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Even in the Halo 3 instruction manual, it says that the Master Chief is the only Spartan-II left. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere, since the games are considered 'more canon' than the books. | Even in the Halo 3 instruction manual, it says that the Master Chief is the only Spartan-II left. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere, since the games are considered 'more canon' than the books. | ||
There is no such thing as "more canon." Bungie accepts the novels as canon, and Spartans still exist in those works (albeit no longer in the fight), so John is the last ACTIVE member. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' | There is no such thing as "more canon." Bungie accepts the novels as canon, and Spartans still exist in those works (albeit no longer in the fight), so John is the last ACTIVE member. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
The game just wants to make you feel more like the Master Chief is saving the day. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''<font color="Silver">'''Master'''</font><font color="DarkGray">'''Chief'''</font><font color="Gray">Petty</font><font color="DimGray">Officer</font>''']]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution</font>]]</sub> 13:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | The game just wants to make you feel more like the Master Chief is saving the day. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''<font color="Silver">'''Master'''</font><font color="DarkGray">'''Chief'''</font><font color="Gray">Petty</font><font color="DimGray">Officer</font>''']]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution</font>]]</sub> 13:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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=== When The Spartan-II Program went public === | === When The Spartan-II Program went public === | ||
Yes, I do know when the [[Spartan-II|Spartan-II Program]] went public, [[2547]]. I've added a section in this article about it, as well as created a page on [[2547]] after reading about when it went public in [[Halo: Ghost of Onyx]]. | Yes, I do know when the [[Spartan-II|Spartan-II Program]] went public, [[2547]]. I've added a section in this article about it, as well as created a page on [[2547]] after reading about when it went public in [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx|Halo: Ghost of Onyx]]. | ||
[[User:SpartanMartin|SpartanMartin]] 23:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC) | [[User:SpartanMartin|SpartanMartin]] 23:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
===There is some discrepancy on this=== | ===There is some discrepancy on this=== | ||
In [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], Catherine Halsey agrees to make the SPARTAN-II program public on the condition that the origins of the SPARTAN-II's are kept top secret. However, Major Silva seems to know all about the origins of the SPARTAN-II's in [[Halo: The Flood]], during his confrontation with the Chief. In addition, members of the Rubble taunted the Gray team about their origins way back in the mid-2530's in [[The Cole Protocol]]. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 20:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | In [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], Catherine Halsey agrees to make the SPARTAN-II program public on the condition that the origins of the SPARTAN-II's are kept top secret. However, Major Silva seems to know all about the origins of the SPARTAN-II's in [[Halo: The Flood]], during his confrontation with the Chief. In addition, members of the Rubble taunted the Gray team about their origins way back in the mid-2530's in [[Halo: The Cole Protocol]]. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 20:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
==number inacuracy== | ==number inacuracy== | ||
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== Kirk and Rene tags? == | == Kirk and Rene tags? == | ||
When did these show up? I've never heard of them having tags before, and their pages don't give reference to tags --[[ | When did these show up? I've never heard of them having tags before, and their pages don't give reference to tags --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 21:33, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::These showed up as an Easter Egg in ODST. The discovery was made by Avateur at HBO and Omega was the one who began taking what was known and piecing the eggs together to come up with a very solid reference http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=944044. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 22:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ::These showed up as an Easter Egg in ODST. The discovery was made by Avateur at HBO and Omega was the one who began taking what was known and piecing the eggs together to come up with a very solid reference http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=944044. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 22:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::They should not yet be confirmed as official until clarification from Bungie or 343 Studios. [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] 09:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | :::They should not yet be confirmed as official until clarification from Bungie or 343 Studios. [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] 09:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Can you tell me where to find these easter eggs in game? --[[ | Can you tell me where to find these easter eggs in game? --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 19:31, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::They are on every vehicle you see in the game just go to the back of the vehicle and look where the license plate would be. There are 29 total plates that are randomly generated each time a new session begins. And just for clarification, the warthog does not contain any of the license plate eggs so don't bother looking. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | :::They are on every vehicle you see in the game just go to the back of the vehicle and look where the license plate would be. There are 29 total plates that are randomly generated each time a new session begins. And just for clarification, the warthog does not contain any of the license plate eggs so don't bother looking. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Thanks, I'll be sure to check them out --[[ | Thanks, I'll be sure to check them out --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 22:57, October 13, 2009 (UTC) | ||
'''Please note:''' Kirk and Rene tags are apparently mentioned in the Halo Encyclopedia to be '''Kirk-018''' and '''Rene-005''', I am assuming the Halo Encyclopedia is more canon than the unconfirmed easter eggs, therefore James' number is still unknown. Please edit. --cv. | '''Please note:''' Kirk and Rene tags are apparently mentioned in the Halo Encyclopedia to be '''Kirk-018''' and '''Rene-005''', I am assuming the Halo Encyclopedia is more canon than the unconfirmed easter eggs, therefore James' number is still unknown. Please edit. --cv. | ||
:See: [[Talk:Halo Encyclopedia]].-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:46, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | :See: [[Talk:Halo Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to the Halo Universe]].-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:46, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== After the war... == | == After the war... == | ||
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I'm talking about the Superintendent symbol that's a link to the ODST game, and there was nothing about the SPARTAN II program in that game, no mentioning, nothing. ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 20:16, November 7, 2009 (UTC)) | I'm talking about the Superintendent symbol that's a link to the ODST game, and there was nothing about the SPARTAN II program in that game, no mentioning, nothing. ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 20:16, November 7, 2009 (UTC)) | ||
:I'm confused.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 20:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | :I'm confused.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 20:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::The guy is asking why there is an ERA-H3R at the top of the page, when SPARTANS are clearly not in Halo 3: '''ODST'''. I'm removing it. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] | ::The guy is asking why there is an ERA-H3R at the top of the page, when SPARTANS are clearly not in Halo 3: '''ODST'''. I'm removing it. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 20:22, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Bah. Freaking page is locked D:< --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] | ::Bah. Freaking page is locked D:< --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 20:23, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::There are license plates on some of the cars that have easter eggs on them. These include numbers and letters that obviously represent some of the Spartans and other things in the world of halo.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 23:25, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | :::There are license plates on some of the cars that have easter eggs on them. These include numbers and letters that obviously represent some of the Spartans and other things in the world of halo.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 23:25, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Done.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | :Done.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Another thing for a staffer: I just realized the S-II's train for '''''7''''' years --[[ | Another thing for a staffer: I just realized the S-II's train for '''''7''''' years --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 21:04, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Add it to the [[7]] article. This article doesn't need such silly reference. :P- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | :Add it to the [[Seven|7]] article. This article doesn't need such silly reference. :P- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Number == | == Number == | ||
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:::Well, the supporters of Class II take ILBs as confirmation, simply based on Yasmine's birth and conscription date. I personally do not believe that Class II exists, nor do I think that ILBs is canon.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:26, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | :::Well, the supporters of Class II take ILBs as confirmation, simply based on Yasmine's birth and conscription date. I personally do not believe that Class II exists, nor do I think that ILBs is canon.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:26, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::: | ::::ILB_Has been confirmed as canon, to my understanding. I take it Yasmine is/was a Spartan? --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 03:45, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::According to the Halo encyclopedia, Yasmine was class 1.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:48, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | :::::According to the Halo encyclopedia, Yasmine was class 1.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:48, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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The page is locked so somebody who can put this in please. In Halo Wars if a Spartan dies sometimes a Marine nearby will shout "Listed as MIA" | The page is locked so somebody who can put this in please. In Halo Wars if a Spartan dies sometimes a Marine nearby will shout "Listed as MIA" | ||
:Uh... no. What significance does that quote have?<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:54, December 18, 2009 (UTC) | :Uh... no. What significance does that quote have?<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:54, December 18, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::It's a reference to the [[Spartan MIA Protocol]], and it shows that some Marines were aware of or at least guessed its existence. Actually, it should probably be mentioned on that page if anywhere. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 22:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC) | ::It's a reference to the [[Office of Naval Intelligence Directive 930|Spartan MIA Protocol]], and it shows that some Marines were aware of or at least guessed its existence. Actually, it should probably be mentioned on that page if anywhere. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 22:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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To be seriously honest here, please do not make multiple revertions (Yes, that's a neologism) if you think a user's contribution is wrong, '''''start a talk page discussion'''''... and this is especially towards ECHOSTREAMJOSH. SPARTAN-IIs do not have any choice to not be a SPARTAN-II. If they do, why were they in the program? To say '''''"The discharged section is for "Spartans who became too wounded to continue active service after failed augmentation procedures.""''''' is just a poor reasoning. We do not know what happened to Ralph-303 after he returned to Halsey's halls of terror. What we do know is that years after their failed escape, Daisy became a SPARTAN and Ralph became a Marine. Now, using established information, those who successfully augmented became SPARTAN-IIs and those who didn't (by means of suffering injuries/deformities) are left to ONI. A candidate might not suffer any major deformities or major injuries, but he/she could have not been fully augmented like the rest of their peers as Halsey hoped they would. In other words, the augmentation was a failure and it didn't transformed the candidates into super-soldiers. Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever. Now, going back to Ralph; it is strongly suggested that Ralph was one of these discharged SPARTAN candidates as he wasn't in the clad MJOLNIR armour and that he was relatively a normal 5'10" human as oppose to the 7' SPARTANs (Height comparison between him and the Sergeant).- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | To be seriously honest here, please do not make multiple revertions (Yes, that's a neologism) if you think a user's contribution is wrong, '''''start a talk page discussion'''''... and this is especially towards ECHOSTREAMJOSH. SPARTAN-IIs do not have any choice to not be a SPARTAN-II. If they do, why were they in the program? To say '''''"The discharged section is for "Spartans who became too wounded to continue active service after failed augmentation procedures.""''''' is just a poor reasoning. We do not know what happened to Ralph-303 after he returned to Halsey's halls of terror. What we do know is that years after their failed escape, Daisy became a SPARTAN and Ralph became a Marine. Now, using established information, those who successfully augmented became SPARTAN-IIs and those who didn't (by means of suffering injuries/deformities) are left to ONI. A candidate might not suffer any major deformities or major injuries, but he/she could have not been fully augmented like the rest of their peers as Halsey hoped they would. In other words, the augmentation was a failure and it didn't transformed the candidates into super-soldiers. Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever. Now, going back to Ralph; it is strongly suggested that Ralph was one of these discharged SPARTAN candidates as he wasn't in the clad MJOLNIR armour and that he was relatively a normal 5'10" human as oppose to the 7' SPARTANs (Height comparison between him and the Sergeant).- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:One thing I must point out, is that Ralph and Daisy's escape was ''after'' the augmentation procedures. - | :One thing I must point out, is that Ralph and Daisy's escape was ''after'' the augmentation procedures. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:54, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever.|After edit-conflict.}} | {{Quote|Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever.|After edit-conflict.}} | ||
::As per quote above.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:59, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ::As per quote above.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:59, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Is it 252 or 052? He is listed twice with both of those numbers. --[[User talk:Revan's Exile|Revan's Exile]] 20:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | Is it 252 or 052? He is listed twice with both of those numbers. --[[User talk:Revan's Exile|Revan's Exile]] 20:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
His profile on Bnet's Halo: Reach page says, "Jorge-'''0'''52", so I'd go with that, unless they say otherwise. | His profile on Bnet's Halo: Reach page says, "Jorge-'''0'''52", so I'd go with that, unless they say otherwise. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 20:17, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::His official tag is SPARTAN-052 which lines up with the canon of the first class of the SPARTAN-II Program. Anything else is just an error. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | ::His official tag is SPARTAN-052 which lines up with the canon of the first class of the SPARTAN-II Program. Anything else is just an error. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||