bases. Unless it was cut from the original beta.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 06:28, 17 February 2017 (EST) | ||
I don't have HW2, hopefully someone who does can confirm it is in the final game. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 07:15, 17 February 2017 (EST) | |||
:It's in the final game. Even has a Phoenix Log entry.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 17:45, 17 February 2017 (EST) | |||
==Formation date== | |||
We are basing the formation date off of the Battle of Algolis whose date is in turn based off some of the ordinance present. However there are some engagements that last over a couple years, Harvest and Meridian to name two. Is it possible that this was similarly a protracted battle with Atriox's execution taking place possibly a year or more before the end of the battle that we see in Prototype and Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian? [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 23:32, 21 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Certainly. And in Halo Wars 2 we are told, that the Banished have been raiding the Covenant and other groups over a decade as of 2559. That implies it formed in 2549 at the very latest.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 23:42, 21 September 2017 (EDT)TheEld | |||
==Logo name in infobox== | |||
It might be a interesting idea to add the name of the logo in some form into the infobox. This idea came from discussions regarding how we could merge the Banished page for Halopedia and Halo Nation better.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 11:34, 16 January 2019 (EST) | |||
==Objection to Banished classification as 'Mercenary'== | |||
The Banished was formed to get out from the yoke of the Covenant, and Atriox and the Banished have a fiercely independant nature and vehemently refuse to work for anyone. So that is why I think their description as a 'Mercenary Organisation' is wrong and should be changed. I know it has been mentioned as such in the Halo Universe, but the definition of a mercenary organisation is an organisation that can be hired by people. The Banished definitely do NOT fall under this description. | |||
While they do preform raids and acts of Piracy, I think labelling them as Pirates is also a misnomer. They do these things not as and end, but as a means to an end. | |||
Due to their relationships and origin with the Covenant, I think referring to them as a Rebel Organisation, Terrorist Organisation or even Splinter Faction would be better suited. | |||
A bit further from the point, but still relevant, is the following observation: Although heavily militarised, the Banished seem to be more of a concept of a State then an actual military. It has a vast military true, but that has to be supported by something. An economy and homebase. | |||
[[User:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] ([[User talk:Thijsbos|talk]]) 13:06, December 18, 2021 (EST) | |||
:I agree with this in principle, though I'd likely argue all of these labels have been correct at various points in time. The Banished when they were first created were certainly pirates and likely mercenaries - though the goals of Atriox shifted in the post-war to that of nation-building.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 13:15, December 18, 2021 (EST) | |||
: Your objection goes against their official descriptions which is what we go off of for citations. They were first introduced as a '''"mercenary force"''' in ''[[Halo Wars 2]]'',<ref name="waypoint">[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-wars-2 '''Halo Waypoint''': ''Halo Wars 2''] ''"Atriox, the leader of a violent, mercenary force known as The Banished."''</ref> and ''[[Halo: Envoy]]'' mentioned that hiring the faction for work was possible.{{Ref/Novel|Halo Envoy|Quote=Anexus watched them depart. "We should send word to our fellow Jiralhanae clans. We could even call the Banished to us. Atriox would send us cruisers to transport these Sharquoi back to our homeworld. We will be safe forever."}} For a more recent and up to date description of them, ''[[Halo: Shadows of Reach]]'' still calls them '''"a horde of mercenary raiders"'''.{{Ref/Book|Id=Mercenary|Shadows of Reach|Chapter= 1|Quote=The second was a horde of mercenary raiders called simply the Banished.}} In ''[[Halo Infinite]]'' they are still composed of multiple mercenary clans as shown in targets section of the menu, so the description '''"mercenary raiders"''' still stands and should remain unless a new official source specifies that they are no longer mercenaries at all. [[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 13:47, December 18, 2021 (EST) | |||
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::While I agree overall, it's worth mentioning that your second quote doesn't imply that they're doing mercenary work. Given that Atriox's stance is one of wanting to promote and unify the Jiralhanae under one coherent banner to fend off their enemies in the Sangheili and humanity, this just sounds like Atriox being willing to help out Brute interests where possible. Less a mercenary contract and more shared goals/interests/alliance.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 13:56, December 18, 2021 (EST) | |||