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Does anyone know which Game Informer interview it was that stated the M45 being more powerful than the M90. If so, could you put it in as a reference, becuase currently it just makes the article look messy. --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span><span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,''' | Does anyone know which Game Informer interview it was that stated the M45 being more powerful than the M90. If so, could you put it in as a reference, becuase currently it just makes the article look messy. --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span><span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] <span style=font-family: ;"> 22:11, July 26, 2010 (UTC)</span> | ||
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::::Not true, the M90A and M45E both exist in canon, and are both different weapons, even if they perform the same for gameplay. Gameplay performance =/= canon, real shotguns shoot farther than 15 feet, and no shotgun has a choke as bad as the newer games. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:14, 23 October 2011 (EDT) | ::::Not true, the M90A and M45E both exist in canon, and are both different weapons, even if they perform the same for gameplay. Gameplay performance =/= canon, real shotguns shoot farther than 15 feet, and no shotgun has a choke as bad as the newer games. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:14, 23 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::Especially because this is '''500 years in the friggin' future'''! In the actual canon, I would be disappointed if Shotgun-ranges were anything LESS than that of a modern pistol, if not more accurate. Vegerot goes RAWR! | ::::Especially because this is '''500 years in the friggin' future'''! In the actual canon, I would be disappointed if Shotgun-ranges were anything LESS than that of a modern pistol, if not more accurate. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 14:31, 23 October 2011 (EDT)! | ||
:::::It does not matter if it were 2000 years in the future, the very nature of a shotgun (sending multiple projectiles out of one barrel with each trigger pull) means that effective range is likely going to be less (though not by much, and it is exaggerated in the games for gameplay reasons) than what a pistol will have to offer. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 18:31, 16 June 2012 (EDT) | :::::It does not matter if it were 2000 years in the future, the very nature of a shotgun (sending multiple projectiles out of one barrel with each trigger pull) means that effective range is likely going to be less (though not by much, and it is exaggerated in the games for gameplay reasons) than what a pistol will have to offer. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 18:31, 16 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
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Shouldn't the M45D get it's own page?[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 20:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | Shouldn't the M45D get it's own page?[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 20:14, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
:I guess not, since an article made for it was [http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=M45D_Tactical_Shotgun&diff=994570&oldid=994566 redirected] to this page. In my opinion, one sentence isn't enough for an article anyway.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 20:32, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | :I guess not, since an article made for it was [http://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=M45D_Tactical_Shotgun&diff=994570&oldid=994566 redirected] to this page. In my opinion, one sentence isn't enough for an article anyway.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 20:32, 11 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
:Variants usually don't have their own page. Since the Halo 2 sniper is a variant of the Halo 1 sniper, they are on [[Sniper Rifle System 99C-S2 Anti-Matériel|the same page]]. I guess weapon variants get their own page only when they are [[M7057/Defoliant Projector|long enough]]. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :Variants usually don't have their own page. Since the Halo 2 sniper is a variant of the Halo 1 sniper, they are on [[Sniper Rifle System 99C-S2 Anti-Matériel|the same page]]. I guess weapon variants get their own page only when they are [[M7057/Defoliant Projector|long enough]]. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 04:35, 12 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
It ''depends''. The rationale is that "as long as the variant provides a similar gameplay experience as the original model, the variant would not have its own page". Length, while a small factor to consider, is largely irrelevant. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 19:45, 12 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
::MA5B, MA5C, MA5D and M6C, M6D, M6G and M6H. No different than M45 and M45D[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:17, 13 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::M45 is not a series. MA5 and M6 are series. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 00:18, 14 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::What? All MA5s are MA5s, just like all M45s are M45s, same with M6s, etc. It's the same. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:09, 14 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::::The ones listed by ArchedThunder are variants of the original. For example, the MA5 rifle is the original; since it is modular, it can be configured for a B-variant (60 rounds), C-variant (32 rounds) or D-variant (not sure how this is different from C); all of which capable of owing to different gameplay experience... however little difference it is. This also applies to the M6 PDWS (not modular, but each variant is tailored for a specific role, capable of owing to different gameplay experience). This is, to say, different to the M45 since the two variants offer no difference in terms of gameplay; it is however aesthetically different but that is not noteworthy to award its own article. Of course, this is simply a Doylist approach; a Watsonian take on this would consider if there is a great historical significance of the weapon, such as that of the MA37.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:27, 14 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::::::How would you know that the M45D has no difference in gameplay?{{Unsigned|ArchedThunder}} | |||
''(reset indent)'' The current collection of gameplay videos (from what I've seen that is) seem to suggest that the shotgun's performance is similar to the one in ''Reach''. The tweaks as suggested by Chris is hardly noticeable. Again, what matters in this current case is gameplay experience (what the player experiences) and not gameplay changes (the technical changes in gameplay). The M45E is a special exception to this since it is only a replacement model for the M90 in HCEA (to which I still don't understand how it works in canon).— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:02, 31 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
I'd like to bring this back into the limelight. Seeing as we have pages for many of the M6 series weapons that only have "1 sentence". Aka would make image sorting a whole load more easier.- [[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 19:04, 17 July 2016 (EDT) | |||