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Atlas Tasume 19:34 (GMT +1) 4th March 2011 | Atlas Tasume 19:34 (GMT +1) 4th March 2011 | ||
:Teleportation=[[Gravity Throne|Yes, they've had it.]] Cloaking=[[Active | :Teleportation=[[Gravity Throne|Yes, they've had it.]] Cloaking=[[Active Camouflage|Of Course!]] Banshees and Seraphs=[[Impulse drive]] and reinforced structure. And you don't MAC [[Covenant Supercarrier|something that is bigger than the nearby cities and probably would crush some major population centers]], not to mention the fact that the projectile alone would cause near global extinction. The elites have changed before as well, in Halo Wars and Halo 3, and if anybody has the right to change them it's Bungie. And yes, I have read all at Haloreachisnotcanon.net before and it is pretty clear to me that they are missing the point on '''A LOT''' of their arguments. Really, none of the above are any drastic changes. And some are just updates. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:10, 4 March 2011 (EST) | ||
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::I realise most of the points have been addressed, but I thought I'd add my two cents. | ::I realise most of the points have been addressed, but I thought I'd add my two cents. | ||
::#This "MAC in orbit" debate seems a relic of the Halo Wars debates, and my answer is the same here as it is there - the force a kinetic projectile imparts is based on its mass and velocity. It's not inconceivable that the UNSC uses lower-velocity shots that impart enough kinetic energy to smash a Covenant corvette, but not enough to crack the planet's crust apart. Using the full force would be a tremendous waste anyway. At the least, they may have [[ | ::#This "MAC in orbit" debate seems a relic of the Halo Wars debates, and my answer is the same here as it is there - the force a kinetic projectile imparts is based on its mass and velocity. It's not inconceivable that the UNSC uses lower-velocity shots that impart enough kinetic energy to smash a Covenant corvette, but not enough to crack the planet's crust apart. Using the full force would be a tremendous waste anyway. At the least, they may have [[halofanon:THOR Weapon System|orbiting kinetic satellites]] for the expressed purpose of reactive orbital bombardment. We know that at least frigate-grade MAC weapons in atmosphere is a big deal, from Jorge's reaction, but why would the UNSC use weapons that produce so much collateral damage, when they need pinpoint precision? | ||
::#We've never seen any conclusive statement that it was only because they were on a Halo. Presumably the Prophets have many ways of protecting themselves - whether they understand the technology fully or not. I understand it to be using slipspace to "shunt" the teleportee to where they need to be, rather than particle disassembly and reassembly ala stereotypical teleportation, and the Covenant have a mastery of slipspace that humanity does not. | ::#We've never seen any conclusive statement that it was only because they were on a Halo. Presumably the Prophets have many ways of protecting themselves - whether they understand the technology fully or not. I understand it to be using slipspace to "shunt" the teleportee to where they need to be, rather than particle disassembly and reassembly ala stereotypical teleportation, and the Covenant have a mastery of slipspace that humanity does not. | ||
::#We've seen corvettes camouflage. ''We'' assumed that was the theoretical limit of size a ship could be and camouflaged. Nothing has said that this was true. It contradicts nothing. | ::#We've seen corvettes camouflage. ''We'' assumed that was the theoretical limit of size a ship could be and camouflaged. Nothing has said that this was true. It contradicts nothing. | ||
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::#Who ever said the M392 and the BR55 were even the same series? The DMR is much earlier, and is being replaced by the BR55. That doesn't make it the "test version", it makes it the BR55's predecessor. And notice that Halo Wars and Contact Harvest were based on a ''Marine'' perspective - the Army uses different materiel. The two branches have different requirements, different acquisition methods and aims, so it makes sense that their arsenals differ a little. I'd be surprised if they didn't. | ::#Who ever said the M392 and the BR55 were even the same series? The DMR is much earlier, and is being replaced by the BR55. That doesn't make it the "test version", it makes it the BR55's predecessor. And notice that Halo Wars and Contact Harvest were based on a ''Marine'' perspective - the Army uses different materiel. The two branches have different requirements, different acquisition methods and aims, so it makes sense that their arsenals differ a little. I'd be surprised if they didn't. | ||
::#You can't "Break" Canon. You can only add to it. Sometimes you need to modify some bits, clarify others, in the form of retcons, ie the dates of the Fall of Reach. But the only thing that can "break" it would be something major, ie; saying that the Master Chief is a enlisted as a Marine and was made a Spartan later, when we have so many other sources stating otherwise. That's an example of something that completely ignores the canon. Bungie didn't take the Halo Bible and throw it out the window. They looked through it, selected what they wanted to keep, partitioned others that they wanted to modify, and set to work. | ::#You can't "Break" Canon. You can only add to it. Sometimes you need to modify some bits, clarify others, in the form of retcons, ie the dates of the Fall of Reach. But the only thing that can "break" it would be something major, ie; saying that the Master Chief is a enlisted as a Marine and was made a Spartan later, when we have so many other sources stating otherwise. That's an example of something that completely ignores the canon. Bungie didn't take the Halo Bible and throw it out the window. They looked through it, selected what they wanted to keep, partitioned others that they wanted to modify, and set to work. | ||
::#I'm sorry, but this just seems like a huge overreaction. I'm not blaming you specifically for it, because its one a lot of fans share. But I think [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks TV Tropes] perfectly summarises this kind of thing. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | ::#I'm sorry, but this just seems like a huge overreaction. I'm not blaming you specifically for it, because its one a lot of fans share. But I think [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks TV Tropes] perfectly summarises this kind of thing. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 23:51, 4 March 2011 (EST) | ||
: [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 20:19, 5 March 2011 (EST)While we have pretty much given him a good talking to on the technological portion of this. The big thing that I don't know is the timeline. Like the Pillar of Autumn landing. Or Gamma Station (or wherever they saw the big blob from one of the probes and blew themselves up) knowing about the Covenant yet apparently Noble Team was 1st, and then alerted FLEET COMMAND. Again, I'm not trying to be like Atlas and claim that this isn't canon. I'm just asking. | : [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 20:19, 5 March 2011 (EST)While we have pretty much given him a good talking to on the technological portion of this. The big thing that I don't know is the timeline. Like the Pillar of Autumn landing. Or Gamma Station (or wherever they saw the big blob from one of the probes and blew themselves up) knowing about the Covenant yet apparently Noble Team was 1st, and then alerted FLEET COMMAND. Again, I'm not trying to be like Atlas and claim that this isn't canon. I'm just asking. | ||
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::Essentially, The Fall of Reach claimed that the planet was invaded in one day (a ridiculous proposition when you think of the logistics that would require), and that the rest of the campaign, well into September, was just guerrilla holdouts and desperate breaks through enemy lines. Reach stretches things out a bit, with a small expeditionary taskforce to pave the way arriving in July, skirmishes around their footholds in Viery, and then the arrival of an entire Covenant fleet, which matches with the FoR's events, retconning it so that these are reinforcements rather than the initial invasion. The Spartans, whose viewpoint we're given, don't know that this is a follow-up effort because they weren't told - their preparations for [[Operation: RED FLAG]] were too important to distract them with details like the battle for their home, and Halsey needed their minds focussed 100% on the mission. As for the Pillar of Autumn, we know that by the time it's cradled on Reach the Master Chief has already been taken back aboard - the cryotube is either him or, I think more likely, Linda. This is a brief stop, the recover part of Cortana, after which they head off to Alpha Halo. | ::Essentially, The Fall of Reach claimed that the planet was invaded in one day (a ridiculous proposition when you think of the logistics that would require), and that the rest of the campaign, well into September, was just guerrilla holdouts and desperate breaks through enemy lines. Reach stretches things out a bit, with a small expeditionary taskforce to pave the way arriving in July, skirmishes around their footholds in Viery, and then the arrival of an entire Covenant fleet, which matches with the FoR's events, retconning it so that these are reinforcements rather than the initial invasion. The Spartans, whose viewpoint we're given, don't know that this is a follow-up effort because they weren't told - their preparations for [[Operation: RED FLAG]] were too important to distract them with details like the battle for their home, and Halsey needed their minds focussed 100% on the mission. As for the Pillar of Autumn, we know that by the time it's cradled on Reach the Master Chief has already been taken back aboard - the cryotube is either him or, I think more likely, Linda. This is a brief stop, the recover part of Cortana, after which they head off to Alpha Halo. | ||
::Does that answer everything? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | ::Does that answer everything? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:09, 6 March 2011 (EST) | ||
:: [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 12:32, 6 March 2011 (EST): Yeah, the only thing that I don't get now is Cortana. Because I read Dr. Halsey's Journal yet it doesn't make sense. Because if Halsey wanted the PoA to have the full Cortana then they would have had Cortana. If she wanted to keep part of Cortana, then she would have not asked NOBLE to retrieve her. Also, is it right to assume that ONI didn't create the SPARTAN-III variant of MJOLNIR with the Memory-processor superconductor layer, because that was almost half the cost of the armor. Also, Cortana could have just changed herself (as in updating her calculations, like in the Fall of Reach, when she says "in fact, now I have just made it a 98 percent chance") like she did with John-117 to speed SPARTAN-B312's reflexes and provide support in the Battle Field. | :: [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 12:32, 6 March 2011 (EST): Yeah, the only thing that I don't get now is Cortana. Because I read Dr. Halsey's Journal yet it doesn't make sense. Because if Halsey wanted the PoA to have the full Cortana then they would have had Cortana. If she wanted to keep part of Cortana, then she would have not asked NOBLE to retrieve her. Also, is it right to assume that ONI didn't create the SPARTAN-III variant of MJOLNIR with the Memory-processor superconductor layer, because that was almost half the cost of the armor. Also, Cortana could have just changed herself (as in updating her calculations, like in the Fall of Reach, when she says "in fact, now I have just made it a 98 percent chance") like she did with John-117 to speed SPARTAN-B312's reflexes and provide support in the Battle Field. | ||
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:::Halsey divided Cortana because she needed her to finish archiving the data gathered from the relics under Sword Base. At the same time, Cortana needed to accomodate herself aboard the Pillar of Autumn, a lengthy process. The solution was to split her into two separate halves until Operation: RED FLAG was launched, at which point they would be reunited. The plan needed to be modified, because the unexpected arrival of Covenant reinforcements cut the two halves off from each other, and the results of the Sword Base dig turned out to be more important than anyone could guess, hence the involvement of Noble. | :::Halsey divided Cortana because she needed her to finish archiving the data gathered from the relics under Sword Base. At the same time, Cortana needed to accomodate herself aboard the Pillar of Autumn, a lengthy process. The solution was to split her into two separate halves until Operation: RED FLAG was launched, at which point they would be reunited. The plan needed to be modified, because the unexpected arrival of Covenant reinforcements cut the two halves off from each other, and the results of the Sword Base dig turned out to be more important than anyone could guess, hence the involvement of Noble. | ||
:::And while I don't think it's explicitly stated, I don't think that Noble's MJOLNIR would need the equipment to support a Smart AI, otherwise Six would have uploaded Cortana to his suit rather than carry her in a rather fragile-looking container. It makes sense - that's what much of the cost and effort go into, so removing it would make sense from an economic point of view. Dot is a more primitive construct, and I don't know if she's even carried in combat anyway - I got the impression that she was stored elsewhere, perhaps on the Pelican, and communicating at range. Having ''every'' Spartan equipped with an AI would have been unrealistic - I think the plan was always that only John would carry Cortana. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :::And while I don't think it's explicitly stated, I don't think that Noble's MJOLNIR would need the equipment to support a Smart AI, otherwise Six would have uploaded Cortana to his suit rather than carry her in a rather fragile-looking container. It makes sense - that's what much of the cost and effort go into, so removing it would make sense from an economic point of view. Dot is a more primitive construct, and I don't know if she's even carried in combat anyway - I got the impression that she was stored elsewhere, perhaps on the Pelican, and communicating at range. Having ''every'' Spartan equipped with an AI would have been unrealistic - I think the plan was always that only John would carry Cortana. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 23:01, 6 March 2011 (EST) | ||
::I got the impression that Dot was a military AI, not assigned to Noble but rather to the UNSC Army. She seems to reflect the mannerisms of a Dumb AI, and has access to be able to contact cameras and military surveillance equipment all over the planet. She may be attached to Reach instead, but one scene with Jorge implies she doesn't understand Hungarian, which could suggest she's assigned to the Army rather than to Reach (or maybe Jorge was just mumbling!) [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 19:49, 7 March 2011 (EST) | ::I got the impression that Dot was a military AI, not assigned to Noble but rather to the UNSC Army. She seems to reflect the mannerisms of a Dumb AI, and has access to be able to contact cameras and military surveillance equipment all over the planet. She may be attached to Reach instead, but one scene with Jorge implies she doesn't understand Hungarian, which could suggest she's assigned to the Army rather than to Reach (or maybe Jorge was just mumbling!) [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 19:49, 7 March 2011 (EST) | ||
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Yeah, thanks! Can you please post this on Bungie.net. Or if you reply no, then I can do it myself.{{unsigned|vegerot}} | Yeah, thanks! Can you please post this on Bungie.net. Or if you reply no, then I can do it myself.{{unsigned|vegerot}} | ||
Reach was something that bungie wanted to do even though they already made the canon in the book "the fall of reach", they didn't bother thinking about the people that have read the book and get outraged with it, they just did it anyway. The book and game are just 2 different realities that connect with halo ce therefore making both canon in 2 different realities. [[SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 13:57 17th may 2011 | Reach was something that bungie wanted to do even though they already made the canon in the book "the fall of reach", they didn't bother thinking about the people that have read the book and get outraged with it, they just did it anyway. The book and game are just 2 different realities that connect with halo ce therefore making both canon in 2 different realities. [[User:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 13:57 17th may 2011 | ||
:No. ''Reach'' is the <u>definitive</u> source of canon. The game and the novels do not occur in "different realities". Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a ''Halo'' fan at all. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:14, 16 May 2011 (EDT) | :No. ''Reach'' is the <u>definitive</u> source of canon. The game and the novels do not occur in "different realities". Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a ''Halo'' fan at all. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:14, 16 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
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But that's the only book that it contradicts. And even then, only the last few chapters of. The endings are the same, and the rest of all he Halo canon fits right into it. Think about it, The Forerunner Trilogy couldn't give a crap about the Fall of Reach, because, in fact, it makes NO difference at all! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:32, 18 May 2011 (EDT)! | But that's the only book that it contradicts. And even then, only the last few chapters of. The endings are the same, and the rest of all he Halo canon fits right into it. Think about it, The Forerunner Trilogy couldn't give a crap about the Fall of Reach, because, in fact, it makes NO difference at all! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:32, 18 May 2011 (EDT)! | ||
:That's like saying that changing the plotline of Halo:CE wouldn't matter because it will still end with the ring destroyed. '''IT DOES''' because the reverberations are going to go through the rest of the canon, such encounter of the Flood, or the ring's mechanics, Guilty Spark, etc And it did with FoR, which had to go through the massive changes of when Elites were encountered, or when RED FLAG was scheduled. Forerunner Trilogy is so far ahead of the timeline of course that nothing will matter Write any book far away enough, and there might be no effects from anything else, that doesn't mean it's not important. That and Cryptum came out AFTER Reach so of course it's not going to have to worry less about the timeline. That isn't case with the other books. It's like saying "Killing off the species of lion in Africa is not going to matter because there are moose in America that won't care." Yes, but everyone in Africa '''will''', even if it's just one continent. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT) | :That's like saying that changing the plotline of Halo:CE wouldn't matter because it will still end with the ring destroyed. '''IT DOES''' because the reverberations are going to go through the rest of the canon, such encounter of the Flood, or the ring's mechanics, Guilty Spark, etc And it did with FoR, which had to go through the massive changes of when Elites were encountered, or when RED FLAG was scheduled. Forerunner Trilogy is so far ahead of the timeline of course that nothing will matter. Write any book far away enough, and there might be no effects from anything else, that doesn't mean it's not important. That and Cryptum came out AFTER Reach so of course it's not going to have to worry less about the timeline. That isn't case with the other books. It's like saying "Killing off the species of lion in Africa is not going to matter because there are moose in America that won't care." Yes, but everyone in Africa '''will''', even if it's just one continent. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
O.K., I agree. But still we can explain maybe 85% of the things in that seem different in the 2 Reaches (FoR and Reach). But that last 15% we're just gonna have to suck up and believe. But the thing you got to remember is that Halo is imaginary, so you can believe anything you want (I think I've already had this lecture before, but whatever). I don't feel like saying this lecture over again, so find out where I said this the first time and read that. Sorry, but I'm in a hurry to get to work now!! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:43, 19 May 2011 (EDT)! | O.K., I agree. But still we can explain maybe 85% of the things in that seem different in the 2 Reaches (FoR and Reach). But that last 15% we're just gonna have to suck up and believe. But the thing you got to remember is that Halo is imaginary, so you can believe anything you want (I think I've already had this lecture before, but whatever). I don't feel like saying this lecture over again, so find out where I said this the first time and read that. Sorry, but I'm in a hurry to get to work now!! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:43, 19 May 2011 (EDT)! | ||
The fall of reach is indeed a crucial point. It's like kursk or the battle of Britain. Crucial. Bungie said it was canon, it's canon. Don't like it? Go to fanon sites not this one. Man, my logic is impeccable. I should run the world.--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 19:58, 21 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
Well Vegerot its not only the fall of reach it contredicted it was also first strike and ghosts of onyx cause those two books followed the storyline of the fall of reach [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 10:33 23rd may 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I found that it did not affect First Strike or Ghosts of Onyx. Halsey still didn't know about Spartan III's, all she knew was that Noble Team (Except for Jorge) weren't her Spartans. And I don't see how it truly affected thestory-arc of First Strike. [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 13:29, 12 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
I just realised something that is really strange in my opinion is that noble team was part of alpha and beta company which is very unlikely cause "all" 300 spartans in alpha died, there was not 304. And also in beta "all" 300 spartans were sent and only 2 survived yet there were 3 or so removed before the deployment, and when i said "all" i meant "all" look at the pages and it says so, it would make more sense if noble team was selected from gamma company cause there is 295 spartans that we have no clue of where they are. unless they correct this in the reprint of onyx then it is not possible that noble team was apart of alpha and beta. cause they only conscipted 300 spartans into each company with th exception of 340 in gamma company. [[User talk:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 17:00, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
No they are it's a retcon [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 01:06, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
And the game specifically says they're from alpha and beta company [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 01:09, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It's not a retcon, either. Ghosts of Onyx shows clearly that well over 300 children were taken to Reach for each company. Until now we just assumed that everyone else failed to make the final cut and became ONI military police and the later S-IIIs' trainers. The existence of teams outside the main company was suggested in that novel, also, when Ackerson requested Tom for black-ops missions as his personal grim reaper - he got B312 instead.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 01:53, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I checked out the haloreach.isnotcanon site. I asked the administration if they could host some of out answers, as well as explaining an inaccurate inaccuracy claiming that the yanme'e were never on Reach.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 15:10, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I think everything would be much clearer for everyone if we were to post our timeline reconciling the novel and the game somewhere, either on here, Bungie.net, or "Halo Reach Is Not Canon". I was distinctly unimpressed with their arguments.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:59, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
Or even better, all three. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 14:00, 16 June 2011 (EDT)! | |||
But yet in ghosts of onyx it said that there was only enough for 300 in alpha company and beta company apart from gamma with the exception of 340 spartans in it. [[User:Alex-223|Alex-223]] 16:26 17 june 2011 (EDT) | |||
Ok Im going to try to say this nicely... It's not an error Let It Go!!! Enough with the HALO REACH IS NOT CANON CRAP!!! It's canon sorry if your mad about it being canon [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 00:28, 17 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
Many of these points are very viable but the one thing that still eats at me is the size of the Epsilon Eridani fleet. The reason for this is in Halo Reach the fleet is only shown as Savanah, Grafton and 3 or 4 other frigates a few of which are shown as battered and destroyed hulls. Not to mention the fact that the only orbital station shown is Anchor 9 where is the fleet and the SMACs!?--[[User talk:Thehalocodplayer|Thehalocodplayer]] 18:56, 9 March 2012 (EST) | |||
:You're basing your opinion on a very small sampling. You only ''see'' a few frigates and a space station in the game. That doesn't mean the rest of the fleet wasn't out there engaging the Covenant, only that Noble's activities were a sideshow to the much larger picture. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 08:34, 17 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
One of the Data Drops also implies the fleet was being kept on the opposite side of Reach from the battles in Viery, because those leading RED FLAG were trying to lure a Class-Five Covenant ship in. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:24, 17 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Chest armor from Halo 3 == | |||
Is there any chest armor from Halo 3 that carried over to halo Reach? I'm trying to see if I could have the same armor on both games. So far it's EVA Shoulders, EOD Helmet. Gold and Cobalt, with the double shielded phoenix.--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 16:10, 21 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
All that made it but I'm not so sure about the colours. ODST helmet made from 3 along with EVA helmet, Security helmet, Security shoulders made but they were changed, the same goes for Scout Helmet. Recon made it through though shoulders and chest were changed. CQB helmet made it as did Marks V and VI. --[[User talk:Felix-119|Felix-119]] 15:40, 15 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Halo: Reach ranks == | |||
Hi, I was looking around for a <nowiki>"wanted pages"</nowiki> page but couldn't find one. Anyways, is it at all possible that someone could add a page that shows the ranks for Halo Reach (and possibly the other halo games)? This is my favorite Halo wiki and I searched and searched but couldn't find any such page. It suprised me, because to the best of my knowledge this is the most comprehensive halo wiki out there. After all, as of this writing you have 7,589 pages ... that's a lot. If there is any page, I'm sorry and I humbly ask to be directed, but if there isn't could we please have one made? | |||
Thanks and sorry if I messed anything up,<br> | |||
<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:dbrain64|<nowiki>Relentlessly searching</nowiki>]] 26th of December, 23:54 (UTC) | |||
:See [[Rank (Halo: Reach)]], and [[Rank]] for ranks from the other games. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 19:02, 26 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::Ahh, thank you very much. I had been looking for ''Halo:Reach ranks'', or ''Halo:Reach ranking system'', and the such. Always putting the '''rank''' keyword before the '''Halo:Reach''' keyword. I will admit that I feel greatly daft right now. However as the saying goes: everyone makes mistakes. ... ... Right? Anyhow, thank you very much, and I'm sorry for bothering you. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:dbrain64|<nowiki>Feeling daft</nowiki>]] 27th of December, 21:25 (UTC) | |||
That because there's a space in between "Halo:" and " Reach." Halo: Reach. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 18:30, 27 December 2011 (EST)! | |||
==Super-MACS?== | |||
Could someone explain why the mission to transport the bomb in space that killed Jorge was even necessary? I thought that the 20 SMACS around Reach would have been able to take care of it.{{Unsigned|Psycho60}} | |||
:The 20 ODPs wouldn't be nearly enough to cover the entire planet with a defensive sphere, so without any warning of the advance ships, as they were docked with the ''Long Night of Solace'' which was cloaked, it would have been impossible to stop the ships and by the time the UNSC knew about the supercarrier, after the Battle of Viery, when it was already in high atmosphere. <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:Verdana;">[[User:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#536872;">Bush</span><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">Wookie</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#91A3B0;">Camper</span>]]</sup></span> 17:08, 23 February 2012 (EST) | |||
::If they are not in a defensive sphere, which does seem unlikely, then they must have the ability to move. Otherwise, the main Covenant attack on Reach would have simply have taken place during a blind spot. Therefore, assuming that the SMACs must move, why would valuable and finite grounds assets be committed when the SMACs would eventually be able to move into position? {{Unsigned|Psycho60}} | |||
:::ODP's have never actually been stated to be able to move. They are in a fixed geosynchronous orbit over the planet, as seen by Avery Johnson's comment in ''Halo 2'': | |||
{{Quote|The ''Cairo'' is one of 300 geosync platforms|Johnson}}. | |||
:::Please sign your comments.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} | |||
They can move if needed, but by the time they knew, it was too late. Because it was already in atmosphere. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 20:43, 28 February 2012 (EST)! | |||
By definition, "''geosynchronous''" means that ODPs are constantly moving - the term actually means that they pass over the same place on the ground once every orbit. If they remained in place, they would be ''geostationary'', which they've never been described. On the other hand, we've also had no confirmation that they can move at all ''under their own power''. As such, it may be that the platforms meant for that area had already been destroyed and others wouldn't come into range before the supercarrier could finish offloading enough troops to swarm the generators powering them, or that the Covenant had found a glitch in the orbital pattern that meant none had a line of sight. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:26, 28 February 2012 (EST) | |||
Even after some guns were destroyed in FoR. The other guns were still able to turn and target. They were even able to target ships that had used precision slipspace jumps to get in close. And wouldnt destroying a SMAC draw more attention to an assault that was supposed to be a suprise? And if none of the SMACS were destoryed, why would the UNSC allow for a blindspot on their second most important planet? [[User talk:Psycho60|Psycho60]] 14:27, 8 March 2012 (EST) | |||
Possibly because the main fleet and major cities are on the opposite side of the planet? We know there's at least one station above sword base in range, but were there any platforms above Viery? As Carter pointed out, most of their nuclear weapons went down with the ships that carried them, implying that fighting in orbit had already occurred, meaning that the ODP's in the area had been disabled, or otherwise out of range. | |||
Besides, would an SMAC really do all that much to a 27 kilometer meter long ship? [[User talk:Phalanx Actual|Phalanx Actual]] 18:41, 29 July 2012 (EDT) | |||