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I'm sorry but I have to disagree on that. I agree with everything you say except when you say that this is an encyclopedia for the Video Game. It is not. In fact I have friends who use this Wikia and don't even play the games! Also. I have friends that are very interested in the books. And when I asked them if they are excited for Halo 3: ODST the said "they made a Halo video game?!". And as Bungie has said on their forum. "We know people who have never even heard of the books, games, and comics and they only watch the show. We know people who have never heard of the books, games, and show and they have only read the comics etc.". And as Star Wars said "in an infinite Halo universe. Anything is possible". So the game is only one teeny-tiny part of the "Haloverse"![[User talk:Gogeta21|Gogeta21]] 18:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!! | I'm sorry but I have to disagree on that. I agree with everything you say except when you say that this is an encyclopedia for the Video Game. It is not. In fact I have friends who use this Wikia and don't even play the games! Also. I have friends that are very interested in the books. And when I asked them if they are excited for Halo 3: ODST the said "they made a Halo video game?!". And as Bungie has said on their forum. "We know people who have never even heard of the books, games, and comics and they only watch the show. We know people who have never heard of the books, games, and show and they have only read the comics etc.". And as Star Wars said "in an infinite Halo universe. Anything is possible". So the game is only one teeny-tiny part of the "Haloverse"![[User talk:Gogeta21|Gogeta21]] 18:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!! | ||
:But the Skirmisher only appears in a game. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|20:07, 3 May | :But the Skirmisher only appears in a game. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|20:07, 3 May 2010}} | ||
{{Support}} - As per my comment/reply given to <s>failing</s> Gruntijackal. | {{Support}} - As per my comment/reply given to <s>failing</s> Gruntijackal.'''[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup>''' 18:08, February 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Support}}- If we don't, Africans, Chinese, British, Koreans, etc. all deserve their own article.[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 20:21, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | {{Support}}- If we don't, Africans, Chinese, British, Koreans, etc. all deserve their own article.[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Lekgolo]] 20:21, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Oppose}} - Its a Sub-species, like Neanderthal are to Homo Sapien, but we do not merge the two races because they have their differences. Gruntijackal | {{Oppose}} - Its a Sub-species, like Neanderthal are to Homo Sapien, but we do not merge the two races because they have their differences. Gruntijackal | ||
::Obviously your biology knowledge is beneath everyone who discussed in the previous section. >.> | ::Obviously your biology knowledge is beneath everyone who discussed in the previous section. >.> | ||
::Neanderthals are considered a sub-species because of many reasons; mainly of their bone structure and genetic makeup. The Skirmishers however, do not have such things as only their appearances (Those feathers might just be a helmet) have been altered. This is like saying Skirmishers and Jackals are two races of the Kig-Yar species just like how the Chinese and the British are two races of the human species (homo sapiens). With that said, your opposition fails epically. | ::Neanderthals are considered a sub-species because of many reasons; mainly of their bone structure and genetic makeup. The Skirmishers however, do not have such things as only their appearances (Those feathers might just be a helmet) have been altered. This is like saying Skirmishers and Jackals are two races of the Kig-Yar species just like how the Chinese and the British are two races of the human species (homo sapiens). With that said, your opposition fails epically.'''[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup>''' 18:08, February 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Actually British and Chinese are nationalities not races. --[[User talk:Jaguartalon|Jaguartalon]] 06:45, February 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::Actually British and Chinese are nationalities not races. --[[User talk:Jaguartalon|Jaguartalon]] 06:45, February 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::I know, I just laughed to myself at that statement. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 07:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC) | ::::I know, I just laughed to myself at that statement. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 07:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:: Because it strikes me as just a really stupid idea. This is a Halo wiki. The purpose is to go in depth on Halo topics. In Halo gameplay, a Skirmisher is very different from a Jackal and so it deserves its own page. I don't think people should have to go tab down to the bottom of the Jackal article to find information on them. If combat ranks of Jackals are notable enough to each have their own page, then certainly a subspecies deserves one too. Saying the Skirmisher page should be merged into the Jackal one is like saying the ODST page should be merged into the Marines page. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.86.139|24.192.86.139]] 21:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | :: Because it strikes me as just a really stupid idea. This is a Halo wiki. The purpose is to go in depth on Halo topics. In Halo gameplay, a Skirmisher is very different from a Jackal and so it deserves its own page. I don't think people should have to go tab down to the bottom of the Jackal article to find information on them. If combat ranks of Jackals are notable enough to each have their own page, then certainly a subspecies deserves one too. Saying the Skirmisher page should be merged into the Jackal one is like saying the ODST page should be merged into the Marines page. [[Special:Contributions/24.192.86.139|24.192.86.139]] 21:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Oppose}} - I sort of agree, but then again, the Skirmisher is very different from normal Jackals in a lot of ways. It may not be a different rank, but they obviously behave and look very different from the more commonly seen Kig-yar. In my opinion, the Kig-Yar article should have a subsection for the Skirmisher race detailing the racial differences but the way I see the Skirmisher, as an enemy, is basically similar to a different role, much like [[Kig-Yar Major]]s or [[Kig-Yar Sniper]]s. True, those are officially called "ranks" while the Skirmisher isn't, but simply because they are so different in appearance, behavior and tactics I think their role is synonymous to a different "rank". Like Flayer92 above said, it's not really about the being a different race or not, but their radically different gameplay role as an enemy. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | {{Oppose}} - I sort of agree, but then again, the Skirmisher is very different from normal Jackals in a lot of ways. It may not be a different rank, but they obviously behave and look very different from the more commonly seen Kig-yar. In my opinion, the Kig-Yar article should have a subsection for the Skirmisher race detailing the racial differences but the way I see the Skirmisher, as an enemy, is basically similar to a different role, much like [[Kig-Yar Major]]s or [[Kig-Yar Sniper]]s. True, those are officially called "ranks" while the Skirmisher isn't, but simply because they are so different in appearance, behavior and tactics I think their role is synonymous to a different "rank". Like Flayer92 above said, it's not really about the being a different race or not, but their radically different gameplay role as an enemy. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 14:57, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Comment}} It's been almost 4 months people, how long will the voting last? <small>Apparently until we support -_-</small>--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 10:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC) | {{Comment}} It's been almost 4 months people, how long will the voting last? <small>Apparently until we support -_-</small>--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 10:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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I understand that this is a new and exciting addition and all, but I don't think it should have its own page. According to Bungie.net, the Skirmisher is still a Kig-Yar. If this is to be separate, we should split up "Banshee" and "Heretic Banshee" again.--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 03:00, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | I understand that this is a new and exciting addition and all, but I don't think it should have its own page. According to Bungie.net, the Skirmisher is still a Kig-Yar. If this is to be separate, we should split up "Banshee" and "Heretic Banshee" again.--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 03:00, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Someone should also clarify to whether this is an actual sub-species or just a race... | :Someone should also clarify to whether this is an actual sub-species or just a race...'''[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup>''' 03:42, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
:Even if it's not a different subspecies, the Skirmishers fill a different role than regular Kig-Yar. We still have articles for different roles and ranks like [[Kig-Yar Ranger]], [[Kig-Yar Sniper]], [[Kig-Yar Minor]], etc. Thus, this deserves its own article even if it isn't a different species.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | :Even if it's not a different subspecies, the Skirmishers fill a different role than regular Kig-Yar. We still have articles for different roles and ranks like [[Kig-Yar Ranger]], [[Kig-Yar Sniper]], [[Kig-Yar Minor]], etc. Thus, this deserves its own article even if it isn't a different species.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 06:31, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Per Jugus, different rank and role than other Kig-Yar. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 16:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | :Per Jugus, different rank and role than other Kig-Yar. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 16:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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ehhh the skirmishers look differnt i meen u can definitly see the resebleince but still they also look like dinos in a way | ehhh the skirmishers look differnt i meen u can definitly see the resebleince but still they also look like dinos in a way | ||
:Well considering they are "Cousins" of the [[Kig-yar]] race, they could be a less evolved race considering their appearance and they prefer CQB style fighting which is something mostly any Jackal would avoid against a [[SPARTAN-II]] or a [[SPARTAN-III]]. This could explain the Carbine-Needler hybrid which in my opinion, is a crude hybrid the Skirmishers created to better suite their own purpose and since this design could be against the Covenant Heirarchy, The Prophets would banned this (not saying its canon, just saying). If you read about the [[ | :Well considering they are "Cousins" of the [[Kig-yar]] race, they could be a less evolved race considering their appearance and they prefer CQB style fighting which is something mostly any Jackal would avoid against a [[SPARTAN-II]] or a [[SPARTAN-III]]. This could explain the Carbine-Needler hybrid which in my opinion, is a crude hybrid the Skirmishers created to better suite their own purpose and since this design could be against the Covenant Heirarchy, The Prophets would banned this (not saying its canon, just saying). If you read about the [[Paegaas Workshop Spiker]], you would see a small hint of my piont. The Brutes created the Spiker as their own crude invention but the only reason why I think it wasn't banned is because the Prophets would not want their own army of Brutes to berserk against them. Also please watch your spelling and sign your posts.--[[User talk:Ashing shot|ASEC]] 03:14, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
They are actually shown in recent screenshots that they are weilding Plasma Pistols and Needlers. '''Halo 111777''' | They are actually shown in recent screenshots that they are weilding Plasma Pistols and Needlers. '''Halo 111777''' | ||
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POssible that a cataclysmic event happened at hom, destroying them, and thus leaving those on reach as the last ones. Or, they might be newcomers to the covenant, and seceded? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 08:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | POssible that a cataclysmic event happened at hom, destroying them, and thus leaving those on reach as the last ones. Or, they might be newcomers to the covenant, and seceded? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 08:00, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I think the implication is that almost ''all'' Skirmishers were used at Reach, and that the process of its fall saw them wiped out by humanity's spirited defence. -- | I think the implication is that almost ''all'' Skirmishers were used at Reach, and that the process of its fall saw them wiped out by humanity's spirited defence. -- '''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''<u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u>''''' 12:09, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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it's actually true, they are the same race, bungie said it, the pages for Skirmishers and Jackals should be merged [[Special:Contributions/159.250.29.4|159.250.29.4]] 17:22, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | it's actually true, they are the same race, bungie said it, the pages for Skirmishers and Jackals should be merged [[Special:Contributions/159.250.29.4|159.250.29.4]] 17:22, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I agree, it should be merged and the sub-species factor be noted on the Kig-yar page --[[ | I agree, it should be merged and the sub-species factor be noted on the Kig-yar page --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#FF0000><<LOMI</font>]], [[wikia:halofanon:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC0000>The Lord of Fanon</font>]]. [[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#770000>Praise My Name</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#440000>And Behold All My Holy Deeds>></font>]]<br />22:48, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
They should be merged. Skirmishers and Jackals are the same species just different races. That above quote proves this. [[User talk:OniLink|OniLink]] 04:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC) | They should be merged. Skirmishers and Jackals are the same species just different races. That above quote proves this. [[User talk:OniLink|OniLink]] 04:45, August 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Well, chihuahua's and dobermans are both dogs, but they're different species of dogs. We don't call one "dog" and the other one "dog sub-species". One can't be the master racce. This is the same with Kig-Yar and Skirmishers. we know they're related, but I don't think we can sum up that Kig-Yar are the master race. This is just like saying one race of humans is a sub-species of another race, which we never do in real life. <font color="lime">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | ::Well, chihuahua's and dobermans are both dogs, but they're different species of dogs. We don't call one "dog" and the other one "dog sub-species". One can't be the master racce. This is the same with Kig-Yar and Skirmishers. we know they're related, but I don't think we can sum up that Kig-Yar are the master race. This is just like saying one race of humans is a sub-species of another race, which we never do in real life. <font color="lime">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::So, would they be considered as a [[wikipedia: | :::So, would they be considered as a [[wikipedia:Race (biology)|race]] or a sub-species? Based on the description released by Bungie, it appears they are showing the physical differences between the two organisms and as such suggests that they are more of a race and not a species. But, again... I'm no biologist.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:12, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::No, you're wrong. They're the exact same species, Canis familiarus. They are not separate species because you can breed a chihuahua and a Doberman. In this case Kig-Yar would be the blanket race term like the word dog, and Jackal and Skirmisher would be sub-sets like the Doberman and the chihuahua. I'm not proposing a deletion or a merger with the Jackal page, just that Skirmisher be reclassified as a rank, like Sniper or Major. It even sounds like a rank - Covenant race names tend to describe their place in Covenant society (Prophets, Elites, Engineers, Grunts) or just how humans perceive them (Brutes, Drones, Hunters, Jackals). Skirmisher really doesn't do either of these. As a combat rank name, on the other hand, it would describe their role perfectly.{{Unsigned|Flayer92}} | :::No, you're wrong. They're the exact same species, Canis familiarus. They are not separate species because you can breed a chihuahua and a Doberman. In this case Kig-Yar would be the blanket race term like the word dog, and Jackal and Skirmisher would be sub-sets like the Doberman and the chihuahua. I'm not proposing a deletion or a merger with the Jackal page, just that Skirmisher be reclassified as a rank, like Sniper or Major. It even sounds like a rank - Covenant race names tend to describe their place in Covenant society (Prophets, Elites, Engineers, Grunts) or just how humans perceive them (Brutes, Drones, Hunters, Jackals). Skirmisher really doesn't do either of these. As a combat rank name, on the other hand, it would describe their role perfectly.{{Unsigned|Flayer92}} | ||
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They also were using plasma pistol's,and they dont use beam rifles there a sub species specializing in close combat | They also were using plasma pistol's,and they dont use beam rifles there a sub species specializing in close combat | ||
:Those are Needle Rifles (not Needler Rifles btw). <big> | :Those are Needle Rifles (not Needler Rifles btw). <big>'''<font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:3vil D3m0n|<font color="red">3vil</font>]] [[User talk:3vil D3m0n|<font color="blue">D3m0n</font>]]</font>'''</big> '''''<sup><font face="Comic Sans MS">[[Special:Contributions/3vil D3m0n|<font color="green">Don't worry, I'm not really evil...</font>]]</font></sup>''''' 07:34, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
oh, sorry.[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|StalkerGrunt117]] 14:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | oh, sorry.[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|StalkerGrunt117]] 14:36, February 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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In the picture on the halo reach page with some Skirmishers, the one in front has three legs! {{Unsigned|Roberthaha}} | In the picture on the halo reach page with some Skirmishers, the one in front has three legs! {{Unsigned|Roberthaha}} | ||
:Must have overlapped another one. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|12:33, 3 May | :Must have overlapped another one. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|12:33, 3 May 2010}} | ||
== Source? == | == Source? == | ||
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The third trivia section says that it's been hinted that Skirmishers were wiped out at the Fall of Reach. Regardless of whether or not they were, the source it cites says nothing like this at all. Since it's remained like this for months now, is there something I missed in there that says that, or do I have permission to change it?[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 18:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC) | The third trivia section says that it's been hinted that Skirmishers were wiped out at the Fall of Reach. Regardless of whether or not they were, the source it cites says nothing like this at all. Since it's remained like this for months now, is there something I missed in there that says that, or do I have permission to change it?[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 18:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:To avoid any potential future issue, just tag a [[Template: | :To avoid any potential future issue, just tag a [[Template:Citation needed|Citation needed template]] at the end of the sentence.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:15, June 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Rank == | == Rank == | ||
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Does anyone else think they could be female kig-yar? [[User talk:Tentacletornado|Tentacletornado]] 18:24, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | Does anyone else think they could be female kig-yar? [[User talk:Tentacletornado|Tentacletornado]] 18:24, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Nope, not at all. Read the posts above on this talk page. Skirmishers are simply 'specialists' of the kig-yar. The larger-sized specimens of kig-yar are more likely to be selected to enter this specialist group of close-combat skirmishers. | :Nope, not at all. Read the posts above on this talk page. Skirmishers are simply 'specialists' of the kig-yar. The larger-sized specimens of kig-yar are more likely to be selected to enter this specialist group of close-combat skirmishers. | ||
:The new update on intel of ordnace and intel on bungie.net will prove confirm just about everything on this talk page. | :The new update on intel of ordnace and intel on bungie.net will prove confirm just about everything on this talk page. | ||
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== Organization? == | == Organization? == | ||
Since Skirmishers are a subspecies of Kig-Yar, shouldn't this page be similar to a species page instead of a Covenant rank page? For example, the [[ | Since Skirmishers are a subspecies of Kig-Yar, shouldn't this page be similar to a species page instead of a Covenant rank page? For example, the [[Sedaaro Forerunner]]s are a subspecies of Forerunners and their page has a species layout. [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 15:57, 4 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
== Name use == | == Name use == | ||
Am I the only one who considers it sort of improper to use the race's name "T'vaoan" in the titles of the Skirmisher military ranks/classes? For instance, consider this sentence from the recently retitled [[T'vaoan Minor]] article: ''"The T'vaoan Minor is the lowest rank of the T'vaoans, a branch of shock troops consisting of larger Kig-Yar."'' But the T'vaoans aren't a branch of shock troops, they're the subspecies of which the shock troops known as Skirmishers consisted. While it makes sense to use the formal name T'vaoan in this article, since it was refocused on the subspecies rather than the military unit, it would be more natural to retain the "Skirmisher" epithet in the military ranks, given the subtle but extant distinction between the names. Hence, the name Skirmisher would be used to refer to the troops fielded by the Covenant, while "T'vaoan" would be applied to individuals of the subspecies in contexts independent of the Covenant (e.g. [[Tek]], [[Chol Von]]). It's no different from the distinction between "Human" and "Marine". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | Am I the only one who considers it sort of improper to use the race's name "T'vaoan" in the titles of the Skirmisher military ranks/classes? For instance, consider this sentence from the recently retitled [[T'vaoan Minor]] article: ''"The T'vaoan Minor is the lowest rank of the T'vaoans, a branch of shock troops consisting of larger Kig-Yar."'' But the T'vaoans aren't a branch of shock troops, they're the subspecies of which the shock troops known as Skirmishers consisted. While it makes sense to use the formal name T'vaoan in this article, since it was refocused on the subspecies rather than the military unit, it would be more natural to retain the "Skirmisher" epithet in the military ranks, given the subtle but extant distinction between the names. Hence, the name Skirmisher would be used to refer to the troops fielded by the Covenant, while "T'vaoan" would be applied to individuals of the subspecies in contexts independent of the Covenant (e.g. [[Tek]], [[Chol Von]]). It's no different from the distinction between "Human" and "Marine". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:08, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
:{{Support}} Also, my understanding is that they are still considered as Kig-Yar. Their current name, T'vaoan, is just a reference of their place of origin, T'vao.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:12, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | :{{Support}} Also, my understanding is that they are still considered as Kig-Yar. Their current name, T'vaoan, is just a reference of their place of origin, T'vao.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:12, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
::They are definitely still Kig-Yar; ''Mortal Dictata'' refers to the Jackals as "common Kig-Yar" in comparison. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | ::They are definitely still Kig-Yar; ''Mortal Dictata'' refers to the Jackals as "common Kig-Yar" in comparison. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 11:26, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
:{{Support}} As per above. [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 11:23, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | :{{Support}} As per above. [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 11:23, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | ||
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Rereading mortal dictata and it's description of T'vaoan kig-yar ("Male Kig-Yar from T'vao had much heavier upper body plumage than other Kig-Yar. Females from T'vao had a ruff of feathers on their heads and necks instead of scales") got me to notice that minors and majors possess heavy plumage on their arms, while commandos only have feathers on their heads. Could it be that the skirmisher commandos are female? Just a thought. {{Unsigned|47.54.65.250}} | Rereading mortal dictata and it's description of T'vaoan kig-yar ("Male Kig-Yar from T'vao had much heavier upper body plumage than other Kig-Yar. Females from T'vao had a ruff of feathers on their heads and necks instead of scales") got me to notice that minors and majors possess heavy plumage on their arms, while commandos only have feathers on their heads. Could it be that the skirmisher commandos are female? Just a thought. {{Unsigned|47.54.65.250}} | ||
:I believe that the lack of feathers on their bodies appears to be the result of additional armor that covers their feathers. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 00:21, 5 January 2016 (EST) | :I believe that the lack of feathers on their bodies appears to be the result of additional armor that covers their feathers. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 00:21, 5 January 2016 (EST) | ||
==Extinct== | |||
"According to [http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/2600/First+Look%3A+Halo+Reach/ an article by Game Reactor], [[Bungie]] told them in an interview that the T'vaoan race "went extinct during the battles that took place on Reach." However, there is no concrete proof that Bungie said this, or that Game Reactor did not simply misinterpret what was being said. Regardless, numerous pieces of ''Halo'' media disprove this dubious claim and show that T'vaoans exist in the post-war period." | |||
Removed the following note from the article. It honestly is just unreliable and fans sourced it as fact.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 15:09, August 7, 2021 (EDT) | |||
==Splitting T'vaoan and Skirmisher pages?== | |||
"According to the [https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/canon-fodder-legendary-endings/ newest Canon Fodder], the upcoming new edition of the Halo Encyclopedia makes it clear that skirmishers and T'vaoans are not necessarily one and the same, and Ruuhtians can and do occupy the role. [[User:Sombraptor|Sombraptor]] ([[User talk:Sombraptor|talk]]) 16:36, December 13, 2021 (EST) | |||
:On my way. I'm splitting both pages. [[User:Ynoss|Ynoss]] ([[User talk:Ynoss|talk]]) 06:53, December 16, 2021 (EST) | |||
::I would wait a little on this. We're still discussing on the Discord how to handle this properly.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 06:56, December 16, 2021 (EST) | |||