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This article previously had a picture of Harvest prior to glassing. I believe it would be better to make this the main image while the new destruction image is inserted into the Battle of Harvest section to serve as an aftermath photo. Could use some feedback.[[Special:Contributions/71.192.134.75|71.192.134.75]] 22:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | This article previously had a picture of Harvest prior to glassing. I believe it would be better to make this the main image while the new destruction image is inserted into the Battle of Harvest section to serve as an aftermath photo. Could use some feedback.[[Special:Contributions/71.192.134.75|71.192.134.75]] 22:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
:As it turns out, that was actually Arcadia before it had been announced. Everyone just assumed it was Harvest. Besides that fact, the glassed version is more accurate, and reflects its "present" state. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | :As it turns out, that was actually Arcadia before it had been announced. Everyone just assumed it was Harvest. Besides that fact, the glassed version is more accurate, and reflects its "present" state. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 11:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Gravity== | ==Gravity== | ||
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:''Contact Harvest'' is the definitive source of information on the planet, so we should continue to use 300,000 as the canon population while noting the three million count given in ''The Fall of Reach'', ''Boot Camp'', and ''The Essential Visual Guide''. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 10:36, 8 October 2011 (EDT) | :''Contact Harvest'' is the definitive source of information on the planet, so we should continue to use 300,000 as the canon population while noting the three million count given in ''The Fall of Reach'', ''Boot Camp'', and ''The Essential Visual Guide''. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 10:36, 8 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Okay, is it three million or three hundred thousand? Because now the article says three million. What is the definitive answer to this discrepancy?[[User:262VigilantGuardian|262VigilantGuardian]] ([[User talk:262VigilantGuardian|talk]]) 16:12, 4 December 2014 (EST) | |||
:::When we were working on the Essential Visual Guide, this discrepancy was known and was discussed. It was decided to make a definitive call on that matter in that publication, despite the Contact Harvest error. We went with the original source as the correct value. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:44, 5 December 2014 (EST) | |||
==Distance Discrepancy== | ==Distance Discrepancy== | ||
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It's a discrepancy, plain and simple. Going by real world star distances, Harvest is only 0.5 light years further from Earth than Reach. So yeah, I don't think there is a proper explanation for this, other than that the author who originally placed Harvest in Epsilon Indi (Staten was the first, I think) didn't bother to put much thought to real-world astronomy.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:51, 31 January 2012 (EST) | It's a discrepancy, plain and simple. Going by real world star distances, Harvest is only 0.5 light years further from Earth than Reach. So yeah, I don't think there is a proper explanation for this, other than that the author who originally placed Harvest in Epsilon Indi (Staten was the first, I think) didn't bother to put much thought to real-world astronomy.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:51, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
:I haven't read Contact Harvest in a while, but I would suggest two factors to resolve this discrepancy - firstly, perhaps civilian transportation is not as state-of-the-art as military transportation; secondly, since contact with the Covenant I would imagine that slipspace navigation, as with all technologies, would benefit from analysis and reverse-engineering of alien technology. What took weeks by the start of the war would take a few days by the end of the war. I don't know about exact specifics here, but it sounds reasonable to me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I haven't read Contact Harvest in a while, but I would suggest two factors to resolve this discrepancy - firstly, perhaps civilian transportation is not as state-of-the-art as military transportation; secondly, since contact with the Covenant I would imagine that slipspace navigation, as with all technologies, would benefit from analysis and reverse-engineering of alien technology. What took weeks by the start of the war would take a few days by the end of the war. I don't know about exact specifics here, but it sounds reasonable to me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:18, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
::I think Harvest was only ever described as the most distant colony in ''Contact Harvest''. Before then, it was simply "remote". To reinforce Specops, perhaps Harvest is at the end of a "road less travelled" that's a slow, convoluted, or difficult route that restricts traffic (that massive Forerunner [[Relic]] on Harvest might have something to do with it). In any case, most freighters would probably only turn up at around harvest time to buy all the crops, and between then the planet has little to offer investors or tourists.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 02:57, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ::I think Harvest was only ever described as the most distant colony in ''Contact Harvest''. Before then, it was simply "remote". To reinforce Specops, perhaps Harvest is at the end of a "road less travelled" that's a slow, convoluted, or difficult route that restricts traffic (that massive Forerunner [[Relic (location)|relic]] on Harvest might have something to do with it). In any case, most freighters would probably only turn up at around harvest time to buy all the crops, and between then the planet has little to offer investors or tourists.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 02:57, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
:::I'm reminded of the concept of "hyperspace routes" in Star Wars - established paths that are safe to use that, if strayed from, can be catastrophic. Perhaps the [[UNSC Astronavigation]] department has its job cut out for it scanning star systems for safe slipspace entry/exit points, mapping and updating the quantum fluctuations of slipspace, and so on, producing long routes that put Harvest at the end of it? | :::I'm reminded of the concept of "hyperspace routes" in Star Wars - established paths that are safe to use that, if strayed from, can be catastrophic. Perhaps the [[UNSC Astronavigation]] department has its job cut out for it scanning star systems for safe slipspace entry/exit points, mapping and updating the quantum fluctuations of slipspace, and so on, producing long routes that put Harvest at the end of it? | ||
:::We also assume Inner Colonies occupy a certain radius around Earth, and that outside of that are Outer colonies, but we already have the Third/Developing/First World situation as an example that spatial distribution doesn't always equate to economic success. For example, geographically we generalise that the First World is the northern hemisphere, and the Third World is the southern hemisphere. Technically, it's all to do with economic factors and international interdependencies, but we think spatially, geographically. In fact, there are eastern European and west Asian third world countries, and both Australia and New Zealand are first world nations. I wonder if Harvest is the exception to a similar rule - the furthest of the Inner Colonies, or perhaps in that transitory state between Inner/Outer status? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :::We also assume Inner Colonies occupy a certain radius around Earth, and that outside of that are Outer colonies, but we already have the Third/Developing/First World situation as an example that spatial distribution doesn't always equate to economic success. For example, geographically we generalise that the First World is the northern hemisphere, and the Third World is the southern hemisphere. Technically, it's all to do with economic factors and international interdependencies, but we think spatially, geographically. In fact, there are eastern European and west Asian third world countries, and both Australia and New Zealand are first world nations. I wonder if Harvest is the exception to a similar rule - the furthest of the Inner Colonies, or perhaps in that transitory state between Inner/Outer status? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:26, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
::::I agree that some sort of explanation based on the fundamentally different geometry of slipspace (perhaps a local anomaly due to the Relic) might work. I also like the idea about slipspace routes and UNSC Astronav having to consistently keep them up to date. Anything of the sort hasn't been described in the fiction, but [[Interstellar jump point|IJPs]] in the CAA factbook seem like a hint in that direction. Also, slipspace has always been the end-all explanation for strange phenomena in the Halo universe so it wouldn't be a first. | ::::I agree that some sort of explanation based on the fundamentally different geometry of slipspace (perhaps a local anomaly due to the Relic) might work. I also like the idea about slipspace routes and UNSC Astronav having to consistently keep them up to date. Anything of the sort hasn't been described in the fiction, but [[Interstellar jump point|IJPs]] in the CAA factbook seem like a hint in that direction. Also, slipspace has always been the end-all explanation for strange phenomena in the Halo universe so it wouldn't be a first. | ||
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I would assume that it is more along the lines of ''"keeping it simple"'' or ''"back to basics"''. Traditional agriculture is simple, requires basic knowledge and low maintenance of equipments, and it provides jobs for the greater majority. Current hydroponics system, from what I know, requires greater knowledge of operating and maintaining the equipments compared to traditional farming. You can do away with this requirement by having an AI managing the entire hydroponics system but then this leads to an issue of "'em robots took my job away". — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 00:34, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | I would assume that it is more along the lines of ''"keeping it simple"'' or ''"back to basics"''. Traditional agriculture is simple, requires basic knowledge and low maintenance of equipments, and it provides jobs for the greater majority. Current hydroponics system, from what I know, requires greater knowledge of operating and maintaining the equipments compared to traditional farming. You can do away with this requirement by having an AI managing the entire hydroponics system but then this leads to an issue of "'em robots took my job away". — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 00:34, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
Judging by Contact Harvest and Gage Yevgenny's testimony, farm work is primarily done now by automated Gondolas; chances are farmers mainly maintain the things assuming they aren't simple agrarian yeoman (or yeowomen) types. So it's still, "Fancy-schmanzy AI-controlled vehicles took my job." As for those that would be unemployed by the lack of Gondolas, there is the fact they'd get work by maintaining the hydroponics.{{Unsigned|69.193.53.138}} | |||
== Essential Visual Guide == | |||
Just out of curiosity, I saw that Harvest's image in ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide'' shows more of the planet than any image we have here. I was wondering if the full image exists anywhere or if anyone could perhaps even get a scan of it, if possible. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 11:45, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:[http://wiki.halo.fr/images/4/49/Harvest003.jpg Found this image] on the French ''Halo'' wiki, which is what I'm looking for. Although of higher quality and possibly without the yellow line. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 18:31, 16 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::One of my biggest regrets is not screencapping any of the [[Halo Wars Launch Site]] which had a rotating Harvest. That would of been the best post-glassing image we could of had. --[[User:CIA391|CIA391]]''<sup>[[User talk:CIA391|(talk)]] 23:35, 16 January 2016 (GMT) | |||
:::Ah man, that would have been sweet. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 19:03, 16 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::True. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 20:47, 16 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::::I have the raw Visual Guide image. The planet is only about 393 pixels wide though so it's not a large image at all. If it's desirable even at that small size I would have to ask 343i if I could release it. The one from the French site must've been scanned larger than the resolution of the original image, but the one I have doesn't have the yellow callout line. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 10:04, 17 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::While it is nice to have a larger image when possible, in my opinion it isn't a huge deal as long as it is wider than 300 pixels (to fit properly in the infobox). If you could get the permission, that would be awesome, as long as it's not too much trouble to do so. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 10:07, 17 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::::::I got the go-ahead from 343i to use the Harvest pic. I'll upload and hopefully change the picture right. Feel free to edit my changes if I don't get it right. :) -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 17:27, 19 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::::Oh sweet, awesome, thanks! --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 17:29, 19 January 2016 (EST) | |||
== Image requests == | |||
Some more image requests: if anyone has time, could we get a better picture of Harvest's space elevators from ''Halo 4'', as well as a picture of the city in the background of the map? Cleaning up this article so it would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 18:37, 16 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks Japeth! --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 19:21, 16 August 2016 (EDT) | |||