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Uh your wrong on Forge detonating a reactor he detonated there Slip-Space Drive and there not lost, there trying to get home without a slip-space drive, and it would seem from what Ive unlocked on the Halo Timeline in Halo Wars that only Anders is put in cryo cause it says that Cutter goes and sees the Sprit of Fires doctor and write condolances to families and all such stuff and finally sleeps for the 1st time in 2 weeks... Master Chief Petty Officer Matthew 124 -AKA- Firehawk77 (I tried to sign but it wouldnt work in preview,sry) | Uh your wrong on Forge detonating a reactor he detonated there Slip-Space Drive and there not lost, there trying to get home without a slip-space drive, and it would seem from what Ive unlocked on the Halo Timeline in Halo Wars that only Anders is put in cryo cause it says that Cutter goes and sees the Sprit of Fires doctor and write condolances to families and all such stuff and finally sleeps for the 1st time in 2 weeks... Master Chief Petty Officer Matthew 124 -AKA- Firehawk77 (I tried to sign but it wouldnt work in preview,sry) | ||
Cryo protocol requires all non-essential personnel to go into cryo, to conserve resources and energy that would otherwise be wasted on life support. By non-essential, that would include Professor Anders. A skeleton crew is retained to keep the ship barely running, including the Captain. As for what Forge detonated, it was actually their FTL drive - the Spirit of Fire can still probably enter and exit slipspace, but without an FTL drive, it would be no faster, and a lot less accurate, than just drifting. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | Cryo protocol requires all non-essential personnel to go into cryo, to conserve resources and energy that would otherwise be wasted on life support. By non-essential, that would include Professor Anders. A skeleton crew is retained to keep the ship barely running, including the Captain. As for what Forge detonated, it was actually their FTL drive - the Spirit of Fire can still probably enter and exit slipspace, but without an FTL drive, it would be no faster, and a lot less accurate, than just drifting. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
Administrator Specops306, the Human FTL Drive is a Slipspace Drive. The method of moving faster-than-light is to travel in Slipspace, and speed in Slipspace is determined by the initial velocity of the transitioning craft. And MCPO Matthew, to whom are you addressing your post? I'm genuinely curious.--[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 20:42, 15 March 2011 (EDT) | Administrator Specops306, the Human FTL Drive is a Slipspace Drive. The method of moving faster-than-light is to travel in Slipspace, and speed in Slipspace is determined by the initial velocity of the transitioning craft. And MCPO Matthew, to whom are you addressing your post? I'm genuinely curious.--[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 20:42, 15 March 2011 (EDT) | ||
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::I wouldn't say so, personally. {{unsigned|62.30.140.42}} | ::I wouldn't say so, personally. {{unsigned|62.30.140.42}} | ||
:High Charity had a population of millions, mostly civilian. We see the process of its infection throughout the [[High Charity (Level)|High Charity]] level, and it is ''rapid''. A cut line of Cortana's dialogue mentions the Flood injecting spores into the city's ventillation systems, spreading the infection even faster. By the end of the game, in what we are meant to assume has been mere hours rather than days or weeks, High Charity has been overrun completely by the Flood. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :High Charity had a population of millions, mostly civilian. We see the process of its infection throughout the [[High Charity (Level)|High Charity]] level, and it is ''rapid''. A cut line of Cortana's dialogue mentions the Flood injecting spores into the city's ventillation systems, spreading the infection even faster. By the end of the game, in what we are meant to assume has been mere hours rather than days or weeks, High Charity has been overrun completely by the Flood. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:46, June 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== A Long-Obsolete and False Paragraph == | == A Long-Obsolete and False Paragraph == | ||
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Thanks for helping.--[[User talk:Legionwrex|Legionwrex]] 13:39, 16 January 2011 (EST) | Thanks for helping.--[[User talk:Legionwrex|Legionwrex]] 13:39, 16 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:I haven't read the actual book yet, but from how I've seen it described the "cure" was no such thing - the Precursor provided a gene insertion that made the affected humans unable to be infected, causing the Flood that tried to simply die. It didn't affect the Flood's ability to simply kill them or ignore them, and was very localised. It also meant that anyone with this gene would still die, horribly, though it did cause the Flood's advance to falter, until the Forerunners tore down humanity, and let its onslaught continue. If I'm totally off base, please correct me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I haven't read the actual book yet, but from how I've seen it described the "cure" was no such thing - the Precursor provided a gene insertion that made the affected humans unable to be infected, causing the Flood that tried to simply die. It didn't affect the Flood's ability to simply kill them or ignore them, and was very localised. It also meant that anyone with this gene would still die, horribly, though it did cause the Flood's advance to falter, until the Forerunners tore down humanity, and let its onslaught continue. If I'm totally off base, please correct me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:25, 16 January 2011 (EST) | ||
You're more or less right, except the Precursor had nothing to do with it, and it didn't prevent victims from being infected - it just made the new flood forms die off and spread the "killer gene" to the rest of the Flood. [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 17:17, 19 January 2011 (EST) | You're more or less right, except the Precursor had nothing to do with it, and it didn't prevent victims from being infected - it just made the new flood forms die off and spread the "killer gene" to the rest of the Flood. [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 17:17, 19 January 2011 (EST) | ||
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In Orgins, many of the "Unknown" flood forms are actually from the art of halo, and art of halo 3. Seeing as how these concept forms were discrebed in those books, and now are more or less canon, do they warrent their own pages? http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 13:50, 19 January 2011 (EST) | In Orgins, many of the "Unknown" flood forms are actually from the art of halo, and art of halo 3. Seeing as how these concept forms were discrebed in those books, and now are more or less canon, do they warrent their own pages? http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 13:50, 19 January 2011 (EST) | ||
:Legends occupies a confusing place in canon. The events themselves are canon, but the precise details are subject to a certain "fuzziness" - Daisy, for example, couldn't have been wearing CQB, but the fact that her armour was red is canon. I don't know how Origins works out, since there's really very little there that conflicts with anything, but I'd hold off until we get word from 343i. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Legends occupies a confusing place in canon. The events themselves are canon, but the precise details are subject to a certain "fuzziness" - Daisy, for example, couldn't have been wearing CQB, but the fact that her armour was red is canon. I don't know how Origins works out, since there's really very little there that conflicts with anything, but I'd hold off until we get word from 343i. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:56, 19 January 2011 (EST) | ||
::If I'm not mistaken, those from the Art of Halo and the Art of Halo 3 already have their own articles. ''*points at the Flood template*'' - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:14, 19 January 2011 (EST) | ::If I'm not mistaken, those from the Art of Halo and the Art of Halo 3 already have their own articles. ''*points at the Flood template*'' - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:14, 19 January 2011 (EST) | ||
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==Halo 4 Version== | ==Halo 4 Version== | ||
I don't know what the hell those things are, but i'm not sure they are stricly flood, look at them: no red tentacles from the chest, no reclined head (it looks like it's still in function), no green veins (they are instead crismon colored), and they have some kind of armor (looks like the grunt's skin). They also doesn't look like corpses. Maybe those things are more than "just" flood-infected spartans?!{{Unsigned|SPARTAN-D273}} | I don't know what the hell those things are, but i'm not sure they are stricly flood, look at them: no red tentacles from the chest, no reclined head (it looks like it's still in function), no green veins (they are instead crismon colored), and they have some kind of armor (looks like the grunt's skin). They also doesn't look like corpses. Maybe those things are more than "just" flood-infected spartans?!{{Unsigned|SPARTAN-D273}} | ||
:The information is taken apparently from the October issue of the Xbox Magazine. It is possible (though unlikely) that the magazine editor made a mistake. But I'm going to go ahead and guess that 343i did that for an artistic license or gameplay balance, or UNSC simulation just isn't that accurate. They look like a bunch overgrown Falmers. And that's disgusting. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[ | :The information is taken apparently from the October issue of the Xbox Magazine. It is possible (though unlikely) that the magazine editor made a mistake. But I'm going to go ahead and guess that 343i did that for an artistic license or gameplay balance, or UNSC simulation just isn't that accurate. They look like a bunch overgrown Falmers. And that's disgusting. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 08:55, 26 September 2012 (EDT) | ||
::The Flood forms seen in ''Halo 4'' are infected SPARTAN-IVs. That explains why they are more muscular than those seen in past games, as well as why their protruding bones look so dense. I do see a bit of resemblance to the Falmer, by the way, and their claws remind me of Chaurus pincers. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:56, 26 September 2012 (EDT) | ::The Flood forms seen in ''Halo 4'' are infected SPARTAN-IVs. That explains why they are more muscular than those seen in past games, as well as why their protruding bones look so dense. I do see a bit of resemblance to the Falmer, by the way, and their claws remind me of Chaurus pincers. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:56, 26 September 2012 (EDT) | ||
:It seems to me that the Flood wouldn't need to stick to one model of combat form: the Flood Super Cell is able to mimic any organ it might need. A proto-graveming might have just decided to use these forms to determine the most effective configuration; furthermore, SPARTANS are much more resilient than most any other sapient so far encountered: the Flood might not have been able too, say, break their bones to reform the bodies more extensively and a Proto-Gravemind might have elected to leverage the enhancements of the SPARTANS for all they were worth. For your consideration, --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 18:13, 26 September 2012 (EDT) | :It seems to me that the Flood wouldn't need to stick to one model of combat form: the Flood Super Cell is able to mimic any organ it might need. A proto-graveming might have just decided to use these forms to determine the most effective configuration; furthermore, SPARTANS are much more resilient than most any other sapient so far encountered: the Flood might not have been able too, say, break their bones to reform the bodies more extensively and a Proto-Gravemind might have elected to leverage the enhancements of the SPARTANS for all they were worth. For your consideration, --[[User talk:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] 18:13, 26 September 2012 (EDT) | ||
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:The Flood on Shield World 0459 repurposed at least three indigenous creatures. The [[Flood thrasher form|thrashers]] were rhino-like combat forms, the [[Flood swarm|swarms]] were akin to flying stalker forms, and the [[Flood bomber form|bombers]] were airborne carrier forms. I imagine that the Flood use most non- and semi-sentient beings for biomass but convert useful ones for use "in the field", so to speak. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 12:28, 16 June 2014 (EDT) | :The Flood on Shield World 0459 repurposed at least three indigenous creatures. The [[Flood thrasher form|thrashers]] were rhino-like combat forms, the [[Flood swarm|swarms]] were akin to flying stalker forms, and the [[Flood bomber form|bombers]] were airborne carrier forms. I imagine that the Flood use most non- and semi-sentient beings for biomass but convert useful ones for use "in the field", so to speak. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 12:28, 16 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
::As I'm aware, the only advantage that the use of ''sentient'' biomass confers is the additional "processing power" of the Gravemind that gets built to manage it, and the useful experience and memories that the Flood can repurpose. Otherwise, all biomass is fair game - which makes the current explanation of how the Halos work - by killing ''only'' sentient organisms and letting the Flood starve themselves - make little sense to me. You'd still have planets overrun by Flood, now uninhibited by a sentient Gravemind and basically feral, waiting for sentient spacefaring species to stumble upon them. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[ | ::As I'm aware, the only advantage that the use of ''sentient'' biomass confers is the additional "processing power" of the Gravemind that gets built to manage it, and the useful experience and memories that the Flood can repurpose. Otherwise, all biomass is fair game - which makes the current explanation of how the Halos work - by killing ''only'' sentient organisms and letting the Flood starve themselves - make little sense to me. You'd still have planets overrun by Flood, now uninhibited by a sentient Gravemind and basically feral, waiting for sentient spacefaring species to stumble upon them. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:06, 16 June 2014 (EDT) | ||